Tsunami Disaster Relief - More photographs
Fantastic job over there guys. Well done all. Love the photos Nev.
Re the Steve comments, I agree in principle with Steve (though the nationality stuff is a bit much mate), but perhaps it needs to be said with a tad more diplomacy, and both sides might give a little?
Longline is the most efficient method of transportation for these situations. Hills, falt land, flood, terrain, and other factors included. Longline enables the machine to stay up and out of the danger areas, it keeps the tail and main rotors well off the ground, it reduces the downwash issues (particularly important in such debris littered areas) and it makes rushing the aircraft an impossibility. It allows the pilot to maintain visual on load put downs and pick ups reducing the chances of injury to loaders and especially the anxious recipients. It allows the load to be well away from the aircraft should it not fly correctly. It allows more weight per turn due to the probability of food aid bulking out the cargo area before exceeding the weight capability of the aircraft (particularly for the Black Hawk and Chinook. And it allows a vast reduction in turn times. All bonuses.
As for the loading issues, it is not hard to rig the line with a remote hook (and all specialist longliners would have this capability). Nets are prepped in the loading area by non trained guys under supervision of a trained load master (for weight, dynamics, etc) and then the helicopter positions over the load at over 100ft. The nets are rigged and connected such that at the delivery end when the remote release is activated only one side of the net releases. With a multi channel capable system, you can use one activation to relaease one side of the net, and a second could release the whole net if needed. A very gentle pull up allows the goods to gently leave the net, and the aircraft returns to base with the net and remote hook weighing the line down. If using a keflar or synthetic line, then you could land and gather the line in somewhere remote, then return. Upon return, you set the the empty net down ready to be reloaded, move across and you are away with the next net in under 2 minutes. Jobs requiring multiple drops could simply be achieved by smaller helicopters releasing the larger ones for the higher tonnages.
Using this method, the aircraft only requires a pilot and loadmaster as opposed to the four or five required by the military system creating a much smaller logistic tail for support personnel.
To give a personal example a civilian Kiwi pilot Steve Robertson was flying a 206L in East Timor for Hevilift in about 1999 when there was a severe flood in West Timor. In one day, working next to a Portugese Military Super Puma, Steve and his loadmaster achieved almost 20,000 kg of rice moved, and even stopped on a return trip to dunk the empty line into a swollen river to rescue a bloke he noticed struggling in the floodwaters and pulled him to shore! The Super Puma moved just under 21,000 kg in the same period (and no river rescues).
The military do not practice long lining as a rule because doing a 100 or 200 ft line is liable to get you shot out of the sky in a tactical environment. BIG minuses!! So when they get to a disaster area like this one, they have to rely on belly hook and internal load, and they do a great job of it. They can bring a logistics support chain to the party like no civilian is able to do in terms of fuel, engineering, protection, communications, operations, and coordination centres.
So the Military are invaluable in meeting the intial requirements of such disaster, establishing staging points, planning action strategies, ensuring logistics flows, base operations facilities, refuel points, and even mapping and appreciation of the overall requirements. But once these issues are overcome, only then do I agree with Steve, a civilian operator can do the load moving part of the operation more efficiently. Not "better" but more efficient. Ideally, the civvies work under the direct guidance of the established military infrastructure in the same way a fork lift might slot into operations - a means by which they can achieve load movement at max efficiency whilst using the fewest human and material resources. The released military aircraft can get on with the command and liasion aspects, recces, protection, troop movement, and reaching untouched areas to establish response plans. All stuff they can achieve much more efficiently.
In short, the Military are doing a fantastic job, and maybe they could increase effectiveness now by employing load shifting specialists.
Re the Steve comments, I agree in principle with Steve (though the nationality stuff is a bit much mate), but perhaps it needs to be said with a tad more diplomacy, and both sides might give a little?
