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Dear Sirs,
I am preparing tender documents.
Would someone be kind enough to explain to me how many Pilots I will require to crew a single pilot IFR helicopter on a 24/7 roster. The subject helicopter is expected to fly 750 hours each year.
As helicopter crewman is not subject to the same flight and duty time restrictions as pilots, how many crewmen would I require?
I am preparing tender documents.
Would someone be kind enough to explain to me how many Pilots I will require to crew a single pilot IFR helicopter on a 24/7 roster. The subject helicopter is expected to fly 750 hours each year.
As helicopter crewman is not subject to the same flight and duty time restrictions as pilots, how many crewmen would I require?
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DD is exactly correct.
Hire an aviation consultant. New CASR's coming out in Australia that will require crewmen/lassies to conform to training and duty requirements. (Not before time, seen many a crewy had to work too long a shift.)
It's a mine field full of traps if you are not experienced at aviation tendering. You will save money in the long run and get the correct service provider you need.
Hire an aviation consultant. New CASR's coming out in Australia that will require crewmen/lassies to conform to training and duty requirements. (Not before time, seen many a crewy had to work too long a shift.)
It's a mine field full of traps if you are not experienced at aviation tendering. You will save money in the long run and get the correct service provider you need.
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On the strength of what the new rules might say, surely you are not contending that I should employ five crewmen when two could reasonably do the job. We are expecting to fly 2.05 hours per day only. That is not going to tax anybody too much. If I have more than two crew, they will forget what their job is. They will hardly ever fly.
I am profusely aware that pilots have flight and duty time all sewed up. But what’s this crew stuff all about. And oddly enough the pilots seem to support it.
I have a couple of young guys that are very keen to crew for me. But crewmen like fruit pickers are getting hard to come by. Where would I get all these staff?
Is it that the pilots do not want the crew to be seen to be doing more than they are?
Would it cause friction if the crewmen worked a reasonable roster and the pilots did their leisurely hours? It dumbfounds me that on one hand I have pilots working for food ( Good Food) doing as many hours as I can provide, and on the other, nobody seems to want to fly much at all. The pilots seem to want the IFR indorsement and then do as little as possible.
DD you are clearly right. I need a consultant. You guys have disappointed me with your responses.
Can somebody point me in the direction of a good consultant? One that has an eye on economy with a commerce background. I need someone that can interpret the aviation law and not get confused buy how they think it should be done or what they think the law might change too one day.
I am profusely aware that pilots have flight and duty time all sewed up. But what’s this crew stuff all about. And oddly enough the pilots seem to support it.
I have a couple of young guys that are very keen to crew for me. But crewmen like fruit pickers are getting hard to come by. Where would I get all these staff?
Is it that the pilots do not want the crew to be seen to be doing more than they are?
Would it cause friction if the crewmen worked a reasonable roster and the pilots did their leisurely hours? It dumbfounds me that on one hand I have pilots working for food ( Good Food) doing as many hours as I can provide, and on the other, nobody seems to want to fly much at all. The pilots seem to want the IFR indorsement and then do as little as possible.
DD you are clearly right. I need a consultant. You guys have disappointed me with your responses.
Can somebody point me in the direction of a good consultant? One that has an eye on economy with a commerce background. I need someone that can interpret the aviation law and not get confused buy how they think it should be done or what they think the law might change too one day.
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Gimble Stop
The crewman has to be 75kgs. This is to prevent climbing right hand turns.
There are no CASA requirements for flight and duty time restrictions for crewmen.
There are no CASA requirements for educational standards for crewmen.
Even the 75kgs is optional. But it makes the math easy.
Your fruit pickers should do ok provided they don’t touch anything.
Boy! Are you in for a world of hurt. Good luck. I’d be sticking with the light singles if I were you.
The crewman has to be 75kgs. This is to prevent climbing right hand turns.
There are no CASA requirements for flight and duty time restrictions for crewmen.
There are no CASA requirements for educational standards for crewmen.
Even the 75kgs is optional. But it makes the math easy.
Your fruit pickers should do ok provided they don’t touch anything.
Boy! Are you in for a world of hurt. Good luck. I’d be sticking with the light singles if I were you.
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Mr Gimble Stop
Obviously the Lifeflight management upset a few chaps with how much flying they have been doing so get them to help you with it.
They would no doubt know the ins and outs.
Obviously the Lifeflight management upset a few chaps with how much flying they have been doing so get them to help you with it.
