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C-2 Greyhounds
Someone earlier mentioned C-2 Greyhound(s) from the Lincoln at Medan. A friend of mine in the unit (but back at home base) was desperately after photos of the boys and girls doing their thing or "Tsunami related COD action" as he put it. If anyone has a shot of one of these things in theatre (particularly unloading freight or with local scenery in background) I would really appreciate it . Posted here or a PM to me would be just great. Pretty sure he just wants to see what's up, but definitely for non-commercial purposes.
For those who only recognise helicopters, a C-2 is sort of an overweight half-a-Herc with a big black nose like a dog and assorted colourful US Navy markings. Folding wings, too. "They may be ugly but they're slow".
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JT
For those who only recognise helicopters, a C-2 is sort of an overweight half-a-Herc with a big black nose like a dog and assorted colourful US Navy markings. Folding wings, too. "They may be ugly but they're slow".
Cheers,
JT
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To all of you guys out there helping,
I have nothing but admiration for you all, you are doing a most amazing thing.
The pictures of the missing adults and children brought tears to my eyes, it is such a great shame.
I so much want to offer more than just a financial contribution.
Keep up the good work guys.
Helieng
"Mad as a mooing fish!"
I have nothing but admiration for you all, you are doing a most amazing thing.
The pictures of the missing adults and children brought tears to my eyes, it is such a great shame.
I so much want to offer more than just a financial contribution.
Keep up the good work guys.
Helieng
"Mad as a mooing fish!"
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A couple of amazing before during and after Satelite photos here,
again helps emphasise the scale.
SE Asia, satelite photos
again helps emphasise the scale.
SE Asia, satelite photos
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Re: C-2s
Excellent! Cheers!
I had seen the bottom three on the Navy site but the top two must be newer ones. Great stuff. Still happy to see shots of the Mighty COD on the ground in Indonesia or wherever if anyone has them - official or personal photos.
JT
I had seen the bottom three on the Navy site but the top two must be newer ones. Great stuff. Still happy to see shots of the Mighty COD on the ground in Indonesia or wherever if anyone has them - official or personal photos.
JT
Unbelievable devastation. Amazing pictures. Almost incomprehensible human suffering.
I think this is the King-Air that Ned was referring to in his prior post..
SA tsunami relief workers survive plane crash
January 11, 2005, 05:30
Two members of the South African Global Relief team doing emergency relief work in Meulaboh on the island of Sumatra, Indonesia, survived a crash landing on Sunday, the organisation said in a press release yesterday.
Murray Louw, the Global Relief CEO, and team member Andrew Auld were flying into Meulaboh from the city of Medan when the accident occurred.
"The eight-seater Beach King Aircraft belonging to American Dr Jo Edhlund was doing crucial flights from Medan to the disaster-stricken West coast of the Aceh Province, ferrying much-needed supplies entirely at Edhlund’s own cost," read the release.
Sudden crosswind
"Edhlund and his co-pilot were coming in for a landing at the Meulaboh airstrip when the aircraft skidded off the runway." Louw said that the aircraft first came in for a low fly-over before attempting to land. "There were some trucks and a second aircraft on the runway, which was already damaged as a result of the earthquake.
"There were also water buffalo in the vicinity and a helicopter approaching. A sudden crosswind may have contributed to the accident." Louw said that as the aircraft touched down, it hopped, swirled, hopped again and skidded on its belly off the runway.
"Some members of a Dutch non-governmental organisation, who saw the accident happen, were convinced that the aircraft would roll and described it as a miracle that the pilots and passengers escaped unhurt." - Sapa
I think this is the King-Air that Ned was referring to in his prior post..
SA tsunami relief workers survive plane crash
January 11, 2005, 05:30
Two members of the South African Global Relief team doing emergency relief work in Meulaboh on the island of Sumatra, Indonesia, survived a crash landing on Sunday, the organisation said in a press release yesterday.
Murray Louw, the Global Relief CEO, and team member Andrew Auld were flying into Meulaboh from the city of Medan when the accident occurred.
"The eight-seater Beach King Aircraft belonging to American Dr Jo Edhlund was doing crucial flights from Medan to the disaster-stricken West coast of the Aceh Province, ferrying much-needed supplies entirely at Edhlund’s own cost," read the release.
Sudden crosswind
"Edhlund and his co-pilot were coming in for a landing at the Meulaboh airstrip when the aircraft skidded off the runway." Louw said that the aircraft first came in for a low fly-over before attempting to land. "There were some trucks and a second aircraft on the runway, which was already damaged as a result of the earthquake.
"There were also water buffalo in the vicinity and a helicopter approaching. A sudden crosswind may have contributed to the accident." Louw said that as the aircraft touched down, it hopped, swirled, hopped again and skidded on its belly off the runway.
"Some members of a Dutch non-governmental organisation, who saw the accident happen, were convinced that the aircraft would roll and described it as a miracle that the pilots and passengers escaped unhurt." - Sapa
Vertalop is currently in Bandar Aceh with a Dauphin, and has sent me the helicopter operating routes from the Lincoln. Any genuine operators there with a need for these, please PM and I'll make them available. It's a 1.6mb file, not for general publication.
