Helicopter lands on top of Mt. Everest
I saw the video on Discovery Channel and the interview with the pilot about 2 days after the event.
It was a toe-in and about one third of the skid was on the summit. You could see **** everywere up there so I assumed it was the Everest summit. It occured to me that with all the flags and garbage left up there that occaision for FOD would be a concern.
The video was from a tail mounted belly camera and it looked real to me.
Flying an Astar to that height and managing to accurately land it there is incredible. The risk was phenomenal. Who was coming to rescue you if you crash landed. It would be better and quicker to die in the wreck.
It was a toe-in and about one third of the skid was on the summit. You could see **** everywere up there so I assumed it was the Everest summit. It occured to me that with all the flags and garbage left up there that occaision for FOD would be a concern.
The video was from a tail mounted belly camera and it looked real to me.
Flying an Astar to that height and managing to accurately land it there is incredible. The risk was phenomenal. Who was coming to rescue you if you crash landed. It would be better and quicker to die in the wreck.
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Perhaps this denial is a result of the landing being carried out without Nepalese Government approval?
Why was the landing carried out in the first place? Perhaps not, as some suggest, because it was the greatest helicopter achievement of all time, but so that the achievement could be used for publicity and marketing purposes.
Perhaps the Nepalese Government's action is to try and nullify the commercial benefits of what to some in Kathmandu appears to have been a deliberate and deceitful act. (Somebody in the organizing team for this trial must have realized that they didn't have the Government approval they needed for the landing, so perhaps ‘deceitful’ is not too strong a word.)
Some of you will I appreciate now be reeling and screaming 'tall poppy syndrome', 'hidden agenda' and the like but think about it, why else is the host country denying this achievement?
It was Mr. Lappos in his post that linked the two words "arrogance" and "French" in the same sentence, not me! If another manufacturer from another country had gone into a foreign land and carried out a similar act of what some would regard as 'helicopter hooliganism' on a national icon, for commercial gain, then the same suggestion that there had been 'arrogance' displayed in the decision making process would probably also be appropriate.
One thing for sure, we have not heard the full story, nor is this the end of the matter.
Why was the landing carried out in the first place? Perhaps not, as some suggest, because it was the greatest helicopter achievement of all time, but so that the achievement could be used for publicity and marketing purposes.
Perhaps the Nepalese Government's action is to try and nullify the commercial benefits of what to some in Kathmandu appears to have been a deliberate and deceitful act. (Somebody in the organizing team for this trial must have realized that they didn't have the Government approval they needed for the landing, so perhaps ‘deceitful’ is not too strong a word.)
Some of you will I appreciate now be reeling and screaming 'tall poppy syndrome', 'hidden agenda' and the like but think about it, why else is the host country denying this achievement?
It was Mr. Lappos in his post that linked the two words "arrogance" and "French" in the same sentence, not me! If another manufacturer from another country had gone into a foreign land and carried out a similar act of what some would regard as 'helicopter hooliganism' on a national icon, for commercial gain, then the same suggestion that there had been 'arrogance' displayed in the decision making process would probably also be appropriate.
One thing for sure, we have not heard the full story, nor is this the end of the matter.
Ok.. in most parts of the world you can land a helicopter anywhere you want if it is not on a private property or a populated area!
What is it with this permission from the Nepalese government? I´m sure in other parts of the country no prior permission is required for off airport landings and let´s not forget that the Nepalese don´t own Everest. They share it with China.
I know some European countries like Germany and perhaps the UK, can have some strange rules for off airport landings, but that is the exception not the rule luckily.
But having said that. If it turns out that Nepal has the rights to permit landings on top of Everest and it was not obtained then it is going to be difficult for FAI to accept the record!
I have the feeling that some corrupt Nepalese officials wanted to get some bribes to allow the team to leave the country with the helicopter unless they denied that they actually landed there. the video proves the achivement.
However nothing would make me happier than to see a B407, or any Bell helicopter, earn the title for landing on Mt. Everest .