They would no doubt know the ins and outs.
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Now look you guys, you are giving Gimble Stop a hard time when he is asking a perfectly reasonable and sensible question.
Gimble Stop
I would suggest using a Robinson R 44 Float equipped with a dual hoist and autohover as a minimum.
Your crew and equipment list should be:
R 44 (the twin engined one)
Floats (contained in the undercarriage doors)
Dual Hoist (2 different types otherwise they could both fail due to the same problem)
HUMS
HOMP
Additional PFD screen with TCAS overlay
Autohover (Honeywell SPZ 7600 should be ok)
2 Crewmen should be in the aircraft at any one time (one for each hoist)
EGPWS would be useful as well
Crashworthy seating for all crew and passengers (in case you do joy flights when not rescuing people)
Sponson fuel tanks with long range aux fuel would be useful as well.
Now, if you can put the aircraft on the USA (N) register, there is no monthly flight hour limit so your crews can fly up to 8 hours (single pilot) and 10 hours (2 pilot). However, Single pilot ops would probably keep your costs down.
Maintenance costs are minimal on the twin engined R44 because it only has to be overhauled avery 2000 hours or so.
Please PM me and I will give you the details of my brilliant consulting company who can put all of this together for you.
HH
I hope this helps
Gimble Stop
I would suggest using a Robinson R 44 Float equipped with a dual hoist and autohover as a minimum.
Your crew and equipment list should be:
R 44 (the twin engined one)
Floats (contained in the undercarriage doors)
Dual Hoist (2 different types otherwise they could both fail due to the same problem)
HUMS
HOMP
Additional PFD screen with TCAS overlay
Autohover (Honeywell SPZ 7600 should be ok)
2 Crewmen should be in the aircraft at any one time (one for each hoist)
EGPWS would be useful as well
Crashworthy seating for all crew and passengers (in case you do joy flights when not rescuing people)
Sponson fuel tanks with long range aux fuel would be useful as well.
Now, if you can put the aircraft on the USA (N) register, there is no monthly flight hour limit so your crews can fly up to 8 hours (single pilot) and 10 hours (2 pilot). However, Single pilot ops would probably keep your costs down.
Maintenance costs are minimal on the twin engined R44 because it only has to be overhauled avery 2000 hours or so.
Please PM me and I will give you the details of my brilliant consulting company who can put all of this together for you.
HH
I hope this helps
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I can’t put them on the N register because they have too many non STCed mods. This is why these brilliant aircraft can only be sold in Australia after QLD Gov is finished with them. We (the consortium) have secured these aircraft at a rate that will have us competitively placed.
Fitting these aircraft out is not a problem. They are already fitted out and ready to go.
I am however determined to do better than the current over manning situation that exists with the current operators. (Duty time for crewmen nonsense).
We will be seeking expressions of interest shortly. I am not interested in any of the current staff. Too many fixed ideas and inefficient practices.
Go ahead and take the piss fellows. It is not hard to work out who you are.
Gibbo, I will need assistance with an operations manual. I will contact you directly once QES has a date for their 139s.
Fitting these aircraft out is not a problem. They are already fitted out and ready to go.
I am however determined to do better than the current over manning situation that exists with the current operators. (Duty time for crewmen nonsense).
We will be seeking expressions of interest shortly. I am not interested in any of the current staff. Too many fixed ideas and inefficient practices.
Go ahead and take the piss fellows. It is not hard to work out who you are.
Gibbo, I will need assistance with an operations manual. I will contact you directly once QES has a date for their 139s.
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Gimble Stop.... old darling...
If your serious then its obvious to the professionals on this forum that you ..
a. Have not a clue about what you would like to try to get into, nor understand the skills and abilities of the people you will need to make it work!
b. Have no idea about crew rescource management!
c. No idea about regulations or the concept of "Duty of Care"!
It will end in tears.....
If your serious then its obvious to the professionals on this forum that you ..
a. Have not a clue about what you would like to try to get into, nor understand the skills and abilities of the people you will need to make it work!
b. Have no idea about crew rescource management!
c. No idea about regulations or the concept of "Duty of Care"!
It will end in tears.....
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Letsby Avenue
Thankyou for retiring. As the industry cleanses its self of you Bristow style Pilots we will all be better off. It is the inefficient practices that stem from your part in history that draged the top end of the industry down.
Thankyou all for your private massages. Please, we will not be recruiting until June.
