BHL Mega pay deal.............
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BHL Mega pay deal.............
Been told that the BHL pay review has been published by BALPA. Excellent all round and well received. What's the feeling by those 'On the ground' (probably due to fog!).
Are you pilot's/Aircrewmen happy? Do tell all, the rest of the industry is waiting for your reply.
[ 11 July 2001: Message edited by: NRDK ]
Are you pilot's/Aircrewmen happy? Do tell all, the rest of the industry is waiting for your reply.
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No good news for the pilots either. It's exactly what I expected shortsighted, tight fisted and basically insulting.
The troops on the ground are not happy and expected much better.
There go another five pilots fixed wing....
The troops on the ground are not happy and expected much better.
There go another five pilots fixed wing....
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Was this posting a management plant?
Happy???
You must be joking!!!!
If you deduct the original Aberdeen allowance and then add on b****r all, of course you can add up to over 10%. Also, don't forget the bu**ered Senior Captain thing which they hoped a man who had been in the Company for over 20 years wouldn't notice. A 10 year accountant with 1 year in helicopter breathing just will not work!!!
Get real Bristow!
Authentic rumour has it that; a first year narrow body jet thing captain gets more than a 25 year seniority helicopter captain in Bristow. Just makes those awful decision making things at 200' in a rubber suit worthwhile, doesn't it???
Go for the 40% Chaps! It'll take us close to the narrow boddy fix-wing salary!
[ 12 July 2001: Message edited by: distingsok ]
Happy???
You must be joking!!!!
If you deduct the original Aberdeen allowance and then add on b****r all, of course you can add up to over 10%. Also, don't forget the bu**ered Senior Captain thing which they hoped a man who had been in the Company for over 20 years wouldn't notice. A 10 year accountant with 1 year in helicopter breathing just will not work!!!
Get real Bristow!
Authentic rumour has it that; a first year narrow body jet thing captain gets more than a 25 year seniority helicopter captain in Bristow. Just makes those awful decision making things at 200' in a rubber suit worthwhile, doesn't it???
Go for the 40% Chaps! It'll take us close to the narrow boddy fix-wing salary!
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Stop slagging us off. If you are not happy with your lot, having a go at pilots won't help you. If you want the same advantages, then learn to fly. This is a pilot forum and any constructive comments by all parties are welcome. I would not qualify your comments on pprune as constructive. Why do't you vent your frustrations elsewhere.
Stop slagging us off. If you are not happy with your lot, having a go at pilots won't help you. If you want the same advantages, then learn to fly. This is a pilot forum and any constructive comments by all parties are welcome. I would not qualify your comments on pprune as constructive. Why do't you vent your frustrations elsewhere.
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Truth be known this was no management plant (wish it was; know how much those fat cats get in allowances and share options) Alas, the fat sh*fting from behind has seen a 1.92% overall proposed salary increase for me. So yes I share the same anger and disbelief that this insult was even entertained by BALPA. The obvious clever use of mirrors and hidden wires by Company management may have blinkered our negotiating team, but those of us grubbing around on foggy days can see the 'numbers on the dials'. The offer is already on the table, so there is nothing to lose by flicking the finger at this p*ss take and going for more (40% minimum?) after all, 'they can hardly offer less: that would be a pay drop! (Perhaps they think we won't notice?). We have the power to play for more, vote NO, Prepared to take industrial action!.
No doubt old 'love hertz' will take a crack, but what would you expect from a bunch hoodwinked into accepting this sort of 'Magic' pay award illusion.
Truth be known this was no management plant (wish it was; know how much those fat cats get in allowances and share options) Alas, the fat sh*fting from behind has seen a 1.92% overall proposed salary increase for me. So yes I share the same anger and disbelief that this insult was even entertained by BALPA. The obvious clever use of mirrors and hidden wires by Company management may have blinkered our negotiating team, but those of us grubbing around on foggy days can see the 'numbers on the dials'. The offer is already on the table, so there is nothing to lose by flicking the finger at this p*ss take and going for more (40% minimum?) after all, 'they can hardly offer less: that would be a pay drop! (Perhaps they think we won't notice?). We have the power to play for more, vote NO, Prepared to take industrial action!.
No doubt old 'love hertz' will take a crack, but what would you expect from a bunch hoodwinked into accepting this sort of 'Magic' pay award illusion.
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Ouch! I never knew you guys were so touchy. Guess things will be OK when you get your own forum where you can stroke each other's egos in peace and quiet.