Longline is the most efficient method of transportation for these situations. Hills, falt land, flood, terrain, and other factors included. Longline enables the machine to stay up and out of the danger areas, it keeps the tail and main rotors well off the ground, it reduces the downwash issues (particularly important in such debris littered areas) and it makes rushing the aircraft an impossibility. It allows the pilot to maintain visual on load put downs and pick ups reducing the chances of injury to loaders and especially the anxious recipients. It allows the load to be well away from the aircraft should it not fly correctly. It allows more weight per turn due to the probability of food aid bulking out the cargo area before exceeding the weight capability of the aircraft (particularly for the Black Hawk and Chinook. And it allows a vast reduction in turn times. All bonuses.
As for the loading issues, it is not hard to rig the line with a remote hook (and all specialist longliners would have this capability). Nets are prepped in the loading area by non trained guys under supervision of a trained load master (for weight, dynamics, etc) and then the helicopter positions over the load at over 100ft. The nets are rigged and connected such that at the delivery end when the remote release is activated only one side of the net releases. With a multi channel capable system, you can use one activation to relaease one side of the net, and a second could release the whole net if needed. A very gentle pull up allows the goods to gently leave the net, and the aircraft returns to base with the net and remote hook weighing the line down. If using a keflar or synthetic line, then you could land and gather the line in somewhere remote, then return. Upon return, you set the the empty net down ready to be reloaded, move across and you are away with the next net in under 2 minutes. Jobs requiring multiple drops could simply be achieved by smaller helicopters releasing the larger ones for the higher tonnages.
Using this method, the aircraft only requires a pilot and loadmaster as opposed to the four or five required by the military system creating a much smaller logistic tail for support personnel.
To give a personal example a civilian Kiwi pilot Steve Robertson was flying a 206L in East Timor for Hevilift in about 1999 when there was a severe flood in West Timor. In one day, working next to a Portugese Military Super Puma, Steve and his loadmaster achieved almost 20,000 kg of rice moved, and even stopped on a return trip to dunk the empty line into a swollen river to rescue a bloke he noticed struggling in the floodwaters and pulled him to shore! The Super Puma moved just under 21,000 kg in the same period (and no river rescues).
The military do not practice long lining as a rule because doing a 100 or 200 ft line is liable to get you shot out of the sky in a tactical environment. BIG minuses!! So when they get to a disaster area like this one, they have to rely on belly hook and internal load, and they do a great job of it. They can bring a logistics support chain to the party like no civilian is able to do in terms of fuel, engineering, protection, communications, operations, and coordination centres.
So the Military are invaluable in meeting the intial requirements of such disaster, establishing staging points, planning action strategies, ensuring logistics flows, base operations facilities, refuel points, and even mapping and appreciation of the overall requirements. But once these issues are overcome, only then do I agree with Steve, a civilian operator can do the load moving part of the operation more efficiently. Not "better" but more efficient. Ideally, the civvies work under the direct guidance of the established military infrastructure in the same way a fork lift might slot into operations - a means by which they can achieve load movement at max efficiency whilst using the fewest human and material resources. The released military aircraft can get on with the command and liasion aspects, recces, protection, troop movement, and reaching untouched areas to establish response plans. All stuff they can achieve much more efficiently.
In short, the Military are doing a fantastic job, and maybe they could increase effectiveness now by employing load shifting specialists.
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What military are you referring to!!!!
I think if you spent some time with the Royal Navy or RAF on real rescues you might have a different outlook on what they do, long lining is an art, but it pales in comparison to what some of the rescue boys are doing.
Think about it Steve, flying in horrendous conditions in the N Sea or Atlantic to a lone Trawler, getting the crew aboard and then trying to get back to the nearest point on land before the low level lights come on.
I have worked with some great long line pilots in Canada, probably the best in the industry, some would say, but put them in an IFR 61 or 332 out of Halifax or in the North Sea and they were lost.
Why don't you give some respect to people like yourself, who are out there doing the job to the best of their abilities.
What military are you referring to!!!!
I think if you spent some time with the Royal Navy or RAF on real rescues you might have a different outlook on what they do, long lining is an art, but it pales in comparison to what some of the rescue boys are doing.
Think about it Steve, flying in horrendous conditions in the N Sea or Atlantic to a lone Trawler, getting the crew aboard and then trying to get back to the nearest point on land before the low level lights come on.
