Helicopter industry in China
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New Chinese Air Ambulance
Best you don't have an accident/heart attack on your next holiday in China
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...ent_605505.htm
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...ent_605505.htm
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From: Canada
No problem.
You just carry the patient in a stretcher outside the cabin: http://helicoptermuseum.org/Aircraft...helicopterID=7
You just carry the patient in a stretcher outside the cabin: http://helicoptermuseum.org/Aircraft...helicopterID=7
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From: UK
Originally Posted by rotornut
No problem. You just carry the patient in a stretcher outside the cabin:
Hmmm, this sounds like a mission for Captain Hollywood and his amazing R88!
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From: yorkshire uk
when the patient sees a robbo coming to pick him up i suspect he may suddenly feel a whole lot better....and drive himself to hospital !!!
Moral of the story. drive VERY carefully if you are in China.
Moral of the story. drive VERY carefully if you are in China.
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From: Waltham Abbey, Essex, UK
Without Robbo bashing and no matter how short and thin the average Chinese national and guess that its not about 'swoop and scoop' at all.
Much more sensible is that they will deliver a doctor or team to the patient until they later get their mentioned larger helicopter. Just like London Virgin when the MD900 is offline and an AS355 is in use.
Much more sensible is that they will deliver a doctor or team to the patient until they later get their mentioned larger helicopter. Just like London Virgin when the MD900 is offline and an AS355 is in use.
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From: Germany
There is an R44 up in Kessin in Germany which gets used for just that purpose. The crew consists of a pilot, a doctor and a paramedic, and the idea behind the operation is to get medical help to the patient as quickly as possible.
See:
R44 EMS in Kessin
R44 EMS in Kessin
See:
R44 EMS in Kessin
R44 EMS in Kessin
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From: yorkshire uk
Please can we stay on topic. Oh yes, Robbo bashing .
No to be fair it is a developing country and beggars cant be choosers AND they have got loads of child labour to wind the band up between flights
No to be fair it is a developing country and beggars cant be choosers AND they have got loads of child labour to wind the band up between flights
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From: UK
The Bell47 saved hundreds of lives in nam so why wouldn't a 44 do the same in China? CofG wouldn't be too bad if the stretcher was on the port side and crew were on starboard - If I had the choice of being air lifted in a remote region for a few mins and saving my life V a long trip by road in a Chinese built ambulance, it would be a no brainer.
The idea of getting a paramedic & doctor out quickly would work well in parts of the UK as well, parts of Wales and Scotland take hours by road but minutes by air and a 44 is a very cost affective way of getting emergency help there quickly, with the low operating costs of a 44 compared to any turbine most remote hospitals could probably afford one.
(Then think of all those extra cpl(h)'s that would be needed!)
The idea of getting a paramedic & doctor out quickly would work well in parts of the UK as well, parts of Wales and Scotland take hours by road but minutes by air and a 44 is a very cost affective way of getting emergency help there quickly, with the low operating costs of a 44 compared to any turbine most remote hospitals could probably afford one.
(Then think of all those extra cpl(h)'s that would be needed!)
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From: Canada
Helis in China
Just checked out a job site (www.climbto350.com) and was surprised how many airline jobs are being offerred in China.
Any idea how much heli flying is going on in China? Business must be exploding in the next couple of years for chopper operators I would guess...
any thoughts?
Any idea how much heli flying is going on in China? Business must be exploding in the next couple of years for chopper operators I would guess...
any thoughts?
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flyheli
You are certainly correct about this one.
World trade journals suggest China has ordered about 1,000 airliners to be delivered in the decade or so. Reason is at present 25% of world airline traffic occurs in Asia and China’s economy is growing at four times the average western nation.
It is anticipated that in the next five years the world rankings in economic powers will be 1. USA; 2. China, 3. Japan; 4. India and 5. Europe.
So what is the problem for the Chinese?
Training gurus have indicated that all the Chinese flight schools and their colleges established overseas, such as the two large ones in Western Australia, can only supply 80% of the aircrew needed. It is assumed they will call upon the shrinking pool of international aircrew.
Now what has this got to do with helicopters?
Until recently China had no general aviation industry or private ownership. Today, GA is struggling to catch up – demand far exceeds supply (of qualified people). The first privately owned aircraft in China was a Robinson R44, according to the media.
