What happened to NSW ems drama at 'gong topic
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Splash,
Please send me a photo of that pig as it fly's past can you... Watch this thread.
Gimble, 10 mil for a 412? not for a second hand one that I'm sure CHC would have lying around. Maybe a spanking new EP with everything fitted. Clarance, you are right, it could be the one that Careflight paid heaps for.
I love the rumour network, you never know who knows
Please send me a photo of that pig as it fly's past can you... Watch this thread.
Gimble, 10 mil for a 412? not for a second hand one that I'm sure CHC would have lying around. Maybe a spanking new EP with everything fitted. Clarance, you are right, it could be the one that Careflight paid heaps for.
I love the rumour network, you never know who knows
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Well!
It seems that pigs can fly and what a pig it is.
CHC has dredged up its oldest crappiest 412 from the NSCA days and is fitting an old hoist and is offering it to the NSW Ambulance as the saviour of the world.
We put an age limit on pilots. Why not helicopters?
That aircraft is full of the same type of wire that the Hunter Region helicopter was before, for safety reasons they had it re-wired at a cost of $1M.
But what the hay! Give it a coat of paint and the silly ambos would not know the diferance.
Safety, Safety, Safety. Until it is expedient to look the other way.
Who makes these decisions? Some staffer that has no clue I’m sure. Probably with the filtered insight of their retreaded aviation consultant that tells them what they want to hear.
Blue you have a lot to answer for.
Well!
It seems that pigs can fly and what a pig it is.
CHC has dredged up its oldest crappiest 412 from the NSCA days and is fitting an old hoist and is offering it to the NSW Ambulance as the saviour of the world.
We put an age limit on pilots. Why not helicopters?
That aircraft is full of the same type of wire that the Hunter Region helicopter was before, for safety reasons they had it re-wired at a cost of $1M.
But what the hay! Give it a coat of paint and the silly ambos would not know the diferance.
Safety, Safety, Safety. Until it is expedient to look the other way.
Who makes these decisions? Some staffer that has no clue I’m sure. Probably with the filtered insight of their retreaded aviation consultant that tells them what they want to hear.
Blue you have a lot to answer for.
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Someone please tell me why this is difficult to understand.
You pay crap and you get crap.
You pay what it costs to get the job done properly and the job gets done properly.
Or you could pay what it costs to get the job done properly, someone take the profit and delivers crap. Like a vintage 412 for example.
Am I missing something?
You pay crap and you get crap.
You pay what it costs to get the job done properly and the job gets done properly.
Or you could pay what it costs to get the job done properly, someone take the profit and delivers crap. Like a vintage 412 for example.
Am I missing something?
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Lots are eating humble pie here.
I think a few in the Wollongong area have finally been vindicted from their stance and what they and their families have been through.
I think a few in the Wollongong area have finally been vindicted from their stance and what they and their families have been through.
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Ahh Splash... you have (I am making an assumption here) clearly no idea of what's crap and what's not
Just cause an airframe is old does not mean it's crap, ever heard of referb's? I say bring the on big boys, who else can but a 412 in there at such short notice? you get what you pay for in this industry! which is why Lifesaver is not there I guess?
Look up in the sky it's a bird, it's a plane...... it's, its,.... it's a pig!!!!!!!!
All in good fun Splash!
Just cause an airframe is old does not mean it's crap, ever heard of referb's? I say bring the on big boys, who else can but a 412 in there at such short notice? you get what you pay for in this industry! which is why Lifesaver is not there I guess?
Look up in the sky it's a bird, it's a plane...... it's, its,.... it's a pig!!!!!!!!
All in good fun Splash!
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Mr Stop,
You must read the post before you criticize it. The aircraft on the Victorian Ambulance Service contract are NEW. NSP is a venerable old aircraft but it is certainly not new; but I'm sure it will do until the new aircraft turn up
Lets wait and see shall we?