Helicopter carrying governor crashes in Indonesia, passengers survive
www.chinaview.cn 2005-01-11 18:47:58
JAKARTA, Jan. 11 (Xinhuanet) -- A helicopter carrying a governor and several provincial officials crashed into a house in the Indonesian eastern province of Maluku on Tuesday but nobody was killed in the incident.
The Bell 412 helicopter with seven people onboard was struck bya strong wind just 15 meters from the ground and the efforts to make an emergency landing ended up with the chopper crashing into a house on Wetar island, some 2,300 km east of Jakarta, reported Detikcom online news service.
All passengers survived the incident and only sustained injuries, including Maluku governor Karel Albert Rala Halu, Malukupolice chief Adityawarman and provincial military commander Brig. Gen. Syarifuddin.
A military spokesman was quoted as saying that the incident took place five minutes after the helicopter took off from a soccer field at 11:40 a.m. local time (0340 GMT).
The governor team was conducting an aerial inspection against wood smuggling in small islands near East Timor, the report said. Enditem
www.chinaview.cn 2005-01-11 18:47:58
JAKARTA, Jan. 11 (Xinhuanet) -- A helicopter carrying a governor and several provincial officials crashed into a house in the Indonesian eastern province of Maluku on Tuesday but nobody was killed in the incident.
The Bell 412 helicopter with seven people onboard was struck bya strong wind just 15 meters from the ground and the efforts to make an emergency landing ended up with the chopper crashing into a house on Wetar island, some 2,300 km east of Jakarta, reported Detikcom online news service.
All passengers survived the incident and only sustained injuries, including Maluku governor Karel Albert Rala Halu, Malukupolice chief Adityawarman and provincial military commander Brig. Gen. Syarifuddin.
A military spokesman was quoted as saying that the incident took place five minutes after the helicopter took off from a soccer field at 11:40 a.m. local time (0340 GMT).
The governor team was conducting an aerial inspection against wood smuggling in small islands near East Timor, the report said. Enditem
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Found a pic of the bugsmasher that I shot when we were coming in to land. Sorry its not that sharp as it was just a chance shot.
Wow! so that's how to find out who the mil boys on the forum are.
No intended critisim of the military, I know it is really hard for you boys to think outside the box. Wait until you get into the civvie world and then you will understand what I mean. Plus I will send a box of beer to any of you that can fly a longline and do it without a crewman.
What is my experience with this sort of matter? Well I have flown two floods in the Nothern Territory of Australia. Seems reasonable to assume a flood is similar to a tsunami. I just couldn't understand why the hand loading was necessary.
Sikhorsey: What does this mean and why do we need to be rude?
Quote:
What is your agenda?
P.S. Work on your aircraft recognition skills mate. For the confusion and annoyance try a dose of humility and understanding. You muppet!
No agenda, what agenda would there be. Maybe just to see a job done efficiently. Hand to hand is not efficient.
What's the bit about "aircraft recognition skills??"
Don't get that at all...
Crab: Thanks for the info on the sling load restrictions. Shame that one incident can cause so much bother. Great to see the SA flag on one of the machines there.
To the aussies who are all upset about the Canadians getting the award for "best all round": IT WAS A GENERALISATION.
I have worked quite a few places on the planet now and this is a fact. The best all round pilots I have met are the Canuks and the Kiwis.
Aussies are superb drivers but not a lot of them do 200ft line work or fly around mountains (for example) Nothing wrong with that, as it is just an operational fact. John down in Melbourne flies a lot of line and hill time but how many of the western or northern guys do that type of work?
If I was putting together a team of guys, I would want the all-rounders. It would be useless to have someone who couldn't word a line or know how to hook up a load or what equipment to use. On average, note AVERAGE, the Canadian guys do lots of that work in BC and Alberta and have a lot of experience with those op's.
Consider also that they have very little to do at the moment and most of the southern hemisphere pilots are gainfully employed. Then it seems a logical choice for looking for talent and machines.
Whatever....
Good onya to the guys out there. Gold star award for a great effort. Thanks for the awesome photo's Ned.
No intended critisim of the military, I know it is really hard for you boys to think outside the box. Wait until you get into the civvie world and then you will understand what I mean. Plus I will send a box of beer to any of you that can fly a longline and do it without a crewman.
What is my experience with this sort of matter? Well I have flown two floods in the Nothern Territory of Australia. Seems reasonable to assume a flood is similar to a tsunami. I just couldn't understand why the hand loading was necessary.
Sikhorsey: What does this mean and why do we need to be rude?
Quote:
What is your agenda?
P.S. Work on your aircraft recognition skills mate. For the confusion and annoyance try a dose of humility and understanding. You muppet!
No agenda, what agenda would there be. Maybe just to see a job done efficiently. Hand to hand is not efficient.
What's the bit about "aircraft recognition skills??"
Don't get that at all...
Crab: Thanks for the info on the sling load restrictions. Shame that one incident can cause so much bother. Great to see the SA flag on one of the machines there.
To the aussies who are all upset about the Canadians getting the award for "best all round": IT WAS A GENERALISATION.