Sorry for the rambling, I´m on my second G & T ; )
What is it with this permission from the Nepalese government? I´m sure in other parts of the country no prior permission is required for off airport landings and let´s not forget that the Nepalese don´t own Everest. They share it with China.
I know some European countries like Germany and perhaps the UK, can have some strange rules for off airport landings, but that is the exception not the rule luckily.
But having said that. If it turns out that Nepal has the rights to permit landings on top of Everest and it was not obtained then it is going to be difficult for FAI to accept the record!
I have the feeling that some corrupt Nepalese officials wanted to get some bribes to allow the team to leave the country with the helicopter unless they denied that they actually landed there. the video proves the achivement.
However nothing would make me happier than to see a B407, or any Bell helicopter, earn the title for landing on Mt. Everest .
Sorry for the rambling, I´m on my second G & T ; )
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It's been a week of firsts on Everest.
BBC NEWS:
Wedding on top of Mount Everest
A Nepalese couple have exchanged wedding vows on top of Mount Everest, the first people ever to marry there.
Pem Dorjee and Moni Mulepati briefly took off their oxygen masks and put on plastic garlands, while the groom symbolically applied red powder on the bride's forehead.
The couple stayed on the peak for a mere 10 minutes which gave enough time for the ceremony and for friends to take photos.
The bride told BBC's Newshour programme other climbers were "very surprised, they are really shocked."
The groom said other couples had wanted to do the same in the past, but none had managed because they could not get up on top of the peak together.
One Nepalese paper joked that this was a marriage which, if not made in heaven, was solemnised closest to it.
It's been a busy week at Mount Everest. On Monday, 45 climbers scaled the 8,850-metre (29,035-feet) peak - including Pem Dorjee and Moni Mulepati the couple who got married.
BBC NEWS:
Wedding on top of Mount Everest
A Nepalese couple have exchanged wedding vows on top of Mount Everest, the first people ever to marry there.
Pem Dorjee and Moni Mulepati briefly took off their oxygen masks and put on plastic garlands, while the groom symbolically applied red powder on the bride's forehead.
The couple stayed on the peak for a mere 10 minutes which gave enough time for the ceremony and for friends to take photos.
The bride told BBC's Newshour programme other climbers were "very surprised, they are really shocked."
The groom said other couples had wanted to do the same in the past, but none had managed because they could not get up on top of the peak together.
One Nepalese paper joked that this was a marriage which, if not made in heaven, was solemnised closest to it.
It's been a busy week at Mount Everest. On Monday, 45 climbers scaled the 8,850-metre (29,035-feet) peak - including Pem Dorjee and Moni Mulepati the couple who got married.
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Aesir,
You say "...in most parts of the world you can land a helicopter anywhere you want if it is not on a private property or a populated area!"
I wonder if that is an accurate assessment.
In most parts of the world that I am familiar with you require / shoud have permission to land a helicopter be it on private or non-private land. Would you agree that in most countries all land belongs to someone, either a private concern or a national government?
I will agree with you entirely that in many places landing a helicopter anywhere is the 'norm' but I believe that the reality is that if you do not have the permission /approval / statement of 'no objection' from the land owner, leaseholder or government authority with jurisdiction over that land then you are risking a legal action against you for trespass (or worse). It is just that we are banking on “Joe Public” not knowing this or not caring enough to file a complaint.
I am pleased to see the culture of the ‘G&T’ is alive and well in your part of the world too!
You say "...in most parts of the world you can land a helicopter anywhere you want if it is not on a private property or a populated area!"
I wonder if that is an accurate assessment.
In most parts of the world that I am familiar with you require / shoud have permission to land a helicopter be it on private or non-private land. Would you agree that in most countries all land belongs to someone, either a private concern or a national government?
I will agree with you entirely that in many places landing a helicopter anywhere is the 'norm' but I believe that the reality is that if you do not have the permission /approval / statement of 'no objection' from the land owner, leaseholder or government authority with jurisdiction over that land then you are risking a legal action against you for trespass (or worse). It is just that we are banking on “Joe Public” not knowing this or not caring enough to file a complaint.
