Is it worthwhile
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At present I am chasing my dream of eventually becoming a proffesional pilot.
I am currently working all the hours under the sun with two jobs( 60-70 Hour weeks) and have had to do some soul destructive job's, and i'm really just trying to get some feedback if it's going to be worthwhile or I chasing an horizon.
Also would be good to hear some storie's of how low some of you guy's have had to stoop and how eventually you got there.
Is the grass as green as it looks on the other side of the hill.
Cheers Goose Boy
I am currently working all the hours under the sun with two jobs( 60-70 Hour weeks) and have had to do some soul destructive job's, and i'm really just trying to get some feedback if it's going to be worthwhile or I chasing an horizon.
Also would be good to hear some storie's of how low some of you guy's have had to stoop and how eventually you got there.
Is the grass as green as it looks on the other side of the hill.
Cheers Goose Boy
Well now...depends upon which side of the hill you are looking from I reckon. Then as Bill Clinton would opine....depends upon what you mean by green, grass, and hill.
(Big fat ol' fish....circling about the bait....sniffing...eyeing....and swimming back to the lurking hole!)
(Big fat ol' fish....circling about the bait....sniffing...eyeing....and swimming back to the lurking hole!)
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I refused to stoop. It gives you back ache (but then again so does flying). Besides you can't earn enough stooping to pay for a career in aviation these days.
Is the grass greener? Life is what you make it. Some pilots love the grass on this side. Many can't stop moaning about how much they feel their grass has been s**t on.
Is the grass greener? Life is what you make it. Some pilots love the grass on this side. Many can't stop moaning about how much they feel their grass has been s**t on.
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Go for it ! Follow you heart and your dreams - these old grizzlys on here will try and install the realities in you with great vigour and pleasure ! Most of them didn't come up the civvy ladder anyway. It is tough and the road is seemingly never ending. Take a 3 to 5 year plan to be realistic if you're a working class minion, like myself. I never get bored in a heli, the noise, the vibration, the sheer danger and that thrilling little corner of my mind which is always ready for the donkey's demise ! Good luck !
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Everybody wonders the same thing I'm sure at some point in the struggle to get a license and get a start.
I spent 3 years working 2 & 3 jobs at a time to fund a commercial license. It took about a year of travelling the country and knocking on doors to get a break.
For me every day it was worth it. I don't feel like I've worked a day since I started in this industry. Would I do the same again ?? Most definately. I would just start earlier !!
I spent 3 years working 2 & 3 jobs at a time to fund a commercial license. It took about a year of travelling the country and knocking on doors to get a break.
For me every day it was worth it. I don't feel like I've worked a day since I started in this industry. Would I do the same again ?? Most definately. I would just start earlier !!
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I got crapped on from a great height a while back by the 'old grizzlies' for replying to a question like this positively, especially for suggesting that most of us would still carry on flying even if we won the lottery.
I still stand by my assessment that these are guys who did not pay for their own licences, have never tried an alternative boring office job or worse and don't know how lucky they are.
Still, a good while and many hours on, after a series of twelve hour days in a single engine helicopter flying over water with a leaking ferry tank, stinking and puking from Jet A-1 fumes, and then getting stuck in a rancid, decaying part of Africa for five days waiting for a clearance, I will admit to getting a little p'd off now and then.
However, I still get up happily the next day to go do it all again. At least it's not boring. I can't imagine a bunch of McDonald's workers or chartered accountants swopping crazy stories until 3am on many occasions.
Just know that it's not likely to be worth it financially unless you make it to the top in an airline. It's a question of what's most important to you.
I still stand by my assessment that these are guys who did not pay for their own licences, have never tried an alternative boring office job or worse and don't know how lucky they are.
Still, a good while and many hours on, after a series of twelve hour days in a single engine helicopter flying over water with a leaking ferry tank, stinking and puking from Jet A-1 fumes, and then getting stuck in a rancid, decaying part of Africa for five days waiting for a clearance, I will admit to getting a little p'd off now and then.
However, I still get up happily the next day to go do it all again. At least it's not boring. I can't imagine a bunch of McDonald's workers or chartered accountants swopping crazy stories until 3am on many occasions.
Just know that it's not likely to be worth it financially unless you make it to the top in an airline. It's a question of what's most important to you.
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chartered accountants swopping crazy stories until 3am
Although, it has to be said (and most of you on here will know) that I, too, am working towards a commercial licence. I have realisitc goals in that I expect to only work part time (guess what I'll be the rest of the time!!) and I don't expect to make a profit out of it.
But, as others have said, life's too short to have regrets and it's getting shorter each day!
All the best mate!
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Being in the same position as you i know exactly what you are going through. Keep your focus, keep to your plan and most of all dont let anyone put you off following your dream!
If you want it bad enough you will reach that elusive first job one day.
Happy flying and keep going! It will be worth it one day!!!
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If you want it bad enough you will reach that elusive first job one day.
Happy flying and keep going! It will be worth it one day!!!