You must read the post before you criticize it. The aircraft on the Victorian Ambulance Service contract are NEW. NSP is a venerable old aircraft but it is certainly not new; but I'm sure it will do until the new aircraft turn up
Lets wait and see shall we?
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Come play in our back yard and get shafted again.
Had it not been littered with poor management, poor attitude and understandably equally poor results, you'd be staying in the house. As it is, the landlord want's you out....now.
You won't be getting a good reference.
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Ahh Quickdraw
I would not like you to think I was having anything else but fun.
It’s a pig alright. But you won’t find it up in the sky. You will find it spread all over the hangar floor.
No tanks or single engine performance to speak of. It’s a pig.
Referb is that when all those parts find their way back to where they belong? Is there time to paint it?
Splash
I would not like you to think I was having anything else but fun.
It’s a pig alright. But you won’t find it up in the sky. You will find it spread all over the hangar floor.
No tanks or single engine performance to speak of. It’s a pig.
Referb is that when all those parts find their way back to where they belong? Is there time to paint it?
Splash
rough trans,
I do not think it is time to gloat. No one appears to be dining on humble pie, and certainly there are no "vindicated" parties in this affair other than possibly CHC who get to have a crack at demonstrating their lack of politics and their focus on task performance. Indeed they are the only real winners here.
What of the people of the Illawarra who have poured so much into establishing and keeping Lifesaver going in the 'gong?
As for the Wollongong staff, are they now redundant? The pilots are needed in Sydney, but are the crewman? This is the detail and the reality of politcs. It's all fun until someone loses an eye, and in this case, what of their livelihoods?
I wonder who will be paying them now that their jobs have been assigned to CHC. I hope someone does, because they have young families, and we should all reflect on the impact upon those families as a result of political games. That is the sad reality. The rest of the finger pointing is what got us to this point in the first place.
(edited to take out some finger pointing of my own!! Sorry.)
I do not think it is time to gloat. No one appears to be dining on humble pie, and certainly there are no "vindicated" parties in this affair other than possibly CHC who get to have a crack at demonstrating their lack of politics and their focus on task performance. Indeed they are the only real winners here.
What of the people of the Illawarra who have poured so much into establishing and keeping Lifesaver going in the 'gong?
As for the Wollongong staff, are they now redundant? The pilots are needed in Sydney, but are the crewman? This is the detail and the reality of politcs. It's all fun until someone loses an eye, and in this case, what of their livelihoods?
I wonder who will be paying them now that their jobs have been assigned to CHC. I hope someone does, because they have young families, and we should all reflect on the impact upon those families as a result of political games. That is the sad reality. The rest of the finger pointing is what got us to this point in the first place.
(edited to take out some finger pointing of my own!! Sorry.)
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There are those who feel they can hide behind assumed names but we know who you are bro!
I suggest you find another helicopter forum. We don't want people like you here.
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ABC News Online
The Illawarra will have a new rescue helicopter service at the end of the month after yesterday's decision to end the contract of the Lifesaver Three helicopter.
Adelaide-based operator CHC Australia, which runs the Southcare helicopter in Canberra, will take over until new contracts are offered in July.
NSW Health Minister Morris Iemma says the decision was made to end the contract due to the unreliability of Lifesaver Three.
"We've given them enough time to sort through the difficulties that they have had and they've been unable to do that and as a result we've made this decision and it's made on legal advice," he said.
The chief executive officer of the Lifesaver Rescue Helicopter Service, Doug Menzies, says he is bitterly disappointed by the decision.
Mr Menzies says the dispute with the Wollongong-based Lifesaver crew is ongoing and until it is resolved there is no way it can fly again.
He says he is shocked by tactics employed by the union movement during the dispute and feels it is partly to blame for the contract's termination.
"We're just pretty disappointed, my statement says we are pretty disappointed with the tactics adopted and believe that its been one of the reasons that we've had the contract not extended," he said.
Rescue chopper decision brings disappointment
The Illawarra will have a new rescue helicopter service at the end of the month after yesterday's decision to end the contract of the Lifesaver Three helicopter.