I am pleased to see the culture of the ‘G&T’ is alive and well in your part of the world too!
Hi "SHortshaft"
I´m now on my forth G & T so I want to apologize for any spelling errors right away ; )
We´ll I have only flown helicopter´s in USA, Russia, Kashakstan, Tatarstan, Canada, Checkien, Venezuela, South Africa, Iceland, Greenland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, UK, Germany & Switzerland. And as far is I knew I was only needed permission to land off airport in the last three countries?
But I have to admit I don´t really know how things work in Asian countries except those east of the Ural mountains in former Soviet union. Probably govt. officials want their palms greased with dollars before allowing anyone to land off airport, would´nt surprise me.
I´m now on my forth G & T so I want to apologize for any spelling errors right away ; )
We´ll I have only flown helicopter´s in USA, Russia, Kashakstan, Tatarstan, Canada, Checkien, Venezuela, South Africa, Iceland, Greenland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, UK, Germany & Switzerland. And as far is I knew I was only needed permission to land off airport in the last three countries?
But I have to admit I don´t really know how things work in Asian countries except those east of the Ural mountains in former Soviet union. Probably govt. officials want their palms greased with dollars before allowing anyone to land off airport, would´nt surprise me.
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Update
A story in today's Indian Statesman quotes Keshav Raj Khanal, Deputy DG of the Civil Aviation Authority of Nepal, as saying that Desalle actually landed at South Col, 1,000 meters lower down than Mount Everest. Reportedly, this 'emergency landing' was also witnessed by Nepalese Army troops accompanying Desalle's B3.
The mystery continues...!
The mystery continues...!
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AS350B3 landing on Mount Everest
Have a look at :
http://www.mounteverest.net/story/Fr...ay272005.shtml
http://www.mounteverest.net/story/Fr...ay272005.shtml
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everest heavy landing
my local paper the p&j, carried a story today about
Sir Ralph Fiennes making a summit bid this week, but
also mentions another exped, who had alucky escape
when"on thursday a helicopter crashed at base camp
................everybody escapedwithout serious injury"
anybody heard anything?
Sir Ralph Fiennes making a summit bid this week, but
also mentions another exped, who had alucky escape
when"on thursday a helicopter crashed at base camp
................everybody escapedwithout serious injury"
anybody heard anything?
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It would appear that a local couple were married at the summit and were due to be flown out from a base camp by helicopter....
I read this yesterday:
"On Thursday, a Russian-built MI-17 helicopter crash-landed at Everest’s base camp as it tried to collect the married couple and other climbers who had scaled the peak earlier this week. No one was seriously injured, although some suffered bruises and cuts, said Prakash Adhikari of the Himalayan Rescue Association.
Another helicopter was sent to bring back the passengers and climbers."
TM
I read this yesterday:
"On Thursday, a Russian-built MI-17 helicopter crash-landed at Everest’s base camp as it tried to collect the married couple and other climbers who had scaled the peak earlier this week. No one was seriously injured, although some suffered bruises and cuts, said Prakash Adhikari of the Himalayan Rescue Association.
Another helicopter was sent to bring back the passengers and climbers."
TM
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Apparently the Mi 17 lost an engine on finals to the Everest Base Camp. In the heavy landing that followed the aircraft lost its tail and rolled. The machine was damaged beyond economical repair.
The operator is Shree Airlines. As the accident was at the end of the flight the company is perhaps aptly named. "Shree" means "auspicious beginning".
The operator is Shree Airlines. As the accident was at the end of the flight the company is perhaps aptly named. "Shree" means "auspicious beginning".
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CAAN refutes chopper landing on Everest summit
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=41844
KOL Report
KATHMANDU, June 3 - The Civil Aviation Authority of Nepal Thursday said that the landing of the Eurocopter helicopter on the peak of Mt. Everest has not been confirmed.
Earlier, international media had reported that the Eurocopter’s Ecureuil chopper had landed on the top of the Everest creating the world record for the highest altitude landing.
CAAN, in a statement yesterday, clarified that the news carried by the international media was false.
