R22 Corner
Ch 7 news said that the pilot had radioed to advise of a warning light in the cockpit. Eyewitness said there was a loud bang but no fire, and bits fell off it.
How many warning lights are there in a Robby? One for the generator not on line (not likely to cause an accident), one for the clutch light - if it drove too tight it could snap a belt, or if it disengaged you lose revs or go into auto.
But it sounds like the rotor hit the tail boom. Not a recommended practice. Very sad for F. and his student and families.
How many warning lights are there in a Robby? One for the generator not on line (not likely to cause an accident), one for the clutch light - if it drove too tight it could snap a belt, or if it disengaged you lose revs or go into auto.
But it sounds like the rotor hit the tail boom. Not a recommended practice. Very sad for F. and his student and families.
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Warning lights in a R22:
MR Chip, TR Chip, Clutch, Starter, Low Fuel, Alternator, Governor Off...
Quote on news tonight was "exploded and spiralled towards the ground".
Also, they mentioned that last week the aircraft was in for "extensive maintenance".
It's never pleasant to hear news like this, and i suppose all we can do is learn from it and make it less likely to happen again...
MR Chip, TR Chip, Clutch, Starter, Low Fuel, Alternator, Governor Off...
Quote on news tonight was "exploded and spiralled towards the ground".
Also, they mentioned that last week the aircraft was in for "extensive maintenance".
It's never pleasant to hear news like this, and i suppose all we can do is learn from it and make it less likely to happen again...
And they still say its the best light helicopter on the market!! One crashed the other day in the states too, during powerline patrol, killing two persons. Makes me sad, sad, sad. They should be banned and scrapped. I don't think I've ever seen such "flimsy" parts on an airframe, and if I'm lucky I'll never sit in one again!
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No, it can't be your eyesight.
Eyesight goes after a lot of ABuse.....
Eyesight goes after a lot of ABuse.....
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So which way do they curve then?
If you mean downwards when stationary, then I think that'll be due to the flexibility in the structure. The droop decreases when they are rotating due to centrifugal force, as far as I know (I stand to be corrected if that's wrong). I don't have bags of experience, but if I found them curving any other way I think I'd get the bus (and I hate buses).
Or, have I missed a very obvious rotary joke?
If you mean downwards when stationary, then I think that'll be due to the flexibility in the structure. The droop decreases when they are rotating due to centrifugal force, as far as I know (I stand to be corrected if that's wrong). I don't have bags of experience, but if I found them curving any other way I think I'd get the bus (and I hate buses).
Or, have I missed a very obvious rotary joke?
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A Tragic Loss
A Great man died yesterday, Fraser Shannon was a friend to many and will be greatly missed by all who have had the pleasure to have known him.
A great pilot and Instructor that the industry will miss, I trained with Fraser and was fortunate enough to have spent some time with him during the Major Bush Fires in Jindabyne N.S.W
We spent many a day saving lives during the fires and fraser was liked by all.
I believe the aircraft had just come out of the work shop and believe it had problems with blade tracking and balancing, sounds like the A/C fell apart in flight?
TO A FRIEND AND FELLOW AVIATOR I WILL MISS YOU. REST IN PEACE MY FRIEND...
A great pilot and Instructor that the industry will miss, I trained with Fraser and was fortunate enough to have spent some time with him during the Major Bush Fires in Jindabyne N.S.W
We spent many a day saving lives during the fires and fraser was liked by all.
I believe the aircraft had just come out of the work shop and believe it had problems with blade tracking and balancing, sounds like the A/C fell apart in flight?
TO A FRIEND AND FELLOW AVIATOR I WILL MISS YOU. REST IN PEACE MY FRIEND...
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Yes Fraser Shannon was a great bloke and a very thorough pilot and taught me a lot about aircraft navigation as I used to train with him when I was out at Bankstown Helicopters doing my CPL training.
He used to be a carpenter and as I understand built the Bankstown Helicopters hangers and I remember the day when he went full time as a helicopter pilot dropping his carpentry career.
Out of all the pilots there, Terry McGowan and Fraser Shannon were my favourite instructors to fly with because they passed on a lot of wisdom and skill. Unfortunately he has left behind 2 kids and a wife and I just hope that they will be able to cope in the coming years without too much pain.
And the uncanny thing is that when I was driving to work the other day, I heard Fraser's voice on 2WS, because he was advertising fundraising for Child Flight or Care Flight.....whereever he did his air-medical work (not sure).
Anyway Fraser old mate, you taught me a lot and I will never forget you. Also my condolences go to the 18 year old student that died with him. A very sad indeed.
RIP
He used to be a carpenter and as I understand built the Bankstown Helicopters hangers and I remember the day when he went full time as a helicopter pilot dropping his carpentry career.
Out of all the pilots there, Terry McGowan and Fraser Shannon were my favourite instructors to fly with because they passed on a lot of wisdom and skill. Unfortunately he has left behind 2 kids and a wife and I just hope that they will be able to cope in the coming years without too much pain.
And the uncanny thing is that when I was driving to work the other day, I heard Fraser's voice on 2WS, because he was advertising fundraising for Child Flight or Care Flight.....whereever he did his air-medical work (not sure).
Anyway Fraser old mate, you taught me a lot and I will never forget you. Also my condolences go to the 18 year old student that died with him. A very sad indeed.
RIP
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Frazer is the one person who comes to mind with whom I would have most liked to have had a beer with sometime....even though I never had the opportunity to work along side Frazer, our paths still tended to cross regularly.
Frazer, aside from being a professional in his field, was just an allround genuine guy who always stood out amongst the backdrop of personalities that makes up our industry.