Adelaide-based operator CHC Australia, which runs the Southcare helicopter in Canberra, will take over until new contracts are offered in July.
NSW Health Minister Morris Iemma says the decision was made to end the contract due to the unreliability of Lifesaver Three.
"We've given them enough time to sort through the difficulties that they have had and they've been unable to do that and as a result we've made this decision and it's made on legal advice," he said.
The chief executive officer of the Lifesaver Rescue Helicopter Service, Doug Menzies, says he is bitterly disappointed by the decision.
Mr Menzies says the dispute with the Wollongong-based Lifesaver crew is ongoing and until it is resolved there is no way it can fly again.
He says he is shocked by tactics employed by the union movement during the dispute and feels it is partly to blame for the contract's termination.
"We're just pretty disappointed, my statement says we are pretty disappointed with the tactics adopted and believe that its been one of the reasons that we've had the contract not extended," he said.
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Maybe the fundraisers should refund the donated money without delay.......or at least reveal to all where it's gone. Nothing sinister alleged here, but I bet the mum and dad punters will be shocked how much there ain't. People should rightly be aware of the rorting that goes on in some community based card houses.
Don't be savage that an experienced commercial operator comes in to do the job.......... it's what they do dummy. Same as a commercial operator shouldn't whine if a community based organisation can do it cheaper and with "charity" status. Good luck to them if they can align all players and planets to sustain a service. Good luck to an operator with the professionalism to do it as a business.
After reading the snipe and innuendo here, I can say that it's no wonder it didn't work at the GONG. Players have apparently behaved without restraint and are now reaping the rewards. Congratulations, you've done a wonderful job.
Don't be savage that an experienced commercial operator comes in to do the job.......... it's what they do dummy. Same as a commercial operator shouldn't whine if a community based organisation can do it cheaper and with "charity" status. Good luck to them if they can align all players and planets to sustain a service. Good luck to an operator with the professionalism to do it as a business.
After reading the snipe and innuendo here, I can say that it's no wonder it didn't work at the GONG. Players have apparently behaved without restraint and are now reaping the rewards. Congratulations, you've done a wonderful job.
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Enough about the flying pig OK.
“Jump on board with the sleeping giant” Are you nuts! It’s not a sleeping giant for starters. It’s more like a malignant melanoma.
They aren’t taking on any of the old crew anyway. Something about the need for a culture change.
Splash
Enough about the flying pig OK.
“Jump on board with the sleeping giant” Are you nuts! It’s not a sleeping giant for starters. It’s more like a malignant melanoma.
They aren’t taking on any of the old crew anyway. Something about the need for a culture change.
Splash
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Clarence
VH-NSP is an old clunker.
Answer me these questions. If you answer yes for more than 50% of them, it’s a clunker.
1 When you look underneath the belly during your daily, do you get oil on your shirt?
2 Are the Maintainers all old and snarly with cuts and scratchers up their hands and arms?
3 Are the blades always out of track?
4 Are some of the wires a brow/orange colour?
5 Do Vietnam veterans get nostalgic when you let them get to close?
6 Is it a Classic?
7 Do you wish it had more range?
8 Do you wish it had some OEI capability?
Venerable old aircraft = Clunker
It’s a clunker. Don’t worry the ambos will not know the difference.
Shame you are not taking on any of the old crew.
VH-NSP is an old clunker.
Answer me these questions. If you answer yes for more than 50% of them, it’s a clunker.
1 When you look underneath the belly during your daily, do you get oil on your shirt?
2 Are the Maintainers all old and snarly with cuts and scratchers up their hands and arms?
3 Are the blades always out of track?
4 Are some of the wires a brow/orange colour?
5 Do Vietnam veterans get nostalgic when you let them get to close?
6 Is it a Classic?
7 Do you wish it had more range?
8 Do you wish it had some OEI capability?
Venerable old aircraft = Clunker
It’s a clunker. Don’t worry the ambos will not know the difference.
Shame you are not taking on any of the old crew.