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From here ;
"Ecclestone reportedly wanted £8.9 million from the BRDC but was thought to have been offered a figure around £3 million less than that, which BRDC chief executive Alex Hooton said was based on "sane economics".
" He has omitted the race, which this year was a 100,000 sell-out, from his provisional 2005 calendar."
With a list of ticket prices forecast for the 2005 Silverstone event, from this source being;
Gold 1-Abbey (Fri-Sun) £219.00
Gold 1-Club (Fri-Sun) £219.00
Gold 1-Copse E (Fri-Sun) £219.00
Gold 1-Stowe A/B/C (Fri-Sun) £219.00
Gold 2-Becketts Outside (Fri-Sun) £249.00
Gold 2-Copse D (Fri-Sun) £249.00
Gold 2-Hangar (Fri-Sun) £249.00
Gold 3-Copse B (Fri-Sun) £259.00
Gold 3-Luffield A/B/C (Fri-Sun) £259.00
Gold 3-Pit Straight 1/A (Fri-Sun) £259.00
Gold 3-Woodcote A/B (Fri-Sun) £259.00
Gold 4-Pit Straight A (Fri-Sun) £299.00
Gold 4-Pit Straight B (Fri-Sun) £299.00
Gold 4-Copse A (Fri-Sun) £299.00
Gold 1/2/3/4-Child (Fri-Sun) £159.00
Silver-Bridge Enclosure (Fri-Sun) £189.00
Silver-Farm Enclosure (Fri-Sun) £189.00
Silver-Child Bridge/Farm Enclosure (Fri-Sun) £99.00
Bronze-General Admission (Fri-Sun) £149.00
Bronze-Child General Admission (Fri-Sun) £79.00
VIP Silverstone Club (Fri-Sun) £429.00
Even if all the sellout 100,000 crowd just came in as general admissions children @ £79 that brings in £7.9 million.
With the average ticket price being £189.50 this gives the BRDC the princely sum of £18.95 million.
If the BRDC gave BE what he wanted, where does the other £10 million plus go?
By the way, marshals get paid purely the pleasure of being involved, not even a cup of tomato soup!
For Rockingham, read Indianapolis without the woopin' and a hollerin' !
"Ecclestone reportedly wanted £8.9 million from the BRDC but was thought to have been offered a figure around £3 million less than that, which BRDC chief executive Alex Hooton said was based on "sane economics".
" He has omitted the race, which this year was a 100,000 sell-out, from his provisional 2005 calendar."
With a list of ticket prices forecast for the 2005 Silverstone event, from this source being;
Gold 1-Abbey (Fri-Sun) £219.00
Gold 1-Club (Fri-Sun) £219.00
Gold 1-Copse E (Fri-Sun) £219.00
Gold 1-Stowe A/B/C (Fri-Sun) £219.00
Gold 2-Becketts Outside (Fri-Sun) £249.00
Gold 2-Copse D (Fri-Sun) £249.00
Gold 2-Hangar (Fri-Sun) £249.00
Gold 3-Copse B (Fri-Sun) £259.00
Gold 3-Luffield A/B/C (Fri-Sun) £259.00
Gold 3-Pit Straight 1/A (Fri-Sun) £259.00
Gold 3-Woodcote A/B (Fri-Sun) £259.00
Gold 4-Pit Straight A (Fri-Sun) £299.00
Gold 4-Pit Straight B (Fri-Sun) £299.00
Gold 4-Copse A (Fri-Sun) £299.00
Gold 1/2/3/4-Child (Fri-Sun) £159.00
Silver-Bridge Enclosure (Fri-Sun) £189.00
Silver-Farm Enclosure (Fri-Sun) £189.00
Silver-Child Bridge/Farm Enclosure (Fri-Sun) £99.00
Bronze-General Admission (Fri-Sun) £149.00
Bronze-Child General Admission (Fri-Sun) £79.00
VIP Silverstone Club (Fri-Sun) £429.00
Even if all the sellout 100,000 crowd just came in as general admissions children @ £79 that brings in £7.9 million.
With the average ticket price being £189.50 this gives the BRDC the princely sum of £18.95 million.
If the BRDC gave BE what he wanted, where does the other £10 million plus go?
By the way, marshals get paid purely the pleasure of being involved, not even a cup of tomato soup!
