Helicopter rescues dominate news of "Katrina"
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Shots fired at helicopter in N. O.
Shots halt hurricane evacuation
The evacuation of stranded hurricane victims from New Orleans' Superdome stadium has been suspended after shots were fired at a rescue helicopter.
A spokesman for the Louisiana ambulance service told the BBC the crowd had grown unruly and he was concerned for the safety of his staff.
He said a national guard had been shot, but he had not been seriously injured.
There are widespread reports of looting in flood-stricken New Orleans. The mayor has ordered a full evacuation.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...as/4205074.stm
The evacuation of stranded hurricane victims from New Orleans' Superdome stadium has been suspended after shots were fired at a rescue helicopter.
A spokesman for the Louisiana ambulance service told the BBC the crowd had grown unruly and he was concerned for the safety of his staff.
He said a national guard had been shot, but he had not been seriously injured.
There are widespread reports of looting in flood-stricken New Orleans. The mayor has ordered a full evacuation.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...as/4205074.stm
Simon....
I will be polite here....really.
What difference is there between a family that evacuated....and return to find a vacant lot where they home once stood and an Indonesian family that lost everything in the Tsunami?
Since when does one turn a completely blind eye to the genuine misery this storm caused to millions of people that did evacuate...or stayed as a result of being needed for emergency services and lost everything as well?
Do you think all of the injury, financial loss, homelessness only occurred to those that ignored the order to evacuate?
Do you think there were lots of invalids...critically ill....and others that could not evacuate or could not be evacuated?
Simon, I agree with you to a degree about living below sea level and ignoring the order to evacuate....and hold little mercy for them that did that. I also believe anyone caught looting for personal gain vice survival should be shot on the spot by the police or National Guard.
Simon, you made a blanket statement and thereby showed your ignorance of the situation or worse your lack of commonsense.
Yes...I believe the EU has an obligation to assist Americans just as they did Indonesians....afterall it is the Christian thing to do as well as the Muslim thing too....helping the needy.
I will be polite here....really.
What difference is there between a family that evacuated....and return to find a vacant lot where they home once stood and an Indonesian family that lost everything in the Tsunami?
Since when does one turn a completely blind eye to the genuine misery this storm caused to millions of people that did evacuate...or stayed as a result of being needed for emergency services and lost everything as well?
Do you think all of the injury, financial loss, homelessness only occurred to those that ignored the order to evacuate?
Do you think there were lots of invalids...critically ill....and others that could not evacuate or could not be evacuated?
Simon, I agree with you to a degree about living below sea level and ignoring the order to evacuate....and hold little mercy for them that did that. I also believe anyone caught looting for personal gain vice survival should be shot on the spot by the police or National Guard.
Simon, you made a blanket statement and thereby showed your ignorance of the situation or worse your lack of commonsense.
Yes...I believe the EU has an obligation to assist Americans just as they did Indonesians....afterall it is the Christian thing to do as well as the Muslim thing too....helping the needy.
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From Yahoo news...
HELICOPTER SHOOTING
But the operation was put on hold when shots were fired at Chinook military helicopters being used to transport the evacuees, a local official said in Texas.
"We were told they are shooting at Chinook helicopters and the operation has been put on hold until daylight," said Gloria Roemer, spokeswoman for Harris County Judge Robert Eckels, who has been involved in the evacuation.
But the operation was put on hold when shots were fired at Chinook military helicopters being used to transport the evacuees, a local official said in Texas.
"We were told they are shooting at Chinook helicopters and the operation has been put on hold until daylight," said Gloria Roemer, spokeswoman for Harris County Judge Robert Eckels, who has been involved in the evacuation.
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Simon, you made a blanket statement and thereby showed your ignorance of the situation or worse your lack of commonsense.
We're all not gushing to offer money, simply because money isn't what's needed. As a member of the public I don't have stockpiles of antibiotics, long-life food ration kits, spare oil tankers, etc. But I'm sure where help is required in these matters it will be provided. It just doesn't require the news media to beg for it.
Sorry if I appeared a bit arsey. It just bugs me that people are using the two tragedies to try and fuel their own political agendas.
But, this forum's not for politics, so before I get caned for abuse of the charter I'll stop now.
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To be honest, I don't really want any Euro or other external support. This is a tragedy we can survive within our own means. The next tsunami hits, we should send our condolences. Charity however begins at home. There are parts of the US that are quite poor and money that would otherwise flow overseas should be spend in our borders, now and after any similar event. When the US is truly the country of means that many external to her think we are now, then and only then should we look outside our borders.
If you have money...send it to a known, credible relief agency....that money might buy someone some food...water...a change of clothes... transport to a safe refuge....maybe even facilitate the building of a refuge for the homeless.
Don't just sit there on yer butt and preach.....do something....just as you urged people to do during the Tsunami.
By the way....last time I checked...Tsunami's have occurred in the past...thus anyone living near the shore is at risk....maybe they should have picked somewhere else to park their fishing boats.
Saying the many brought this upon themselves is a foolish statement. Some behaved in a foolish manner no doubt...but they are a very small proportion of those made homeless. Even then...they are still homeless none the less.
