Crash In Gloucester, 2 Injured
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Thanks for your reply
Respectfully I still can not see your point.
Are you saying that we should send a large SAR helicopter to every incident on the off chance that it may turn out to be much worse than reported?
Imagine that taken across all the emergency services!
Presumably ARCC would only dispatch the most appropriate asset.
This would mean quite rightly that the SAR machine remains at its base
I know that it only takes a phone call to involve ARCC. Should additional help be required they then just press a button.
Surely the incident that prompted this thread would have happened this way had it been required.
In answer to the above, I have to say that if we and the police were scrambled to every missing person without proper investigation then we would all be airborne 24hrs a day.
I regard this as proper co-ordination of assets.
And finally I have to admit that the only SAR Pilots/Crewmen I have had the pleasure of working with are the very experienced Civilian, Ex military RAF/Navy guys, many of them having been there, done that, got the T shirt a few times over.
By the way, it is 4 flights at the moment.
Cheers
Thanks for your reply
Respectfully I still can not see your point.
Are you saying that we should send a large SAR helicopter to every incident on the off chance that it may turn out to be much worse than reported?
Imagine that taken across all the emergency services!
Presumably ARCC would only dispatch the most appropriate asset.
This would mean quite rightly that the SAR machine remains at its base
I know that it only takes a phone call to involve ARCC. Should additional help be required they then just press a button.
Surely the incident that prompted this thread would have happened this way had it been required.
Press- how many searches have you had to do after dark even though the casualty went missing in the middle of the day?
I regard this as proper co-ordination of assets.
Presstransdown - I would suggest that my comments are representative of the military SAR world ie 8 flights around UK but maybe not your world (3 flights).
By the way, it is 4 flights at the moment.
Cheers
"By the way, it is 4 flights at the moment."
Beat me to it! I wonder which one was missed; I'm sure they'd be pleased to know.
Beat me to it! I wonder which one was missed; I'm sure they'd be pleased to know.
Sorry - I should have specified 24 hour SAR flts.
I have also said I am talking about aircraft crashes, for which the ARCC has responsibility - not all the other incidents.
If the ARCC had been informed then I am sure that they would not have launched a SAR cab but my point is they should be given the choice because they are the coordinators.
I have also said I am talking about aircraft crashes, for which the ARCC has responsibility - not all the other incidents.
If the ARCC had been informed then I am sure that they would not have launched a SAR cab but my point is they should be given the choice because they are the coordinators.
At the emergency services debrief for the Kegworth (M1) crash in 1989, I understand a senior police officer asked who was responsible for sending the military SAR helicopter that landed on the motorway unannounced about an hour into the rescue operation, frightening the hell out of everyone on the ground.
A few years later, at a disaster plan coordination exercise for the Southend Airshow, (scenario; Red Arrows opposition pair collide, one aircraft dives into large crowd on sea front, the other crashes into the sea with pilot ejecting) I heard the RAF SAR representative, when asked what action the nearest RAF SAR unit would take, tell the stunned meeting that the Seaking crew would search for the missing pilot!
A few years later, at a disaster plan coordination exercise for the Southend Airshow, (scenario; Red Arrows opposition pair collide, one aircraft dives into large crowd on sea front, the other crashes into the sea with pilot ejecting) I heard the RAF SAR representative, when asked what action the nearest RAF SAR unit would take, tell the stunned meeting that the Seaking crew would search for the missing pilot!
Hi Bertie
I think the RAF SAR representative was quite correct - as I understand the situation, that is his prime role and what the aircraft is best equipped for. In the early stages of an air show incident the only immediate helicopter role would probably be for the the Police Helicopter. Even the poor old Air Ambulance crews would be sitting back watching the activities. Only after the initial triage of patients in the field hospital would available air and road assets evacuate the most appropriate injuries.
P.S. Had sight of SK's boots and flying overalls yesterday, now that's hot!!! Thankyou to the Fire Service for looking after his good looks!
TeeS
I think the RAF SAR representative was quite correct - as I understand the situation, that is his prime role and what the aircraft is best equipped for. In the early stages of an air show incident the only immediate helicopter role would probably be for the the Police Helicopter. Even the poor old Air Ambulance crews would be sitting back watching the activities. Only after the initial triage of patients in the field hospital would available air and road assets evacuate the most appropriate injuries.
P.S. Had sight of SK's boots and flying overalls yesterday, now that's hot!!! Thankyou to the Fire Service for looking after his good looks!
TeeS
The Reds pilot would have to help us find him as our homers wouldn't be any use!! He'd be boring the injured masses with tales of 9-ship derring do and shooting his wristwatch down.