For Rockingham, read Indianapolis without the woopin' and a hollerin' !
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SiloeSid: Good figures. Good question. You're not related to Silverstone Sid, are you ?
FL : "If they hadn't been so wrapped up in their enthusiasm for the sport, they would have realised his deals weren't quite as attractive as they appeared."
That reads like at least partial blame to me.
Meanwhile, back in rotorworld.
FL : "If they hadn't been so wrapped up in their enthusiasm for the sport, they would have realised his deals weren't quite as attractive as they appeared."
That reads like at least partial blame to me.
Meanwhile, back in rotorworld.
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headsethair
My attempt at irony obviously failed.
You're not partly American are you?
I meant they were wrapped up in going motor-racing (a passion for the sport); he set up the schemes to make his fortune out of the sport.
(Still nothing to do with the Ecclestone v BRDC dispute.)
Sid
A businessman could answer your question about where the money goes far better than I can. Costs which occur to me off the top of my head include:
providing the infrastructure for a Grand Prix (and not just for the public days at the weekend),
wages of additional security/medical/emergency and other staff,
insurance premiums (especially public liability given the nature of the sport),
servicing the debts incurred in maintaining the circuit, constantly improving facilities, making changes required by F1.
Silverstone, like many other circuits, was a former wartime airfield. Whatever its shortcomings, compare its facilities with any of the other converted wartime airfields where virtually nothing is been spent other than on (occasionally) resurfacing the tarmac.
When I raced Formula Renault, we went around the various circuits as part of the Touring Cars 'circus'. Facilities at every other circuit varied between basic and non-existent, and even the track could have benefitted from resurfacing. egSnetterton, Thruxton, Pembrey. Brands was way ahead of the others, but still far behind Silverstone. It all costs major money.
The fact is the BRDC is a club, the objectives of which include promoting the interests of British motorsport, furthering the interests of British drivers competing abroad and giving financial assistance to young British 'stars of tomorrow' to help them further their driving careers.
I realise some people think such high ideals are old-fashioned and have no place in the modern world where 'sport' is now part of the multi-billion dollar entertainment business. They might think a club run by unpaid volunteers, whatever their or it's history, ought to face reality and give up trying to hold a Grand Prix in Britain because the club simply can't afford it.
Maybe they're right? It's an arguable point of view, and one which Bernie Ecclestone holds, but I'd be very sad to see it happen.
My attempt at irony obviously failed.
You're not partly American are you?
I meant they were wrapped up in going motor-racing (a passion for the sport); he set up the schemes to make his fortune out of the sport.
(Still nothing to do with the Ecclestone v BRDC dispute.)
Sid
A businessman could answer your question about where the money goes far better than I can. Costs which occur to me off the top of my head include:
providing the infrastructure for a Grand Prix (and not just for the public days at the weekend),
wages of additional security/medical/emergency and other staff,
insurance premiums (especially public liability given the nature of the sport),
servicing the debts incurred in maintaining the circuit, constantly improving facilities, making changes required by F1.
Silverstone, like many other circuits, was a former wartime airfield. Whatever its shortcomings, compare its facilities with any of the other converted wartime airfields where virtually nothing is been spent other than on (occasionally) resurfacing the tarmac.
When I raced Formula Renault, we went around the various circuits as part of the Touring Cars 'circus'. Facilities at every other circuit varied between basic and non-existent, and even the track could have benefitted from resurfacing. egSnetterton, Thruxton, Pembrey. Brands was way ahead of the others, but still far behind Silverstone. It all costs major money.
The fact is the BRDC is a club, the objectives of which include promoting the interests of British motorsport, furthering the interests of British drivers competing abroad and giving financial assistance to young British 'stars of tomorrow' to help them further their driving careers.
I realise some people think such high ideals are old-fashioned and have no place in the modern world where 'sport' is now part of the multi-billion dollar entertainment business. They might think a club run by unpaid volunteers, whatever their or it's history, ought to face reality and give up trying to hold a Grand Prix in Britain because the club simply can't afford it.
Maybe they're right? It's an arguable point of view, and one which Bernie Ecclestone holds, but I'd be very sad to see it happen.