A big thanks to all that have provided private massages on the role of crewmen. On the basis of your response we have decided not to employ any air crewmen. We are going to use co-pilots instead. As you collectively made clear, an air crewman’s role is that of a co-pilot with the addition of hoist operation. The pay (food) is the same for both. So we figure we may as well use people with real aviation qualifications.
Spinwing
We figure aviation knowledge in the cockpit is more valuables than surf savvy. We feel this will improve CRM and show an enhanced duty of care over the current operators.
Letsby Avenue
Please explain your perception and the correlation between high pilot/crew pay and safety. Are you thinking clearly? Or is your own ambition getting in the way?
Another question for all.
What is a reasonable period to bond a pilot after a 412 endorsement?
Please consider in your responses that we will be using low time pilots and endorsements may take up to five hours. Very expensive!
Thankyou for retiring. As the industry cleanses its self of you Bristow style Pilots we will all be better off. It is the inefficient practices that stem from your part in history that draged the top end of the industry down.
Thankyou all for your private massages. Please, we will not be recruiting until June.
A big thanks to all that have provided private massages on the role of crewmen. On the basis of your response we have decided not to employ any air crewmen. We are going to use co-pilots instead. As you collectively made clear, an air crewman’s role is that of a co-pilot with the addition of hoist operation. The pay (food) is the same for both. So we figure we may as well use people with real aviation qualifications.
Spinwing
We figure aviation knowledge in the cockpit is more valuables than surf savvy. We feel this will improve CRM and show an enhanced duty of care over the current operators.
Letsby Avenue
Please explain your perception and the correlation between high pilot/crew pay and safety. Are you thinking clearly? Or is your own ambition getting in the way?
Another question for all.
What is a reasonable period to bond a pilot after a 412 endorsement?
Please consider in your responses that we will be using low time pilots and endorsements may take up to five hours. Very expensive!
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Hi Gimble
Basically in Oz there is no bonding requirement. A pilot can quit the day after he has been endorsed, in fact I know a few who have done that.
A 412 command endorsement is 10 hours plus icus for vfr or ifr charter. The co-pilot gets a 5 hour endorsement.
I'm a bit out of touch but I believe those are still the requirements.
Good luck.
Basically in Oz there is no bonding requirement. A pilot can quit the day after he has been endorsed, in fact I know a few who have done that.
A 412 command endorsement is 10 hours plus icus for vfr or ifr charter. The co-pilot gets a 5 hour endorsement.
I'm a bit out of touch but I believe those are still the requirements.
Good luck.
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Gimbo,
You seem to be on the right lines now.
A) "aviation knowledge in the cockpit is valuable" - yep, can't argue with that
B) "Crew/Co-pilots - The pay (food) is the same for both" - are you not going to give them some cash recognition, or is it really just food they are working for? Pay peanuts => get monkeys.
C) "bonding with pilots" - go careful here. Many countries have laws against having a question about sexuality on an application form. Unless of course you only plan to recruit from the San Francisco area?
D) "we will be using low time pilots" - good tactic. This is also known as "your true colors"
E) "We are expecting to fly 2.05 hours per day". maths lesson coming up. That's an average, right? So there will be some days you fly more than 2.05, and some days you fliy less. Some days you may fly 5 or 6 hours even. Now, you don't mention air-to-air refuelling, so you need to make sure these hours are only being flown near airports (for filling up...).
You are on the right lines. It's clear that you will need a new pilot for each mission due to the previous one falling out with the management.
Good luck - an remember "safety is no accident".
You seem to be on the right lines now.
A) "aviation knowledge in the cockpit is valuable" - yep, can't argue with that
B) "Crew/Co-pilots - The pay (food) is the same for both" - are you not going to give them some cash recognition, or is it really just food they are working for? Pay peanuts => get monkeys.
C) "bonding with pilots" - go careful here. Many countries have laws against having a question about sexuality on an application form. Unless of course you only plan to recruit from the San Francisco area?
D) "we will be using low time pilots" - good tactic. This is also known as "your true colors"
E) "We are expecting to fly 2.05 hours per day". maths lesson coming up. That's an average, right? So there will be some days you fly more than 2.05, and some days you fliy less. Some days you may fly 5 or 6 hours even. Now, you don't mention air-to-air refuelling, so you need to make sure these hours are only being flown near airports (for filling up...).
You are on the right lines. It's clear that you will need a new pilot for each mission due to the previous one falling out with the management.
Good luck - an remember "safety is no accident".