I have worked with some great long line pilots in Canada, probably the best in the industry, some would say, but put them in an IFR 61 or 332 out of Halifax or in the North Sea and they were lost.
Why don't you give some respect to people like yourself, who are out there doing the job to the best of their abilities.
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Brunei hueys in Aceh
Watching ITV news earlier this evening i see that the Indonesian government have changed their mind in letting the UK help them with the relief effort.
Originally they would not allow any British forces to help in the search for bodies or relief transport to the area with Chatham and Dilligence being confined to Sri Lanka and lettting the USN do the majority of the relief transport in Aceh.
However, the Indonesian Government have had a change of heart and allowed the AAC to provide the Bells currently based in Brunei to provide air support for the aid effort in the province.
An ITV crew were allowed onboard the Hueys as they (two of) provided aid supplies to the hard hit province. All the crews are apparently on leave and put their names forward to help anyway they could. So, officially being on 'holiday' they are now flying in and out of the area several times daily providing much needed help. Looking at the footage, a few land rovers ae also present in transfering personnel and aid to and from the helo's.
Brilliant to see our AAC boys helping out aswell as the RN in the Indian Ocean. Was really good seeing this footage, especially the interview with the AAC guys out there from Brunei who are on their holidays and have cancelled this to go and help.
Originally they would not allow any British forces to help in the search for bodies or relief transport to the area with Chatham and Dilligence being confined to Sri Lanka and lettting the USN do the majority of the relief transport in Aceh.
However, the Indonesian Government have had a change of heart and allowed the AAC to provide the Bells currently based in Brunei to provide air support for the aid effort in the province.
An ITV crew were allowed onboard the Hueys as they (two of) provided aid supplies to the hard hit province. All the crews are apparently on leave and put their names forward to help anyway they could. So, officially being on 'holiday' they are now flying in and out of the area several times daily providing much needed help. Looking at the footage, a few land rovers ae also present in transfering personnel and aid to and from the helo's.
Brilliant to see our AAC boys helping out aswell as the RN in the Indian Ocean. Was really good seeing this footage, especially the interview with the AAC guys out there from Brunei who are on their holidays and have cancelled this to go and help.
Thanks Ned for getting the pics back to us 'outsiders' here in the UK. You've earned honourary membership on here for life!
Both MIL and CIVVY operators out there - job (most professionally) well done - just have those pangs of guilt/jealousy not being involved
Both MIL and CIVVY operators out there - job (most professionally) well done - just have those pangs of guilt/jealousy not being involved
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Oh Steve don't take your bat and ball and go home! Your posts are normally great; maybe you are just having a bad week at work this week.
I do agree with your points re long lining and I think that helmet fire summed it up beautifully. However if you don't have the specialized gear it becomes a bit harder (eg. how do you get your nets and strops back?). With big stuff like a water purification plant you are probably going to have to land to set the thing up or drop off someone who will. No argument that long lining is very efficient if you have the good gear and if you are moving bulk goods. Efficient but not always necessary.
No doubt the military guys there are working their guts out and doing the best they can with the equipment they have (and doing a sterling job from what I've seen). I think it's a bit rough to be critisizing them when sitting in front of your nice dry and clean computer and then spit the chewy when some one has a dig back at you
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I do agree with your points re long lining and I think that helmet fire summed it up beautifully. However if you don't have the specialized gear it becomes a bit harder (eg. how do you get your nets and strops back?). With big stuff like a water purification plant you are probably going to have to land to set the thing up or drop off someone who will. No argument that long lining is very efficient if you have the good gear and if you are moving bulk goods. Efficient but not always necessary.
No doubt the military guys there are working their guts out and doing the best they can with the equipment they have (and doing a sterling job from what I've seen). I think it's a bit rough to be critisizing them when sitting in front of your nice dry and clean computer and then spit the chewy when some one has a dig back at you
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Bandar Aceh Ops
The day of the new helicopter procedures came and it was chaotic, but it [sort of] worked. The initial problem was that the pilot's info packs did not come ashore from the carrier until well after flying had commenced on the day, and it was a foggy start as well. By midday most helicopters seemed to have got the idea, although certain continental army of the air formations seemed totally oblivious to the procedures and unable to understand the clear and concise Ozzie ATC instructions. There was much frustration in the tower as helicopters infringed the fixed wing pattern, acknowleged ATC instructions and then totally disregarded them. At the end of the day there were no accidents and the new traffic pattern is much safer, once everyone is using it properly.