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FlyingLawyer, interesting you should say;
"The fact is the BRDC is a club, the objectives of which include promoting the interests of British motorsport, furthering the interests of British drivers competing abroad and giving financial assistance to young British 'stars of tomorrow' to help them further their driving careers."
The Royal Automobile Club also has the interests of motorsport at heart;
In April 1900, Claude Johnson organised the 1000 Miles Trial. This event more than any other put motoring on the map as far as Britain was concerned.
In 1905, the Club organised the first Tourist Trophy (TT) race. This is therefore the oldest race regularly run. The Club became the governing body for motor sport in Britain.
The Club has long had the interests of the private motorist at heart and campaigned vigorously for the 1903 Motor Act, which increased speed limits and removed other restrictive legislation.
In 1905, it introduced driving certificates, a responsibility which was not to be taken over by the government for another thirty years.
In 1913, Woodcote Park near Epsom racecourse, was purchased as a Country Club.
In 1926, it organised the first British Grand Prix at Brooklands.
The link between the Royal Automobile Club and motorsport is undisputable, however, please visit the website and see for yourself where perhaps the membership money goes !
I for one cancelled my RAC membership (£201) as I was told by the 'office', you're not a full member of the RAC despite what it says on you card. Hence; not eligible for any share handout, unlike the full members (£604), funnily enough a lot of whom are the BRDC gang!
What has this to do with the BRDC?
Where does all their money go?
The aim of the BRDC, I put to you, is much as it was when it started; taken from;
Promote interests, celebrate, hospitality and further the interests abroad....the old boys club.
I don't mean this to be a dig at the BRDC, however when there is so much bleating going on about how the Gov't needs to help them out, as other countries do it's a bit hard being no being sceptical as to the true motivation.
For now it seems that baiting BE is the name of the game as he seems to meet the membership criteria, but they won't allow him in.
Keeps your friends close, but your enemies even closer.
"The fact is the BRDC is a club, the objectives of which include promoting the interests of British motorsport, furthering the interests of British drivers competing abroad and giving financial assistance to young British 'stars of tomorrow' to help them further their driving careers."
The Royal Automobile Club also has the interests of motorsport at heart;
In April 1900, Claude Johnson organised the 1000 Miles Trial. This event more than any other put motoring on the map as far as Britain was concerned.
In 1905, the Club organised the first Tourist Trophy (TT) race. This is therefore the oldest race regularly run. The Club became the governing body for motor sport in Britain.
The Club has long had the interests of the private motorist at heart and campaigned vigorously for the 1903 Motor Act, which increased speed limits and removed other restrictive legislation.
In 1905, it introduced driving certificates, a responsibility which was not to be taken over by the government for another thirty years.
In 1913, Woodcote Park near Epsom racecourse, was purchased as a Country Club.
In 1926, it organised the first British Grand Prix at Brooklands.
The link between the Royal Automobile Club and motorsport is undisputable, however, please visit the website and see for yourself where perhaps the membership money goes !
I for one cancelled my RAC membership (£201) as I was told by the 'office', you're not a full member of the RAC despite what it says on you card. Hence; not eligible for any share handout, unlike the full members (£604), funnily enough a lot of whom are the BRDC gang!
What has this to do with the BRDC?
Where does all their money go?
The aim of the BRDC, I put to you, is much as it was when it started; taken from;
The founder of the BRDC, Dr. J. D. Benjafield, one of the famed 'Bentley Boys' at Le Mans, was keen to organise dinner parties after races for his friends and drivers. It was these dinner parties which were the seeds from which grew the highly prestigious and much respected British Racing Drivers' Club that we know today.
The Club was inaugurated in April 1928, with twenty-five members and a clear set of objectives. These were to promote the interests of motor sport generally; to celebrate any specific performance in motor sport; to extend hospitality to racing drivers from overseas; and to further the interests of British drivers competing abroad.
The Club was inaugurated in April 1928, with twenty-five members and a clear set of objectives. These were to promote the interests of motor sport generally; to celebrate any specific performance in motor sport; to extend hospitality to racing drivers from overseas; and to further the interests of British drivers competing abroad.
I don't mean this to be a dig at the BRDC, however when there is so much bleating going on about how the Gov't needs to help them out, as other countries do it's a bit hard being no being sceptical as to the true motivation.
For now it seems that baiting BE is the name of the game as he seems to meet the membership criteria, but they won't allow him in.