My condolences extend to family and friends and to everyone that had the privellige of knowing Frazer.
Frazer, aside from being a professional in his field, was just an allround genuine guy who always stood out amongst the backdrop of personalities that makes up our industry.
My condolences extend to family and friends and to everyone that had the privellige of knowing Frazer.
I met Fraser when I was doing my PPL at Bankstown Helicopters in 1999 - never flew with him, but always a nice, pleasant bloke to have a chat with.
Condolences to his family.
Condolences to his family.
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Cloud Nine Helicopters staff, pilots and students would like to extend their depeest sympathy to the family, friends, students(past and present) of the late Fraser Shannon; and the student pilot involved. An ab-initio student pilot teamed with a well-respected and experienced EMS PIC on a standard training flight... this can only be described as a shocking tragedy.
MAY THEY REST IN PEACE
The accident is currently under investigation by the ATSB, and as per company policy no further comment will be made. The support of the industry is greatly appreciated.
MAY THEY REST IN PEACE
The accident is currently under investigation by the ATSB, and as per company policy no further comment will be made. The support of the industry is greatly appreciated.
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R22 blades
No joke DB Chopper ive checked a few pairs. they bend in the flat plane ie the leading edge curves backwards. what interests me is what is happening the the feathering axis as the blade takes this rearward curve.
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from the Sydney Morning Herald
June 21 2003 [quote]
Student pilot, instructor die in helicopter crash
A paramedic is winched down to the crash site
A helicopter instructor with thousands of hours flying experience and a novice taking the controls for only the second time died in a crash in Sydney's south-west yesterday.
The helicopter, a Robinson R22, crashed about 8.45am yesterday near Warragamba Dam after taking off from Bankstown Airport. It had been serviced on Thursday.
The instructor, Fraser Shannon, 42, was a pilot with the Telstra Child Flight service based at Westmead Hospital, and flew trainees in his spare time. The trainee, aged about 20, was having his second lesson for a private helicopter licence.
Witnesses reported that the helicopter was in trouble shortly before they heard it crash. Police arrived in the bushland area about an hour later and sealed off the accident scene near the dam.
The coroner examined the scene and the Australian Transport Safety Bureau is also expected to be involved in the inquiry. There was no indication last night whether the crash was caused by a mechanical fault or human error.
The chief pilot of Telstra Child Flight, Terry Mortimer, said Mr Shannon flew medical equipment and crews to ailing newborn babies and ill children, as well as flying sick children back to hospitals for treatment.
Mr Shannon, of Tahmoor, was a very experienced pilot, with over 3500 hours of flying experience. He had flown his last shift for the medical service on Thursday.
"He was a good all-round bloke, sadly missed," Mr Mortimer said.
The helicopter was run by Cloud Nine Helicopters Pty Ltd, a company with six aircraft licensed to conduct charter flights. It also performed a variety of aerial work, including banner towing, aerial photography and environmental studies.
June 21 2003 [quote]
Student pilot, instructor die in helicopter crash
A paramedic is winched down to the crash siteA helicopter instructor with thousands of hours flying experience and a novice taking the controls for only the second time died in a crash in Sydney's south-west yesterday.
The helicopter, a Robinson R22, crashed about 8.45am yesterday near Warragamba Dam after taking off from Bankstown Airport. It had been serviced on Thursday.
The instructor, Fraser Shannon, 42, was a pilot with the Telstra Child Flight service based at Westmead Hospital, and flew trainees in his spare time. The trainee, aged about 20, was having his second lesson for a private helicopter licence.
Witnesses reported that the helicopter was in trouble shortly before they heard it crash. Police arrived in the bushland area about an hour later and sealed off the accident scene near the dam.
The coroner examined the scene and the Australian Transport Safety Bureau is also expected to be involved in the inquiry. There was no indication last night whether the crash was caused by a mechanical fault or human error.
The chief pilot of Telstra Child Flight, Terry Mortimer, said Mr Shannon flew medical equipment and crews to ailing newborn babies and ill children, as well as flying sick children back to hospitals for treatment.
Mr Shannon, of Tahmoor, was a very experienced pilot, with over 3500 hours of flying experience. He had flown his last shift for the medical service on Thursday.
"He was a good all-round bloke, sadly missed," Mr Mortimer said.
The helicopter was run by Cloud Nine Helicopters Pty Ltd, a company with six aircraft licensed to conduct charter flights. It also performed a variety of aerial work, including banner towing, aerial photography and environmental studies.
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R22 POH Performance
I was wondering if anyone might be able to explain why the hover performance charts in the POH stop graphing at 12,600 DA and the operating limitation is 14,000 DA. The demonstrated hover controlability is on the graph @ 9800 DA. I was also wondering why they stopped at 9800. Any answers appreciated, including why anyone would want to be at those altitudes in an R22 anyway.
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Learning to fly a Robbo
Sorry about the size Hilico. I think im reasonably good at making sims, but im really crap on this computor will have to get the missus to enlarge it , the picture that is
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Which reminds me to ask : a few years ago there was a plan to open the UK's first "helidrome". It was going to be in Chiswick, London. Now - this was around the same time as "Tomorrow's World" was showing off a working heli-trainer that was a combination of hyraulicss and electronics. This thing would move around on a pad (about 20 metres square, it looked) and you could "fly" it. It had a collective and cyclic - but was more like a hydraulic supermarket trolley. If it flew too close to the edge of the pad, the electronics brought it to a halt.
So - what happened to this ? And is it all related to the machine above ?
So - what happened to this ? And is it all related to the machine above ?