Can I get 20% if you guys get 40%? I thought that it was all done and dusted anyway.
Can I get 20% if you guys get 40%? I thought that it was all done and dusted anyway.
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What a bunch of arse !
I can't believe that BHL thought we would be happy with that pay deal.
I think the oil companys have to do a few sums......How much would it cost them to throw a wad of money at the helicopter operators to finance a decent pay rise (40%) compared to lost production if we go on strike ?.....Go figure.
And Guys,don't get too worked up about what 400 SPERTZ is saying .He's probably just grumpy because his boiler suit is too tight.
I can't believe that BHL thought we would be happy with that pay deal.
I think the oil companys have to do a few sums......How much would it cost them to throw a wad of money at the helicopter operators to finance a decent pay rise (40%) compared to lost production if we go on strike ?.....Go figure.
And Guys,don't get too worked up about what 400 SPERTZ is saying .He's probably just grumpy because his boiler suit is too tight.
When can we finally agree that BALPA isn't worth the money we're paying. We all came up with good intentions to leave it if the pay review was poor and here we are still. The talk we got at the Thistle from our Chief Negotiator was laughable and yet we continue to vote on a pay review that should have been thrown out long before we got to see it.
I appreciate the intentions of BALPA representatives are good but what we need is a company council - The 'benefits' we accrue belonging to this prestigeous (?) union are not worth the money we're paying.
Don't vote with the ballot paper - Vote with your feet. I'm too old and crusty with too big a pension to lose to walk across the road, but I'm damn sure going to cause as much trouble as I can. They rely on us for a lot of goodwill and if the mood is as I see it, there are going to be a lot more flights going un-crewed over the following months. Legitimate working to rule will certainly cause the loss of a few flights and maybe that pressure on both Bristow, Scotia and most importantly, the oil companies must pay dividends.
Failing that, I think there's a bug going around. I'm feeling poorly - Anyone else ???
[ 13 July 2001: Message edited by: Special 25 ]
I appreciate the intentions of BALPA representatives are good but what we need is a company council - The 'benefits' we accrue belonging to this prestigeous (?) union are not worth the money we're paying.
Don't vote with the ballot paper - Vote with your feet. I'm too old and crusty with too big a pension to lose to walk across the road, but I'm damn sure going to cause as much trouble as I can. They rely on us for a lot of goodwill and if the mood is as I see it, there are going to be a lot more flights going un-crewed over the following months. Legitimate working to rule will certainly cause the loss of a few flights and maybe that pressure on both Bristow, Scotia and most importantly, the oil companies must pay dividends.
Failing that, I think there's a bug going around. I'm feeling poorly - Anyone else ???
[ 13 July 2001: Message edited by: Special 25 ]
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Diffng is right, until you lot on the west side are ALL prepared to stand up to your management and not do overtime, (I presume it's voluntary as it is for us at Scotia), and talk seriously about industrial action, you will get nowhere. At the moment you have a very big stick, SO WAVE IT ABOUT A BIT, then people will listen.
One small point, as overtime is voluntary, an official overtime ban is not possible. Remember, overtime is VOLUNTARY, you don't have to do it.
Get it together Gents, now is the time. A loud voice from both sides of the runway will make people listen.
Chopperman.
One small point, as overtime is voluntary, an official overtime ban is not possible. Remember, overtime is VOLUNTARY, you don't have to do it.
Get it together Gents, now is the time. A loud voice from both sides of the runway will make people listen.
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At a meeting held on the East side on the 12th. the Scotia management came up with the assertion that we ( Scotia pilots ) were percieved to be a difficult bunch. This is because overtime is purely voluntary, and suddenly nobody wanted to do any, with the inevitable result that flights were lost. That certainly focussed the management !
I feel it's about time that you lot on the west side took some action yourselves, instead of waiting to see what happens over on our side. Go on - seize the day !!!
I feel it's about time that you lot on the west side took some action yourselves, instead of waiting to see what happens over on our side. Go on - seize the day !!!
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400 Hertz:
Go and play with your spanners!
Special 25:
I understand your frustration with BALPA but without them we (BHL)are going no-where. No one has been more vociferous than me when speaking/communicating with our Balpa C.C. especially after the last 2 ballots which were, quite honestly, handled appallingly. However, we must hope that they have learned from the past mistakes and the signs are that they have. What they need now is our TOTAL support. When we all refuse this insult of a pay offer, our CC will have a lot more power to their elbow when they go back for round 2 talks. Read between the lines. "The Company Council has AGREED to recommend to its members". To me that suggests we didn't want to but this is the end of the road on round 1 of negotiations. Wording such as "we strongly recommend" again would be obvious.