Government sources state that they would like to see the existing civilian fleet of 260 grow to 3,000 in ten years. Mainly to establish SAR and HEMS services.
China’s neighbours have very large fleets, Japan has a large mainly turbine fleet, Australia in now about sixth in the world in ownership (1,330) and New Zealand ranks in the top ten (650). So China’s 260 is relatively small.
Thailand and Malaysia have less than 100 each, mainly used in off shore oil type work. India has about 300 helicopters, of which 50% are light piston, according to one source.
India and China have relatively large military helicopter resources, at a wild guess 400 – 600 respectively. (Hard to get info). Both India and China have the capacity to provide some ex-military people to the civilian industry – but one bureaucratic hurdle slows them down, the licensing of ex-military drivers (and engineers) needs a lot of work.
China’s helicopter GA - small today - big tomorrow?
Several international companies have established manufacturing facilities in China and these are coming on line, and local designs are now appearing.
The dark over-arching shadow. The Asian (Chinese) vigorous airline expansion means they will attract pilots who otherwise would have become helicopter drivers – look at the money differences! But the biggest pain is their capability to steal helicopter engineers, already an endangered species.
So where will the help come from. My travels and chatting over the odd beer suggests that the Middle Eastern cashed up flying schools (some to be established) have the best motivation and energy to address this problem. A lot of these organisations have British or French mentors.
Can anyone update these figures; they are becoming a little rusty. For example, what if the fleet size in Japan?
You are certainly correct about this one.
World trade journals suggest China has ordered about 1,000 airliners to be delivered in the decade or so. Reason is at present 25% of world airline traffic occurs in Asia and China’s economy is growing at four times the average western nation.
It is anticipated that in the next five years the world rankings in economic powers will be 1. USA; 2. China, 3. Japan; 4. India and 5. Europe.
So what is the problem for the Chinese?
Training gurus have indicated that all the Chinese flight schools and their colleges established overseas, such as the two large ones in Western Australia, can only supply 80% of the aircrew needed. It is assumed they will call upon the shrinking pool of international aircrew.
Now what has this got to do with helicopters?
Until recently China had no general aviation industry or private ownership. Today, GA is struggling to catch up – demand far exceeds supply (of qualified people). The first privately owned aircraft in China was a Robinson R44, according to the media.
Government sources state that they would like to see the existing civilian fleet of 260 grow to 3,000 in ten years. Mainly to establish SAR and HEMS services.
China’s neighbours have very large fleets, Japan has a large mainly turbine fleet, Australia in now about sixth in the world in ownership (1,330) and New Zealand ranks in the top ten (650). So China’s 260 is relatively small.
Thailand and Malaysia have less than 100 each, mainly used in off shore oil type work. India has about 300 helicopters, of which 50% are light piston, according to one source.
India and China have relatively large military helicopter resources, at a wild guess 400 – 600 respectively. (Hard to get info). Both India and China have the capacity to provide some ex-military people to the civilian industry – but one bureaucratic hurdle slows them down, the licensing of ex-military drivers (and engineers) needs a lot of work.
China’s helicopter GA - small today - big tomorrow?
Several international companies have established manufacturing facilities in China and these are coming on line, and local designs are now appearing.
The dark over-arching shadow. The Asian (Chinese) vigorous airline expansion means they will attract pilots who otherwise would have become helicopter drivers – look at the money differences! But the biggest pain is their capability to steal helicopter engineers, already an endangered species.
So where will the help come from. My travels and chatting over the odd beer suggests that the Middle Eastern cashed up flying schools (some to be established) have the best motivation and energy to address this problem. A lot of these organisations have British or French mentors.
Can anyone update these figures; they are becoming a little rusty. For example, what if the fleet size in Japan?
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From: South of the North Pole
This is merely another example of the Chinese surge which will push the US off it's "World's #1 economy" status. India is also in the ascendancy for #2 spot.... both have population of a BILLION or more.
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Chiense air force carries out first night training operations
Helicopters from the Chinese Air Force have taken part in what is being reported as their first ever night time training exercise.
The exercise took place yesterday July 22 at an airport in Lhasa, capital of southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region.