I have a copy of the new helicopter procedures for Bandar Aceh airport, which includes all the reporting points down to Meulaboh, the altitudes to be used, radio calls to be made, frequencies for loading areas etc etc. It is ESSENTIAL that anyone who plans to arrive in the area in a helicopter, or in a fixed wing operating at helicopter levels, is aware of these. The sky along the north west coast of Sumatra is black with aviation machinery, considerable caution is required.
Please feel free to P.M. me if you need a briefing. Anyone using a Garmin 295/III+/V I can let you have the file to download to your unit which contains most of the info, although I make no guarantee of its accuracy!
Some of us are lucky enough to be TCAS equipped; it is a big help if all aircraft flying in the area squawk 0100 (or any code for that matter) with mode C, as this assists in collision avoidance.
If I may make some comment on the underslung load discussion (and I have stood under an S61 and hooked on loads, and I have carried one or two long line loads in my time):
The nature of the task is to supply food and water to hundreds of isolated pockets of people. Sometimes there are only a few people at each location who have set up flags to show their location. It would be totally inflexible to send a large sling load to each location.
I don't know how pre-arranged the Seahawk drops are, but it appears that an aircraft loads up and then visits several drop zones catering to the requirements of the individual groups, having determined what those requirements are by talking face to face with the recipients.
I'm sure there are some major drop zones that would benefit from sling loads, but in many places it is just not practical.
Vertalop
Thanks very much for the updates and pictures from the 'front line'.
As you can tell from the posts and the number of views of this thread (19,600+ to date), we're all very interested to learn what's going on from people helping there like you and Ned, and there are many Rotorheads ready willing and able to drop everything and come out to join you if/when more helicopter pilots are required.
Keep us posted whenever you can and, above all, fly safe.
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I have a copy of the new helicopter procedures for Bandar Aceh airport, which includes all the reporting points down to Meulaboh, the altitudes to be used, radio calls to be made, frequencies for loading areas etc etc. It is ESSENTIAL that anyone who plans to arrive in the area in a helicopter, or in a fixed wing operating at helicopter levels, is aware of these. The sky along the north west coast of Sumatra is black with aviation machinery, considerable caution is required.
Please feel free to P.M. me if you need a briefing. Anyone using a Garmin 295/III+/V I can let you have the file to download to your unit which contains most of the info, although I make no guarantee of its accuracy!
Some of us are lucky enough to be TCAS equipped; it is a big help if all aircraft flying in the area squawk 0100 (or any code for that matter) with mode C, as this assists in collision avoidance.
If I may make some comment on the underslung load discussion (and I have stood under an S61 and hooked on loads, and I have carried one or two long line loads in my time):
The nature of the task is to supply food and water to hundreds of isolated pockets of people. Sometimes there are only a few people at each location who have set up flags to show their location. It would be totally inflexible to send a large sling load to each location.
I don't know how pre-arranged the Seahawk drops are, but it appears that an aircraft loads up and then visits several drop zones catering to the requirements of the individual groups, having determined what those requirements are by talking face to face with the recipients.
I'm sure there are some major drop zones that would benefit from sling loads, but in many places it is just not practical.
Vertalop
Thanks very much for the updates and pictures from the 'front line'.
As you can tell from the posts and the number of views of this thread (19,600+ to date), we're all very interested to learn what's going on from people helping there like you and Ned, and there are many Rotorheads ready willing and able to drop everything and come out to join you if/when more helicopter pilots are required.
Keep us posted whenever you can and, above all, fly safe.
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I'm not there vertaloop, so I defer to your comments.