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Is the grass greener?
Well, there is ONLY ONE WAY to find out - go there.
If it is or if it isn't ain't really the whole point I don't think. Having an answer (even if it's not the one you hoped for) is better than forever wondering what shade the grass might have been for you...
That's what I say until such point I feel any different. Which of course I may do in x years time. Who knows? Not me!
Well, there is ONLY ONE WAY to find out - go there.
If it is or if it isn't ain't really the whole point I don't think. Having an answer (even if it's not the one you hoped for) is better than forever wondering what shade the grass might have been for you...
That's what I say until such point I feel any different. Which of course I may do in x years time. Who knows? Not me!
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If you feel that you have the drive (and the ability/finances) to get you where you want to go - go get it and good luck. There are many older guys out there who are mil/ex-mil/never mil, you would be foolish not to listen to their advice, you just don't have to take it all, take only what you feel applies to you.
Once you get your first job as a pilot, being paid for having so much excitement, you will realise that it was worth it.
I don't know which "end of the market" this dicksplash is referring to but for as long as military organisations train thousands of handpicked students each year, there will be a high percentage of ex-mil pilots around. That is the way it is.
Once you get your first job as a pilot, being paid for having so much excitement, you will realise that it was worth it.
Don’t be distracted by the ex-military crowd. Most have an environmentally induced attitudinal defect that prohibits enter into this end of the market.
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The grass is greener for me, but there are many who started out at the same time as me who never got the chance to find out. All were are keen as me, all had the grit and determination to get there. But somehow very few of us made it.
Go for it, but don't get yourself into huge debt doing it - it can take a very long time to get a flying job that can support an x0,000 pound loan, and you'll be a very long time paying it off by stacking shelves.
Go for it, but don't get yourself into huge debt doing it - it can take a very long time to get a flying job that can support an x0,000 pound loan, and you'll be a very long time paying it off by stacking shelves.
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I recall one of my navex's with a landaway was from white waltham to old sarum and back
the flight had several features of note:-
1. I was basically lost from the moment I lifted both ways until I eventually arrived with considerable instructor help.
2. didnt understand a single word Boscombe down said to me, sounded like the ATC lady was in bed with a pillow over her face.
3.I flew like an arse, any old height, any old speed.
4. my instructor said on the outbound leg "do you know we are so far left of track I can actually see the sea"
(now the full gravity of this wont be apparent until you consult a chart !)
5. when we arrived my instructor said "that was interesting" (code for the worst navex he had ever seen)
As far as I could tell I had spent more than £400 and all I had to show for it was a massive reduction in confidence, serious doubt that this flying thing was going to work out, but I did acquire a very expensive Mars Bar at old sarum.
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CF
the flight had several features of note:-
1. I was basically lost from the moment I lifted both ways until I eventually arrived with considerable instructor help.
2. didnt understand a single word Boscombe down said to me, sounded like the ATC lady was in bed with a pillow over her face.
3.I flew like an arse, any old height, any old speed.
4. my instructor said on the outbound leg "do you know we are so far left of track I can actually see the sea"
(now the full gravity of this wont be apparent until you consult a chart !)
5. when we arrived my instructor said "that was interesting" (code for the worst navex he had ever seen)
As far as I could tell I had spent more than £400 and all I had to show for it was a massive reduction in confidence, serious doubt that this flying thing was going to work out, but I did acquire a very expensive Mars Bar at old sarum.
regards
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You should go for it, but be prepared for a very long hard road.
Also be prepared for the fact that whatever you have in your logbook will never be enough for what you want to do. Whether it be a lack of turbine time, mountain time, off airport landings etc, it's never enough.
I know of enough people (me included) that have worked hard and now do what they love to do. It just takes determination. Try not to put yourself in to financial hardship as was mentioned earlier. My old flight instructor took 8 years to gain his ratings as he flew once a month because he couldn't afford any more. He now flies 412's and 222's for an EMS company and is one of their instructor pilots.
As for stories which one? Probably my favourite from my training days was when I missed my intended airport by a mere 30 miles. My first solo cross country. Thank God for GPS now! I didn't realise that I was in the wrong place until I saw the airport name written on the hangar roof. That brought me down to earth a bit as I was sure that I was doing a great job.
Also be prepared for the fact that whatever you have in your logbook will never be enough for what you want to do. Whether it be a lack of turbine time, mountain time, off airport landings etc, it's never enough.
I know of enough people (me included) that have worked hard and now do what they love to do. It just takes determination. Try not to put yourself in to financial hardship as was mentioned earlier. My old flight instructor took 8 years to gain his ratings as he flew once a month because he couldn't afford any more. He now flies 412's and 222's for an EMS company and is one of their instructor pilots.
As for stories which one? Probably my favourite from my training days was when I missed my intended airport by a mere 30 miles. My first solo cross country. Thank God for GPS now! I didn't realise that I was in the wrong place until I saw the airport name written on the hangar roof. That brought me down to earth a bit as I was sure that I was doing a great job.