Of course we must bother with the ballot paper. It is for that very reason last year that the CC accepted the 2000 pay offer. Lack of returned ballot papers left them as a toothless tiger. If we give them 100% return and a no vote they can go into the next meeting firing from the hips. You are quite right legitimate "working to rule" will hurt and we should ALL be doing it NOW. Sod the extra few hundred quid this month think about long term. Yes a Flu bug in the middle of summer could work wonders for our cause but for christ sake make it look legit because it is a dangerous path to tread.
Diffng/Chopperman: I couldn't agree more and believe me some of us are trying to encourage our colleagues down the safe path of "united we stand divided we fall". BALPA is the only organisation where we can unite with strength.
BHL Staff: Yes our union dues are expensive but let's give it our best shot this year. Believe me we CAN take on the oil companies and win. If your not in BALPA, join now. Make sure New Road know your address and vote no to this derisory offer.
Go and play with your spanners!
Special 25:
I understand your frustration with BALPA but without them we (BHL)are going no-where. No one has been more vociferous than me when speaking/communicating with our Balpa C.C. especially after the last 2 ballots which were, quite honestly, handled appallingly. However, we must hope that they have learned from the past mistakes and the signs are that they have. What they need now is our TOTAL support. When we all refuse this insult of a pay offer, our CC will have a lot more power to their elbow when they go back for round 2 talks. Read between the lines. "The Company Council has AGREED to recommend to its members". To me that suggests we didn't want to but this is the end of the road on round 1 of negotiations. Wording such as "we strongly recommend" again would be obvious.
Of course we must bother with the ballot paper. It is for that very reason last year that the CC accepted the 2000 pay offer. Lack of returned ballot papers left them as a toothless tiger. If we give them 100% return and a no vote they can go into the next meeting firing from the hips. You are quite right legitimate "working to rule" will hurt and we should ALL be doing it NOW. Sod the extra few hundred quid this month think about long term. Yes a Flu bug in the middle of summer could work wonders for our cause but for christ sake make it look legit because it is a dangerous path to tread.
Diffng/Chopperman: I couldn't agree more and believe me some of us are trying to encourage our colleagues down the safe path of "united we stand divided we fall". BALPA is the only organisation where we can unite with strength.
BHL Staff: Yes our union dues are expensive but let's give it our best shot this year. Believe me we CAN take on the oil companies and win. If your not in BALPA, join now. Make sure New Road know your address and vote no to this derisory offer.
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I've said this about Tuckunder before, 'he talks sense'. Those of you on the west side would be well advised to LISTEN TO HIM.
Some of you may think that Balpa is useless and that your CC is worthless. Well, they are, without your support that is. Don't moan about them, HELP THEM! If you all stand together and give them the ammunition they need then you have a chance of getting somewhere with your negotiations.
Tuckunder, keep at it, hopefully they will see the light.
Chopperman.
[ 13 July 2001: Message edited by: chopperman ]
Some of you may think that Balpa is useless and that your CC is worthless. Well, they are, without your support that is. Don't moan about them, HELP THEM! If you all stand together and give them the ammunition they need then you have a chance of getting somewhere with your negotiations.
Tuckunder, keep at it, hopefully they will see the light.
Chopperman.
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Tuckunder has got it right.We've got to back BALPA, they are only as strong as we make them.With regards to the BHL BALPA reps I'd just like to say thanks (especially to Dick)They have been telling us that we have to get together for years.......it's about time we wised up.
Don't forget guys, if we vote NO on this pay deal, there is only one other box to tick, and that's for the whole HOG. Otherwise we got to wind our necks in and suffer. East and west can stand together on this one and get THEM at the short and curlies.
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Tuckunder: I agree with much of what you say, but not your analysis of what the CC has said: "The Company Council has agreed to recommend to its members".
All the CC had to say was that is would agree to PRESENT the proposal to its members. If they RECOMMEND it, they are for it. And if they do not realise the difference between the two versions then they shouldn't be doing the job.
All the CC had to say was that is would agree to PRESENT the proposal to its members. If they RECOMMEND it, they are for it. And if they do not realise the difference between the two versions then they shouldn't be doing the job.