Don't just sit there on yer butt and preach.....do something....just as you urged people to do during the Tsunami.
By the way....last time I checked...Tsunami's have occurred in the past...thus anyone living near the shore is at risk....maybe they should have picked somewhere else to park their fishing boats.
Saying the many brought this upon themselves is a foolish statement. Some behaved in a foolish manner no doubt...but they are a very small proportion of those made homeless. Even then...they are still homeless none the less.
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Rotorheads in the UK: the Tonight With Trevor McDonald program is rushing a prog into production for Friday night (2nd Sept) at 8pm on ITV. (I can tell you how I know but then I'd have to kill you.) In the rushes are several clips of a Coastguard Sikorsky rescuing a chap. Unlike the usual down, splash, strop, up, the winchman first has to hack through the roof of his house to get to him. I know - how did they realise he was there?
Excellent tracking shots of the Sikorsky throughout.
Excellent tracking shots of the Sikorsky throughout.
Steve76,
If we accept your position as stated....then...no foreign aid to the African continent is in order. Their corrupt and inept governments led to the situation they are facing then I guess. Mad Bob and his farmland exchange for example....thus all the starving folks there are not the world's concern according to your logic.
The Aids crisis in Africa again is not the World's problem....after all all the governments there had to do is issue condoms, enact laws forbidding unprotected sex and thus the Aids victims are on their own if we use your logic.
The refugees that are flocking to the UK....again...not the world's problems...afterall it was their government that let them down, right?
Which position will a Liberal ever cling to.....without hopping about on both sides of the fence when discussing an issue?
I guess you are the kind of guy that would drive by a stranded motorist with a disabled vehicle on a cold wet rainy night.....and think he should have maintained his car better.
If we accept your position as stated....then...no foreign aid to the African continent is in order. Their corrupt and inept governments led to the situation they are facing then I guess. Mad Bob and his farmland exchange for example....thus all the starving folks there are not the world's concern according to your logic.
The Aids crisis in Africa again is not the World's problem....after all all the governments there had to do is issue condoms, enact laws forbidding unprotected sex and thus the Aids victims are on their own if we use your logic.
The refugees that are flocking to the UK....again...not the world's problems...afterall it was their government that let them down, right?
Which position will a Liberal ever cling to.....without hopping about on both sides of the fence when discussing an issue?
I guess you are the kind of guy that would drive by a stranded motorist with a disabled vehicle on a cold wet rainy night.....and think he should have maintained his car better.
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>>There are widespread reports of looting in flood-stricken New Orleans.
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"...At the flooded Charity Hospital, armed looters forced doctors to give up narcotics, and at area Wal-Marts, thieves cleared the shelves of guns and ammunition. One man was forced to give up his car to a machete-wielding assailant.
"They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas — hotels, hospitals — and we're going to stop it right now," New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin said, according to a Los Angeles Times report. One gang of looters attacked a state police truck carrying food, and there were even reports of city officials taking computer equipment from a Home Depot."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/150...headlines=true
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"...At the flooded Charity Hospital, armed looters forced doctors to give up narcotics, and at area Wal-Marts, thieves cleared the shelves of guns and ammunition. One man was forced to give up his car to a machete-wielding assailant.
"They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas — hotels, hospitals — and we're going to stop it right now," New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin said, according to a Los Angeles Times report. One gang of looters attacked a state police truck carrying food, and there were even reports of city officials taking computer equipment from a Home Depot."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/150...headlines=true
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1. Any funds contributed to relief efforts would go to just that. Not to the government. It would go to helping the people that are in need. The bulk of those affected the most are also the poorest. You're absolutely not wrong to keep your wallet in your pocket, but please don't feel ill will toward the victims.
2. Personally, I make no comparison between the tsunami and the damage inflicted by Katrina. The devestation of the tsunami is incomprehensible in my mind with hundreds of thousands of lives lost. While it's horrible that a lot of people died because of Katrina it's nowhere near the havoc wreaked by the tsunami. But if you lost even one loved one by Katrina the weight would be just as heavy.
3. I too do not understand why most of the areas in the Gulf were not better prepared for more than a Cat 3 storm. But that's certainly not my area of expertise and I'm curious of the news coverage that will result on the topic soon. No doubt they'll rebuild with more solidity.
I also fail to understand how so many of our refineries can be so exposed, and were not better located (i.e. not concentrated so much in one area). I'm hesitant to write this because U.S. bashing is common here and there are those that will think my biggest concern is that I'm now paying twice the price for gas than I was 2 months ago. I assure you that's absolutely not my top concern. I work for an insurance company that has sent a tremendous team to the storm areas trying to help with relief efforts and relocation and top on my mind is helping those that lost everything.
4. As for the looting, fires, and shots being taken at helicopters, I have no sympathy for those people. They're hurting their neighbors. While the looting is hard to justify, one thing to keep in mind is that these are the poorest, most uneducated people in our country and they don't have much to lose if they're caught. After all, most of the law enforcement are preoccupied helping others and not as concerned with petty crimes. It doesn't justify it, but that's the way I see it.