A small machine can be used to sling several different loads around, and release one at each point. Another small machine could be flying around with coordinators ascertaining need and managing the load placements. But that relies on coordination, good comms, etc, etc, few of which I imagine exist. What I was trying to say earlier is that the Military continue to do what you suggest, and as they establish needs, wants, and GPS locations, etc, a machine is used to long line deliver the goods with a specialist long liner because it is so much safer and more efficient. But as the military are generally in charge of these things, they may not think to use this more efficient method.
What are you doing over there Vertaloop? Thanks for the updates, it builds a good picture of the hectic effort going on over there. Keep up the good work.
A small machine can be used to sling several different loads around, and release one at each point. Another small machine could be flying around with coordinators ascertaining need and managing the load placements. But that relies on coordination, good comms, etc, etc, few of which I imagine exist. What I was trying to say earlier is that the Military continue to do what you suggest, and as they establish needs, wants, and GPS locations, etc, a machine is used to long line deliver the goods with a specialist long liner because it is so much safer and more efficient. But as the military are generally in charge of these things, they may not think to use this more efficient method.
What are you doing over there Vertaloop? Thanks for the updates, it builds a good picture of the hectic effort going on over there. Keep up the good work.
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Helicopter Scenes at Bandar Aceh
Brunei Armed Forces Blackhawks Arrive in the Fog
Sunrise on the TNI Apron
An Indonesian Registered Bell 427
Dauphin Sinks into the Mud
South African Bell 407
The Civil Apron at Bandar Aceh
The MHS S61N crew have been camping in the TNI (Indonesian Armed Forces) Hangar underneath the remains of a Hawk (?) Jet. Morning abolutions take place in a tented arrangement shared with all the TNI soldiers and leave a lot to be desired to say the least. The flying can be very frustrating with tasking snafus, fuelling delays, landing site closures due to VIP sightseeing trips, but these guys are still smiling. They represent the very best in the helicopter community and deserve every tribute.
Saturday 15 January 2005 6:45am
The good news is that they may be moving into a house with a bit of privacy and someone to do the laundry while they are out there doing the biz!
Sunrise on the TNI Apron
An Indonesian Registered Bell 427
Dauphin Sinks into the Mud
South African Bell 407
The Civil Apron at Bandar Aceh
The MHS S61N crew have been camping in the TNI (Indonesian Armed Forces) Hangar underneath the remains of a Hawk (?) Jet. Morning abolutions take place in a tented arrangement shared with all the TNI soldiers and leave a lot to be desired to say the least. The flying can be very frustrating with tasking snafus, fuelling delays, landing site closures due to VIP sightseeing trips, but these guys are still smiling. They represent the very best in the helicopter community and deserve every tribute.
Saturday 15 January 2005 6:45am
The good news is that they may be moving into a house with a bit of privacy and someone to do the laundry while they are out there doing the biz!
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Update on MHS S61 Crewing Arrangements
The MHS S61N crews (8X) who have now been in Banda Aceh for two weeks have volunteered to stay on at least until the end of the month.
I'm afraid those who have kindly volunteered to assist will have to wait a bit longer for a piece of the action.
I'm afraid those who have kindly volunteered to assist will have to wait a bit longer for a piece of the action.
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Fake tsunami plea spreads virus...
http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/17/tech...ex.htm?cnn=yes
Folks, be careful where your money goes! However, aid dollars are still needed.
Thanks for posting the warning, RD.
PPRuNe recommends donating to the Tsunami Earthquake Appeal via DEC (the Disasters Emergency Fund). Not a scam, and no problems reported.
People wishing to donate can do so on-line by clicking on the link below.
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Folks, be careful where your money goes! However, aid dollars are still needed.
Thanks for posting the warning, RD.
PPRuNe recommends donating to the Tsunami Earthquake Appeal via DEC (the Disasters Emergency Fund). Not a scam, and no problems reported.
People wishing to donate can do so on-line by clicking on the link below.
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AFP News agency
US preparing to scale down Aceh relief operations
BANDA ACEH, Indonesia
BANDA ACEH, Indonesia
- The US navy is preparing to scale down its tsunami relief operations in Aceh after three weeks of crucial helicopter missions, a senior officer said Saturday.
“We’re kind of in a transition phase right now,” Captain Larry Burt, commander of the air wing aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, told AFP. “We have not gotten orders to leave yet.”