Keeps your friends close, but your enemies even closer.
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Ladies and Gents
Whilst all of the above is interesting, I refer you to the original question that I posed, namely how will the loss of the British GP affect the UK Helicopter Operators and, therefore, both current professional pilots and future wannabees.
If my original figures are correct (and as nobody has disputed them I have to assume that they are there or there abouts), then surely this decision will have severe repercussions in the future.
Whether or not people agree with the BRDC or Ecclestone is, in this instance, immaterial. It's what will happen to the the helicopter industry that is surely more important?
Whilst all of the above is interesting, I refer you to the original question that I posed, namely how will the loss of the British GP affect the UK Helicopter Operators and, therefore, both current professional pilots and future wannabees.
If my original figures are correct (and as nobody has disputed them I have to assume that they are there or there abouts), then surely this decision will have severe repercussions in the future.
Whether or not people agree with the BRDC or Ecclestone is, in this instance, immaterial. It's what will happen to the the helicopter industry that is surely more important?
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Ladies and Gents,
First let me say, that this is one of the better debates I have come across on this forum.
Secondly, that I believe there is no doubt that that the removal of a British Grand Prix will severely hurt the helicopter industry in the UK.
Thirdly, there is absolutely no doubt that there will be a British Grand Prix in 2005. If not at Silverstone, then somewhere else.
Hence no overall damage to the UK Helicopter industry!
Time for contact negotiations. Who is calling whose bluff?
First let me say, that this is one of the better debates I have come across on this forum.
Secondly, that I believe there is no doubt that that the removal of a British Grand Prix will severely hurt the helicopter industry in the UK.
Thirdly, there is absolutely no doubt that there will be a British Grand Prix in 2005. If not at Silverstone, then somewhere else.
Hence no overall damage to the UK Helicopter industry!
Time for contact negotiations. Who is calling whose bluff?
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Jed,
I think we agree that if Silverstone is off for 2005 then there is nowhere in the UK that can come up to scratch in time for the July 10th weekend.
It's not just a matter of location, which itself has to be FIA approved, of which there is nowhere else in the UK, but the whole shooting match involved with the 'circus' coming to town. A good couple of years planning and restructuring would be needed as opposed to simply a quick venue change!
So of course this will have an effect to the industry especially if some companies rely on the F1 weekend so much.
SS
I think we agree that if Silverstone is off for 2005 then there is nowhere in the UK that can come up to scratch in time for the July 10th weekend.
It's not just a matter of location, which itself has to be FIA approved, of which there is nowhere else in the UK, but the whole shooting match involved with the 'circus' coming to town. A good couple of years planning and restructuring would be needed as opposed to simply a quick venue change!
So of course this will have an effect to the industry especially if some companies rely on the F1 weekend so much.
SS
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the british gp cant run anywhere else, doni is the only real competition in the uk but it would need a fair amount done to it to get it up to scratch, as would the approach roads etc,
rockingham, very nice idea, but needs to be managed better to get the full potential out of the place, but not up to f1 spec.
the london display, well what a waste of time and road racing wont be back on the mainland again. although it would be nice,
like i say i reckon it will be on at silverstone once the bickering has finished.
(and as for marshals, good fun but dont bother with the bmmc. its a good way to see racing without paying for a ticket)
rockingham, very nice idea, but needs to be managed better to get the full potential out of the place, but not up to f1 spec.
the london display, well what a waste of time and road racing wont be back on the mainland again. although it would be nice,
like i say i reckon it will be on at silverstone once the bickering has finished.
(and as for marshals, good fun but dont bother with the bmmc. its a good way to see racing without paying for a ticket)
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Most people seem to think this is a F1 bulletin board, having failed to read the original question. 
Of course the lack of a British GP would affect the British helicopter industry, but if any company relies on that event for survival, then "commercial pressures" will ensure they fall by the wayside and leave the better-run companies flying. I suspect we may lose one or two in this way. Natural Selection, Suvival of the Fittest, call it what you will.
Of course the lack of a British GP would affect the British helicopter industry, but if any company relies on that event for survival, then "commercial pressures" will ensure they fall by the wayside and leave the better-run companies flying. I suspect we may lose one or two in this way. Natural Selection, Suvival of the Fittest, call it what you will.