Eurocopter, issuing a statement on May 24 in Paris, had said its chopper Ecureuil A Star AS 350 B3 piloted by Didier Delsalle, achieved the feat of landing on the top of the world’s highest peak on May 14.
The CAAN had formed a committee to investigate of the said landing when it was only permitted to test fly over the Everest region.
Upon inquiry, the captain of the flight Didier Delsalle in a written explanation has said that it was impossible to land because of the adverse topography, the CAAN said.
“Delsalle had only made emergency landing some 1000 metres below at the South Col due to bad weather and therefore the landing cannot be confirmed,” the statement said.
“The helicopter had not demanded permission for landing on the peak,” said the CAAN “and therefore no permit had been given and such imaginary publicity by the Eurocopter is regretted.”
The permission for the test flight has been withdrawn in view of the sensitivity from the available information as the conditions of the flight were violated, and the helicopter has been returned to Kathmandu, said the statement. (dds)
KATHMANDU, June 3 - The Civil Aviation Authority of Nepal Thursday said that the landing of the Eurocopter helicopter on the peak of Mt. Everest has not been confirmed.
Earlier, international media had reported that the Eurocopter’s Ecureuil chopper had landed on the top of the Everest creating the world record for the highest altitude landing.
CAAN, in a statement yesterday, clarified that the news carried by the international media was false.
Eurocopter, issuing a statement on May 24 in Paris, had said its chopper Ecureuil A Star AS 350 B3 piloted by Didier Delsalle, achieved the feat of landing on the top of the world’s highest peak on May 14.
The CAAN had formed a committee to investigate of the said landing when it was only permitted to test fly over the Everest region.
Upon inquiry, the captain of the flight Didier Delsalle in a written explanation has said that it was impossible to land because of the adverse topography, the CAAN said.
“Delsalle had only made emergency landing some 1000 metres below at the South Col due to bad weather and therefore the landing cannot be confirmed,” the statement said.
“The helicopter had not demanded permission for landing on the peak,” said the CAAN “and therefore no permit had been given and such imaginary publicity by the Eurocopter is regretted.”
The permission for the test flight has been withdrawn in view of the sensitivity from the available information as the conditions of the flight were violated, and the helicopter has been returned to Kathmandu, said the statement. (dds)
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Just sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me from a bunch of French haters. What have HAI got to say about it? For me, that's the test of whether a record was set or not. Whatever is the case, is it still the highest landing made by a helicopter?
As for all the brouhaha about how it's such a sacred place, if that's the case why do the controlling authorities allow all the commercial climbs with their polluting rubbish up there - I would think they do far more damage than a helicopter briefly touching its skids on the summit.
I hope it's proven that it did land on the summit as the B3 is a great altitude machine and I haven't heard the Chinese making a lot of fuss about it as one or two Nepalese seem to be doing - and Nepal has a great reputation as one of the premiere aviation nations doesn't it
As for all the brouhaha about how it's such a sacred place, if that's the case why do the controlling authorities allow all the commercial climbs with their polluting rubbish up there - I would think they do far more damage than a helicopter briefly touching its skids on the summit.
I hope it's proven that it did land on the summit as the B3 is a great altitude machine and I haven't heard the Chinese making a lot of fuss about it as one or two Nepalese seem to be doing - and Nepal has a great reputation as one of the premiere aviation nations doesn't it
I said early on it was a "mythical" landing on that "mythical" mountain!
French aviator didn't land on Everest: Nepal:-
Kathmandu | June 04, 2005 10:41:28 AM IST
Kathmandu, June 3 : Nepal said Friday a test pilot employed by a French aviation giant had perpetrated a Himalayan fraud by claiming to have landed on Mount Everest.
Didier Delsalle, who was flying a Eurocopter, has now admitted to landing 1,000m lower than the 8,848m summit, a Nepalese official said Friday.
This would restore the earlier record held by the Indian Air Force. Flying an indigenously manufactured Cheetal helicopter last November, Group Captain A.S. Butola and Squadron Leader S. Sharma landed at Saserkangri in Ladakh at an altitude of 7,070m.