He said command and control facilities had already been withdrawn back to the Abraham Lincoln from Aceh. “We’re reduced our footprint,” Burt said.
US helicopters are currently continuing to perform the same number of relief missions but, in preparation for a departure, the navy is providing the United Nations and militaries from other nations with information on landing zones and flight patterns, he said.
“We’re trying to get the UN helicopters and some of the other countries’ helicopters here to join in and allow us to turn it over to them so we can go.”
Since their mercy mission began at the start of January, US navy helicopters have flown more than 1,220 trips, according to Lieutenant Commander John Bernard.
The helicopters have been vital in getting aid to isolated survivors along Aceh’s west coast. Many areas are still unreachable by land with roads destroyed in the tsunamis yet to be repaired.
US marine helicopters from the USS Bonhomme Richard have also been operating further down the coast from Banda Aceh, delivering aid in and around the key town of Meulaboh.
The vessel has now left the area and has been replaced by another amphibious assault ship, the USS Essex.
Chris Lom, of the intergovernmental International Organization for Migration, said a US withdrawal even within a week’s time would ”not necessarily” create a problem for the aid distribution.
However, it would lead to a reshuffle of some aid distribution channels.
“We’ll have to start putting more stuff on boats,” said Lom, whose organization has been in charge of organizing the transport of nearly all non-military donations reaching Aceh since the December 26 tsunami.
“We’re kind of in a transition phase right now,” Captain Larry Burt, commander of the air wing aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, told AFP. “We have not gotten orders to leave yet.”
He said command and control facilities had already been withdrawn back to the Abraham Lincoln from Aceh. “We’re reduced our footprint,” Burt said.
US helicopters are currently continuing to perform the same number of relief missions but, in preparation for a departure, the navy is providing the United Nations and militaries from other nations with information on landing zones and flight patterns, he said.
“We’re trying to get the UN helicopters and some of the other countries’ helicopters here to join in and allow us to turn it over to them so we can go.”
Since their mercy mission began at the start of January, US navy helicopters have flown more than 1,220 trips, according to Lieutenant Commander John Bernard.
The helicopters have been vital in getting aid to isolated survivors along Aceh’s west coast. Many areas are still unreachable by land with roads destroyed in the tsunamis yet to be repaired.
US marine helicopters from the USS Bonhomme Richard have also been operating further down the coast from Banda Aceh, delivering aid in and around the key town of Meulaboh.
The vessel has now left the area and has been replaced by another amphibious assault ship, the USS Essex.
Chris Lom, of the intergovernmental International Organization for Migration, said a US withdrawal even within a week’s time would ”not necessarily” create a problem for the aid distribution.
However, it would lead to a reshuffle of some aid distribution channels.
“We’ll have to start putting more stuff on boats,” said Lom, whose organization has been in charge of organizing the transport of nearly all non-military donations reaching Aceh since the December 26 tsunami.
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Not to beat the point to death, but I don't think longlining can be beaten for efficiency or saftey. Maybe Steve was having a "bad" day, but his points are all practical and correct. (nationality stuff aside)
As to the military, I am sure the men and women over there are working their guts out, but the fact of the matter is that they are nowhere near as efficeint as civi operators. To the guy using to North Sea rescue arguement, flying a stablized machine overflowing with automated systems and crew can be learned. As to your long-liners who would be lost, well, I think we are all lost at the beginning of any new experience, but the hands and feet skills are already there mate.
The military were kicked off the fires in Western Canada two years ago, not properly trained for the job at hand, really lacking in capability and operational restrictions that made them near useless. Then again, I'm pretty sure if us civi guys went out buzzing around Iraq, we'd be in for some surprises too.
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As to the military, I am sure the men and women over there are working their guts out, but the fact of the matter is that they are nowhere near as efficeint as civi operators. To the guy using to North Sea rescue arguement, flying a stablized machine overflowing with automated systems and crew can be learned. As to your long-liners who would be lost, well, I think we are all lost at the beginning of any new experience, but the hands and feet skills are already there mate.