5. These victims and their familys and the aid workers are in my prayers. I was proud of my 4 year old boy last night when I asked him to say his prayers and he thought to include them.
2. Personally, I make no comparison between the tsunami and the damage inflicted by Katrina. The devestation of the tsunami is incomprehensible in my mind with hundreds of thousands of lives lost. While it's horrible that a lot of people died because of Katrina it's nowhere near the havoc wreaked by the tsunami. But if you lost even one loved one by Katrina the weight would be just as heavy.
3. I too do not understand why most of the areas in the Gulf were not better prepared for more than a Cat 3 storm. But that's certainly not my area of expertise and I'm curious of the news coverage that will result on the topic soon. No doubt they'll rebuild with more solidity.
I also fail to understand how so many of our refineries can be so exposed, and were not better located (i.e. not concentrated so much in one area). I'm hesitant to write this because U.S. bashing is common here and there are those that will think my biggest concern is that I'm now paying twice the price for gas than I was 2 months ago. I assure you that's absolutely not my top concern. I work for an insurance company that has sent a tremendous team to the storm areas trying to help with relief efforts and relocation and top on my mind is helping those that lost everything.
4. As for the looting, fires, and shots being taken at helicopters, I have no sympathy for those people. They're hurting their neighbors. While the looting is hard to justify, one thing to keep in mind is that these are the poorest, most uneducated people in our country and they don't have much to lose if they're caught. After all, most of the law enforcement are preoccupied helping others and not as concerned with petty crimes. It doesn't justify it, but that's the way I see it.
5. These victims and their familys and the aid workers are in my prayers. I was proud of my 4 year old boy last night when I asked him to say his prayers and he thought to include them.
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several clips of a Coastguard Sikorsky rescuing a chap. Unlike the usual down, splash, strop, up, the winchman first has to hack through the roof of his house to get to him.
Also saw some footage of a Blackhawk blowing a load of roofing tiles off while winching somebody in. Would that constitute a serious threat to the aircraft's safety? They looked like felt tiles and were really getting thrown up. (From the angle I couldn't determine the distance from the aircraft to the roof, but it looked quite close.)
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@ SASless:
First of all, I'm not Steve so don't blame him for my viewpoints. He may even agree with you ;-)
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S76Heavy, I deleted your several inflammatory posts, and left this one to be sure you get the message. If you cannot stop the political comment, go somewhere else.
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First of all, I'm not Steve so don't blame him for my viewpoints. He may even agree with you ;-)
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S76Heavy, I deleted your several inflammatory posts, and left this one to be sure you get the message. If you cannot stop the political comment, go somewhere else.
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Moosp,
Joe and Mary Sheeran are in Jackson Ms., alive, well and kicking.
There was severe damage to their hangar in Ocean Springs-front
door caved in, roof blown off, probable loss of 2 ships. Joe and
some of his guys ferried 10 or 11 ships to a hangar in Jackson. I
will be speaking with them this afternoon if you need any messages relayed.
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Joe and Mary Sheeran are in Jackson Ms., alive, well and kicking.
There was severe damage to their hangar in Ocean Springs-front
door caved in, roof blown off, probable loss of 2 ships. Joe and
some of his guys ferried 10 or 11 ships to a hangar in Jackson. I
will be speaking with them this afternoon if you need any messages relayed.
S76- F*&K you....slur removed by PedalStop !!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree, 3 Romeo Mike the last comment in your post is totally out of order. I do appreciate that emotions are running high, especially if you are directly affected but it still does not warrant abuse.
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Get this thread under control PPruners
This is the second thread where I have had to waste considerable time chopping the rhetoric. This is a rotorcraft site, not a political flame pit, and I have far better things to do with my time.
Many good thoughts, questions and observations are being drowned out by the political posturing (on both sides, frankly) that has no place in this forum. Pprune citizens control this site when they hit "Enter." Please use restraint.
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Many good thoughts, questions and observations are being drowned out by the political posturing (on both sides, frankly) that has no place in this forum. Pprune citizens control this site when they hit "Enter." Please use restraint.
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Dang, I didn't get to read the notes before they were deleted! I feel like the little boy whose parents covered his eyes just before the girl in the movie takes off her shirt.
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Just watching CNN and they report 75 helicopters airborne over New Orleans at the moment. FAA has placed NOTAMS over the city strictly for emergency aircraft only. All of the news networks have had to share footage from one ship to cut down on congestion. Looks like the Nat Gaurd and Coast Gaurd will be busy for a while yet.
This might be a really dumb question, but can the Coast Guard crewmembers carry M-16s etc, or a deer rifle, in order to defend themselves against the (Roadwarrior) criminals and psychos on the ground in some places? If not, why not? Can't the non-flying pilot have a chance aiming a gun, or are there not enough clear-view windows in the S-76 or Dauphin etc?
A Cobra gunship or Blackhawk might be effective if spotters can be certain where the bad guys are shooting from, and no other bystanders are there.
A Cobra gunship or Blackhawk might be effective if spotters can be certain where the bad guys are shooting from, and no other bystanders are there.