Even if Delsalle landed at 7,848m on Everest's South Col, technically it would seem invalid since he did not have permission to land for any purpose other than an emergency.
"Delsalle had taken permission only to test-fly his chopper at high altitude but not make any landing," Civil Aviation Authority of Nepal (CAAN) deputy director-general Keshav Raj Khanal said in a statement Friday.
"During his flight, the weather deteriorated and the strong winds forced him to turn back. He had to make a u-turn for which he briefly landed on South Col and then headed back. Otheriwse, he would have been forced to stray into China's air space, for which he had no permission," Khanal added.
Delsalle claimed to have landed on the 8,848m Everest summit May 14 but this hit the headlines only May 25 after he returned to France. The truth emerged after two written interviews with Nepalese authorities when he admitted to landing 1,000m lower.
Dated May 19 and 20, Delsalle's statements say he had to make an emergency landing at the South Col but doesn't make any claims about creating a world record by landing on Mt Everest.
According to aviation authorities, Delsalle's chopper was followed by another with soldiers from the Royal Nepalese Army and they had witnessed him making an emergency landing at South Col.
CAAN's statement seems to throw egg on Eurocopter's face and upholds the IAF record.
Eurocopter is a wholly owned subsidiary of EADS, the worldwide leader in aerospace, defence, and the associated services. The EADS group, that generated a turnover of 31.8 billion euros in 2004, and employed approximately 110,000 people throughout the world, includes aircraft maker Airbus, and the world's second largest missile company, the joint venture MDBA.
It is also the major industrial partner for Galileo, the European satellite-based navigation system.
A press release from Paris used the supposed high-altitude landing to extoll the Eurocopter's virtues.
It said: "After taking off from his base camp Lukla on May 14 at 2,866 m, Didier Delsalle onboard his Ecureuil AS350B3 reached the top of Mount Everest. As required by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI - International Aeronautical Federation), the aircraft remained on ground more than two minutes on the top of the world before flying back to Lukla. This feat was renewed the day after.
"Stepping out of his helicopter, Didier Delsalle commented: 'To reach this mythical summit seemed to be a dream; despite the obvious difficulties of the target to be reached, the aircraft demonstrated its capability to cope with the situation."
Desperate mountaineers and record seekers are known to make false claims and falsify records.
This mountaineering season, there was an earlier controversy about a Korean climber who claimed to have scaled a peak while the mountaineers following him said he did not.
(IANS)
Kathmandu | June 04, 2005 10:41:28 AM IST
Kathmandu, June 3 : Nepal said Friday a test pilot employed by a French aviation giant had perpetrated a Himalayan fraud by claiming to have landed on Mount Everest.
Didier Delsalle, who was flying a Eurocopter, has now admitted to landing 1,000m lower than the 8,848m summit, a Nepalese official said Friday.
This would restore the earlier record held by the Indian Air Force. Flying an indigenously manufactured Cheetal helicopter last November, Group Captain A.S. Butola and Squadron Leader S. Sharma landed at Saserkangri in Ladakh at an altitude of 7,070m.
Even if Delsalle landed at 7,848m on Everest's South Col, technically it would seem invalid since he did not have permission to land for any purpose other than an emergency.
"Delsalle had taken permission only to test-fly his chopper at high altitude but not make any landing," Civil Aviation Authority of Nepal (CAAN) deputy director-general Keshav Raj Khanal said in a statement Friday.
"During his flight, the weather deteriorated and the strong winds forced him to turn back. He had to make a u-turn for which he briefly landed on South Col and then headed back. Otheriwse, he would have been forced to stray into China's air space, for which he had no permission," Khanal added.
Delsalle claimed to have landed on the 8,848m Everest summit May 14 but this hit the headlines only May 25 after he returned to France. The truth emerged after two written interviews with Nepalese authorities when he admitted to landing 1,000m lower.
Dated May 19 and 20, Delsalle's statements say he had to make an emergency landing at the South Col but doesn't make any claims about creating a world record by landing on Mt Everest.