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Good debate even if it is slightly off the point. The answer to the question asked is that there will be an effect on the Heli industry if the GBGP is cancelled, however it will be significantly less than had it occured even 5 years ago.
Headsethair: 'You are so wrong' does not consitute a reasoned arguement when a person is expressing an opinion!!
The fact of the matter is that Ecclestone has already been paid a settlement for the hosting of the event (reported as circa £60million) and thus he is actually looking to be paid twice.
Bernie may have modernised F1 and turned it into a commercial machine but to what end?? Is the racing better than it was 15 years ago?
Silverstone, Spa, Imola all under pressure from a new breed of super circuit. What next, Monaco?
Headsethair: 'You are so wrong' does not consitute a reasoned arguement when a person is expressing an opinion!!
The fact of the matter is that Ecclestone has already been paid a settlement for the hosting of the event (reported as circa £60million) and thus he is actually looking to be paid twice.
Bernie may have modernised F1 and turned it into a commercial machine but to what end?? Is the racing better than it was 15 years ago?
Silverstone, Spa, Imola all under pressure from a new breed of super circuit. What next, Monaco?
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Bernie may have modernised F1 and turned it into a commercial machine but to what end??
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If you are a helicopter company worried about the F1 etc then why in hell don't you get across the water and do business in Euroland. It's a big place now and lots of untapped revenues. Please don't comment on how difficult it could be, just go out and make a market.
BE has made money sure, but he has taken F1 along where it would have failed. Enough said on this extended debate.
BE has made money sure, but he has taken F1 along where it would have failed. Enough said on this extended debate.
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According to the D.Mail it seems that the British Govt will be making up the gap and paying for the GP to be on the 2005 calendar.
So the helicopter industry it seems just had a close shave on this one.
Does this mean that us humble tax payers will get a discount, not that I would go anyway. How do non F1 fans feel about their money going there.
I would like to go on about the BRDC dinner club lining their pockets once more, thanks to the Govt, but at least it's good for the local economy to the tune apparently, in the region of £14mill.
Final announcement due tomorrow.
So the helicopter industry it seems just had a close shave on this one.
Does this mean that us humble tax payers will get a discount, not that I would go anyway. How do non F1 fans feel about their money going there.
I would like to go on about the BRDC dinner club lining their pockets once more, thanks to the Govt, but at least it's good for the local economy to the tune apparently, in the region of £14mill.
Final announcement due tomorrow.
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Talks Breakdown.
according to the BBC breakfast news this morning the talks have fallen down and there will be no British Grand Prix in 2005.
Oh well....better start planning the BBQ and drinks for the weekend off.
according to the BBC breakfast news this morning the talks have fallen down and there will be no British Grand Prix in 2005.
Oh well....better start planning the BBQ and drinks for the weekend off.
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Silverstone GP Heli Ops
Hi,
Im looking for a bit of information re the helicopter operations for the British Grand Prix.
Can you tell me (by PM's if you prefer) who looks after / is responsible for the operations of the Silverstone Heliports during the GP weekend and ATC at the Heliport during that period.
Also Im looking for details of some of the companies who operate into there and the different types they operate, would ideally like a range of types ie. Singles & twin along with some of the heavier types that also operate shuttles, such as the Puma.
Any help would be most welcome, and please excuse me if I dont reply right away as I only get to log in about once a week..
And one final question whilst I think about it, are any of the other large public spectator events as busy with rotary operations - Cowes, Henley Regatta, Cheltenham Gold Cup etc etc. Ive experienced the GP first hand but not the others.
Thanks again.
Im looking for a bit of information re the helicopter operations for the British Grand Prix.
Can you tell me (by PM's if you prefer) who looks after / is responsible for the operations of the Silverstone Heliports during the GP weekend and ATC at the Heliport during that period.
Also Im looking for details of some of the companies who operate into there and the different types they operate, would ideally like a range of types ie. Singles & twin along with some of the heavier types that also operate shuttles, such as the Puma.
Any help would be most welcome, and please excuse me if I dont reply right away as I only get to log in about once a week..
And one final question whilst I think about it, are any of the other large public spectator events as busy with rotary operations - Cowes, Henley Regatta, Cheltenham Gold Cup etc etc. Ive experienced the GP first hand but not the others.
Thanks again.