The military were kicked off the fires in Western Canada two years ago, not properly trained for the job at hand, really lacking in capability and operational restrictions that made them near useless. Then again, I'm pretty sure if us civi guys went out buzzing around Iraq, we'd be in for some surprises too.
AR
Helicopters impounded in Sri Lanka
Two helicopter parts netted at the airport
Sunday, January 23, 2005, 15:18 GMT, ColomboPage News Desk, Sri Lanka.
Jan 23, Colombo: Two unassembled helicopters, which arrived with tsunami aid supplies, have been taken into custody by airport authorities at the Bandaranaike International Airport.
Sources said the importers had not gotten Defence Ministry or Civil Aviation Authority permission and the parts were confiscated as ‘a potential threat to national security’.
They had been packed in several boxes and imported into the country, sources said. Soon after the recovery, the Air Force took over the parts until the investigation is completed.
Sunday, January 23, 2005, 15:18 GMT, ColomboPage News Desk, Sri Lanka.
Jan 23, Colombo: Two unassembled helicopters, which arrived with tsunami aid supplies, have been taken into custody by airport authorities at the Bandaranaike International Airport.
Sources said the importers had not gotten Defence Ministry or Civil Aviation Authority permission and the parts were confiscated as ‘a potential threat to national security’.
They had been packed in several boxes and imported into the country, sources said. Soon after the recovery, the Air Force took over the parts until the investigation is completed.
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Do you know what parts for what helicopter this is? I'm operating a Puma out here and I'm awaiting a windscreen (had a birdstrike last week, hit an Eagle after take off at 110 knots in the climb)
Hope we're not going to have trouble with that now. There is also a King Air 300 out here that couldn't get a 2nd transponder through customs. Seems like this is starting to become a problem.
Do you know what parts for what helicopter this is? I'm operating a Puma out here and I'm awaiting a windscreen (had a birdstrike last week, hit an Eagle after take off at 110 knots in the climb)
Hope we're not going to have trouble with that now. There is also a King Air 300 out here that couldn't get a 2nd transponder through customs. Seems like this is starting to become a problem.
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If there is a call for longlining in BA , they will not have to look very far, Pelita, the Indonesian company have an operation north of Medan on Sumatra, they operate 332s for Mobil [ I assume they are still there ]
Okanagan had a crew over there in the late 80s teaching the Pelita pilots to Longline, some of them turned out to be naturals.
When the Okie crews finished, one of the expat pilots there was selected to be the training pilot for longlining.
Any of the guys over there in Aceh seen any Pelita aitcraft, haven't heard any mention of them.
AR, The Bristow machines on SAR have autohover and all the other goodies, but I doubt if the RAF or RN Seakings have.
As you know the Military are not held in high esteem in Canadian civillian aviation circles, I was trying to point out that that is not the case in other countries.
Cheers,
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Okanagan had a crew over there in the late 80s teaching the Pelita pilots to Longline, some of them turned out to be naturals.
When the Okie crews finished, one of the expat pilots there was selected to be the training pilot for longlining.
Any of the guys over there in Aceh seen any Pelita aitcraft, haven't heard any mention of them.
AR, The Bristow machines on SAR have autohover and all the other goodies, but I doubt if the RAF or RN Seakings have.
As you know the Military are not held in high esteem in Canadian civillian aviation circles, I was trying to point out that that is not the case in other countries.
Cheers,
PR
but I doubt if the RAF or RN Seakings have
Tynecastle,
The Westland Sea King has an excellent auto hover: that's how it plies its trade as an all weather ASW platform! It followed on from the Wessex HAS1 and HAS3, both of which were also auto hover back in the mid 60's, but was a more refined and reliable piece of kit.
Not much new under the sun
Now, back OT: any of the workers in the Tsunami areas got any photos or updates?
The Westland Sea King has an excellent auto hover: that's how it plies its trade as an all weather ASW platform! It followed on from the Wessex HAS1 and HAS3, both of which were also auto hover back in the mid 60's, but was a more refined and reliable piece of kit.
Not much new under the sun
Now, back OT: any of the workers in the Tsunami areas got any photos or updates?