According to aviation authorities, Delsalle's chopper was followed by another with soldiers from the Royal Nepalese Army and they had witnessed him making an emergency landing at South Col.
CAAN's statement seems to throw egg on Eurocopter's face and upholds the IAF record.
Eurocopter is a wholly owned subsidiary of EADS, the worldwide leader in aerospace, defence, and the associated services. The EADS group, that generated a turnover of 31.8 billion euros in 2004, and employed approximately 110,000 people throughout the world, includes aircraft maker Airbus, and the world's second largest missile company, the joint venture MDBA.
It is also the major industrial partner for Galileo, the European satellite-based navigation system.
A press release from Paris used the supposed high-altitude landing to extoll the Eurocopter's virtues.
It said: "After taking off from his base camp Lukla on May 14 at 2,866 m, Didier Delsalle onboard his Ecureuil AS350B3 reached the top of Mount Everest. As required by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI - International Aeronautical Federation), the aircraft remained on ground more than two minutes on the top of the world before flying back to Lukla. This feat was renewed the day after.
"Stepping out of his helicopter, Didier Delsalle commented: 'To reach this mythical summit seemed to be a dream; despite the obvious difficulties of the target to be reached, the aircraft demonstrated its capability to cope with the situation."
Desperate mountaineers and record seekers are known to make false claims and falsify records.
This mountaineering season, there was an earlier controversy about a Korean climber who claimed to have scaled a peak while the mountaineers following him said he did not.
(IANS)
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At last, we won't have to hear climbers banging on about the death zone on crappy channel 5 documentaries. ie 'Above 7000 m, there isn't enough oxygen, it's cold, and there isn't a helicopter that can rescue you' Buy my book.
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The plot thickens indeed ...
Mount Everest landing and take-off : Eurocopter statement
Marignane, June 7, 2005
Further to the Civil Aviation Authorities of Nepal (CAAN) statement released from Katmandou on June 3rd, 2005, Eurocopter does confirm that its serial Ecureuil AS 350B3 did achieve the World Record performance of high altitude landing and take-off on Mount Everest (8850m) on May 14th and 15th 2005 as per FAI (Fédération Aéronautique Internationale) standards.
Eurocopter regrets the misunderstanding with the CAAN.
Indeed the permission given by the CAAN to the Eurocopter team was very clear and did concern “Everest High Altitude Heli Flight Test”, including landings and take-offs” as per Eurocopter flight test programme given to CAAN in March 2005.
This Mount Everest landing and take-off feat has been performed under control of a FAI Official Observer and according to the FAI rules, i.e. “the touch down/take-off ensure that the rotorcraft maintains contact with the ground at least 2mn”.
This World Record is currently under validation.
As shown in the video on our Eurocopter website (www.eurocopter.com/everest ) this was the case as the Ecureuil AS350B3 remained landed 3mn 50 on May 14th and over 4mn on the next day.
Marignane, June 7, 2005
Further to the Civil Aviation Authorities of Nepal (CAAN) statement released from Katmandou on June 3rd, 2005, Eurocopter does confirm that its serial Ecureuil AS 350B3 did achieve the World Record performance of high altitude landing and take-off on Mount Everest (8850m) on May 14th and 15th 2005 as per FAI (Fédération Aéronautique Internationale) standards.
Eurocopter regrets the misunderstanding with the CAAN.
Indeed the permission given by the CAAN to the Eurocopter team was very clear and did concern “Everest High Altitude Heli Flight Test”, including landings and take-offs” as per Eurocopter flight test programme given to CAAN in March 2005.
This Mount Everest landing and take-off feat has been performed under control of a FAI Official Observer and according to the FAI rules, i.e. “the touch down/take-off ensure that the rotorcraft maintains contact with the ground at least 2mn”.
This World Record is currently under validation.
As shown in the video on our Eurocopter website (www.eurocopter.com/everest ) this was the case as the Ecureuil AS350B3 remained landed 3mn 50 on May 14th and over 4mn on the next day.
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