The helicopters used were Chinese Air Force (PLA) Mi-17.
news.xinhuanet.com
The exercise took place yesterday July 22 at an airport in Lhasa, capital of southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region.
The helicopters used were Chinese Air Force (PLA) Mi-17.
news.xinhuanet.com
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Chinese Helicopter Smuggling
The first case of helicopter smuggling has been recorded in Xiamen City in southeast China's Fujian province. The case is now transferred to the local procuratorate, Xiamen Daily reports.
The smuggling operation was discovered earlier this year after local Quanzhou Customs carried out critical inspections of a company in Xiamen importing 28 containers of goods. Customs officers found a helicopter cabin inside one of the containers. A Hong Kong resident surnamed Yao was found to be the suspected smuggler.
The smuggling operation was discovered earlier this year after local Quanzhou Customs carried out critical inspections of a company in Xiamen importing 28 containers of goods. Customs officers found a helicopter cabin inside one of the containers. A Hong Kong resident surnamed Yao was found to be the suspected smuggler.
Helicopter Smuggling Case Exposed in Xiamen
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GKN to supply emergency flotation for Chinese AC313 helicopter
ADS Advance - GKN supplies emergency flotation for AC313 helicopter
GKN Aerospace has been awarded a contract by the Jiangxi Changhe Aviation Industry Co. Ltd to supply the emergency flotation system (EFS) for the Avicopter AC313, which is the largest civilian helicopter ever developed in China.
The new EFS will give the AC313 helicopter increased survivability in the water as the system will provide flotation up to sea state 5 - ie rough seas with waves from 2.5 - 4 metres high. This will expand the mission potential of the helicopter, increasing its applicability for use in over-water missions such as search and rescue, maritime surveillance and oil and gas industry transportation. The EFS will incorporate GKN Aerospace’s new non-explosive emergency inflation technology which will lower system weight, reduce life cycle costs and increase performance reliability.
GKN Aerospace will make first delivery of a prototype EFS in 2014 and will deliver a fully certified system before end -2014.
The new EFS will give the AC313 helicopter increased survivability in the water as the system will provide flotation up to sea state 5 - ie rough seas with waves from 2.5 - 4 metres high. This will expand the mission potential of the helicopter, increasing its applicability for use in over-water missions such as search and rescue, maritime surveillance and oil and gas industry transportation. The EFS will incorporate GKN Aerospace’s new non-explosive emergency inflation technology which will lower system weight, reduce life cycle costs and increase performance reliability.
GKN Aerospace will make first delivery of a prototype EFS in 2014 and will deliver a fully certified system before end -2014.
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Rescue off coast of Qingdao in East China Sea
QINGDAO, Aug. 10 -- Rescuers have retrieved two bodies and are still searching nine others who went missing after their fishing vessel capsized in sea waters off east China's Shandong Province on Saturday morning, local authorities said.
The boat, "Luchengyu60326", turned upside down at about 8:25 a.m. Saturday in waters 12 nautical miles southwest of the Chaolian Island of Qingdao, according to the provincial maritime bureau.
Two dead, 9 missing after Chinese boat capsizes-Eastday
China's North Sea rescue helicopter is dispatched to save an overturned fishing ship in the Qingdao sea areas, east China's Shandong Province, Aug. 10, 2013. One dead and other 10 missing were reported in the accident so far.
Photo of the overturned boat.
Air sea rescue crew.
China's north sea rescue aerocade saves overturned fishing ship in Qingdao - Xinhua | English.news.cn
QINGDAO, Aug. 10 -- Rescuers have retrieved two bodies and are still searching nine others who went missing after their fishing vessel capsized in sea waters off east China's Shandong Province on Saturday morning, local authorities said.
The boat, "Luchengyu60326", turned upside down at about 8:25 a.m. Saturday in waters 12 nautical miles southwest of the Chaolian Island of Qingdao, according to the provincial maritime bureau.
Two dead, 9 missing after Chinese boat capsizes-Eastday
China's North Sea rescue helicopter is dispatched to save an overturned fishing ship in the Qingdao sea areas, east China's Shandong Province, Aug. 10, 2013. One dead and other 10 missing were reported in the accident so far.
Photo of the overturned boat.
Air sea rescue crew.
China's north sea rescue aerocade saves overturned fishing ship in Qingdao - Xinhua | English.news.cn