Gazelle: Flying, operating, buying

[9Aplus]

Tnx MD

How about this:

Conversion from non-civil use.
Case 1: ASTAZOU III A engines originally assembled by Turbomeca may have been in service with
military, customs, police or other operators not under the jurisdiction of a civil Authority. This is known to
apply to, but is not limited to, engines installed in the Eurocopter SA 341 G GAZELLE helicopter.
Case 2: ASTAZOU III A engines can be created by converting ASTAZOU III B engines. The ASTAZOU
III B is a military variant of the ASTAZOU III A, known to be installed in, but not limited to, a military
variant of the Eurocopter SA 341 G GAZELLE helicopter.
The compliance of Case 1 and Case 2 engines with the European rules enabling issuance of an aircraft
standard certificate of airworthiness must be checked. Their configuration, including design changes and
repairs, does not necessarily conform to the type definition approved by EASA, and it is possible that in
operation they have exceeded the limits approved by EASA. Before a standard certificate of
airworthiness is issued to an aircraft in which a Case 1 or Case 2 ASTAZOU III A turboshaft engine is
installed, an EASA Form 1 must be issued for the engine. This requires incorporation of TURBOMECA
Mandatory Service Bulletin A268 72 0801, Original Issue (or any subsequent approved issue) for Case 1
engines, and Mandatory Service Bulletin A268 72 0803, Original Issue (or any subsequent approved
issue) for Case 2 engines.

Source:
http://www.easa.eu.int/certification...3-21042009.pdf

[md 600 driver]

i know about this but it would be no use to you as its converting 111b engines [military yugo] to civil 111a engines you want it the other way round 111a to 111b

as long as you did mean



quote SA341G approx. 800 h remain on turbine (Astazou IIIB)
What are available options after that, in case that helicopter is under EASA Annex II

[9Aplus]

I like to have any feasible solution after IIIB goes out of resources...
perhaps one, that cost much less than 1 M S for brand new one

[md 600 driver]

what model gazelle do you have ?

is it civvy or mil?

french or made under licence ?

registry of helicopter ?

it also depends on what your aviation authoritys rules are
your quote SA341G approx. 800 h remain on turbine (Astazou IIIB) could be a bit missleading as a 341g should have a astazou 111a engine anyway according to the type data certificate for the 341g if its a 341h hera it should have a 111b engine


but if its a 111b engine moma in yugo are still supporting it and they do very cheap overhauls as long as you caa will exept it

[9Aplus]

right to the point.... no more questions....

[Heli-Union]

Not too many Gazelles for sale in past 2-3 years but this one is one is on the market for about $200k - being sold direct by owner.

[md 600 driver]

I think there may be a problem putting that one on a eu reg as it has the old fixed skids on. Ok on n reg though

[Hughes500]

MD600
How can you tell. look the same to me ?

[md 600 driver]

500
If you look at the cabin picture on the advert there is a extra lever on the roof to lock /unlock the barbecue plate the skids and legs are slightly thinner and the fixing of the rear skid legs are different there is a damper on each side

Steve

One thing I've never understood is why it's called a barbecue plate

[Hughes500]

Steve

It could be said that you are quite sad !!!

[md 600 driver]

andy
if i wasnt sad you would not have known

in another life i could have aspired to be a spotter ""

[Savoia]

On the surface it seems a fair price for the Gazelle in Heli-Union's link.

I see she is at 8,000 hrs. What are some of the typical TBO's for the Gaz .. ie. engine, airframe and major components?

[Hughes500]

Steve

Now spotter sums you up nicely !!!!!!!!!

[Heli-Union]

"What are some of the typical TBO's for the Gaz "

These are some typical TBOs and SLLs but of course it change for different model:

Engine (Astazou 3N2): 2500 heures TBO
Main Rotor Blades: On-Condition (Indefinite)
Main Rotor Head: 2400 heures TBO
Main Gear Box: 3200 heures TBO
Intermediate Gear Box: 4000 heures TBO
Tail Gear Box: 2400 heures TBO
Main Hydraulic Servos (3 off): 2400 heures TBO
Tail Hydraulic Servo: 1800 heures TBO
Hydraulic Power Pack: 3200 heures TBO
Clutch Assy.: On-Condition but Internal Bearings have 1500 heures SLL / Service Life Limit
Free Wheel Assy.: On-Condition but Flanged Bearing has 1200 heures SLL
Inclined Drive Shaft: 3100 heures SLL
Horizontal Drive Shaft: 4000 heures SLL
Tail Rotor Connecting Shaft: 12500 heures SLL

[Anthony Supplebottom]

Dumfries and Galloway | Border - ITV News

If you look at the first video in this article you'll see one of the smoothest Gazelle landings ever.

Just what granny ordered!

[SARWannabe]

@AS

If you look at the first video in this article you'll see one of the smoothest Gazelle landings ever.

L O L

[SilsoeSid]

So good in fact, it was bordering on the dynamic

[Agaricus bisporus]

Ironic that the advert directly above that clip was for "tips to avoid rogue traders..."

Not that I'm suggesting anything commercially inappropriate there, just that the standard of piloting seemed somewhat wanting.

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To quote an ex SAR Stds pilot - 'Did we land......or were we shot down?'

[RINKER]

I dont know the pilot or his experience, but I remember transitioning from Robbies onto The Gazelle and found it easy to overcontrol as the controls were so light and add in the RH skid low hover attitude and the opposite turning main rotor, made for some interesting times for me anyway. Also he's landing in front of a camera and possibly a crowd so probably causing him to tense up on the controls.Still not a landing my instructor or I personally would have been happy with.
R