I have worked quite a few places on the planet now and this is a fact. The best all round pilots I have met are the Canuks and the Kiwis.
Aussies are superb drivers but not a lot of them do 200ft line work or fly around mountains (for example) Nothing wrong with that, as it is just an operational fact. John down in Melbourne flies a lot of line and hill time but how many of the western or northern guys do that type of work?
If I was putting together a team of guys, I would want the all-rounders. It would be useless to have someone who couldn't word a line or know how to hook up a load or what equipment to use. On average, note AVERAGE, the Canadian guys do lots of that work in BC and Alberta and have a lot of experience with those op's.
Consider also that they have very little to do at the moment and most of the southern hemisphere pilots are gainfully employed. Then it seems a logical choice for looking for talent and machines.
Whatever....
Good onya to the guys out there. Gold star award for a great effort. Thanks for the awesome photo's Ned.
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Nice attempt at back-peddling Steve, the problem is that when you back-peddle you tend to jam your foot further down your throat! Call me Zany, but most of the area affected by the tsunami is flat. The hilly bits, one presumes, were out of harms way so why on earth would you need to do any long lining?
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Trimpot - Actually the terrain didnt dictate the loads, the size of some of the loads were dictating that they needed to be longlined in.
A few of the jobs they tried to get the S-61 to do before I left was some water purification plants that were built into trailers, like the sort you would tow behind a landrover and each of these was just under 2 tons each and way too big to be put inside anything. They were even too tall to fit inside the Chinook.
There were a lot of odd sized loads.
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Ned
A few of the jobs they tried to get the S-61 to do before I left was some water purification plants that were built into trailers, like the sort you would tow behind a landrover and each of these was just under 2 tons each and way too big to be put inside anything. They were even too tall to fit inside the Chinook.
There were a lot of odd sized loads.
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Steve76,
Hand to hand may not be the most efficient way to load but it is effective. I have seen Black Hawk size aircraft loaded this way in about 6 minutes with the only aviation trained folks being the two crewmen. Admittedly, it did then take about another 2-3 minutes to apply the straps.
The big advantage is that the aircraft only needs one external resource to load, a bunch of untrained labour that only requires briefing about the dangers of helicopters.
External loads require nets, strops, trained folks on the ground to assemble the loads, trained folks to hook them on, slower flying speeds, more fuel and some method of returning the equipment.
The military might not be efficient by your standards but you can bet your left one they are effective.
Hand to hand may not be the most efficient way to load but it is effective. I have seen Black Hawk size aircraft loaded this way in about 6 minutes with the only aviation trained folks being the two crewmen. Admittedly, it did then take about another 2-3 minutes to apply the straps.
The big advantage is that the aircraft only needs one external resource to load, a bunch of untrained labour that only requires briefing about the dangers of helicopters.
External loads require nets, strops, trained folks on the ground to assemble the loads, trained folks to hook them on, slower flying speeds, more fuel and some method of returning the equipment.
The military might not be efficient by your standards but you can bet your left one they are effective.
Vertalop's post
I received the following e mail & photos to post, from Vertalop:
My internet connection is rather tenuous so I can't access PPRUNE web pages, only send a quick e-mail.
It's been a very busy day in Bandar Aceh today, with aircraft from the Singapore Armed Forces (Two Chinooks and a Super Puma), the German Navy (Three Sea Kings) the French Army (one Puma), Royal Malaysian Airforce (Two S61 Nuris), Indonesian Airforce (One Puma+), MHS (One S61N), Saba Air (One Bell 212), and Eurocopter (One Dauphin), all competing for refuelling spots on the Indonesian Military hardstand.
The grass parking area had become a mud bath with aircraft sinking in up to the axles and the hardstand a bloodbath as people fight for the attention of the one fuel bowser. The football field has seen the now normal hectic loading of U.S. Seahawk, Australian Blackhawk and UH1 and various other types, while the main apron has had several visits from U.S, CH53s. The U.K. Army contingent of (Bristow/FBH) Bell 212s from Brunei also got airborne from Ozzie lines.
On the fixed wing front the impressive sight of US and UK C17 reversing into their tight parking spots has been incredible.
Tomorrow is going to be even more interesting as the new helicopter air-traffic system is put into operation. All helicopters will refuel on the civilian side of the airport and then reposition to one of three locations on the military side for loading. All helicopter traffic will be co-ordinated by the excellent Australian controllers assisted by the Indonesian ATC. A common frequency of 129.3 will be used for all helicopter movements so that it will not even be necessary to listen out on the tower frequency of 122.2. In fact 129.3 has been in use for all helicopter movements on the military side for some time, but obviously not all pilots are aware of this as various aircraft still turn up unannounced. I think that the change of procedures tomorrow will be a very big surprise for some crews who operate on the civilian side at present and do not attend any of the daily military briefings. The new traffic pattern (for aircraft not coming from the refuel pad) involves crossing the runway at its midpoint and passing overhead the football field at 500ft and then letting down to one of the loading locations in ether a left or right pattern, depending on the wind. Departures will be routed so as to cross the runway centreline at 300ft a safe distance out, thus deconflicting with fixed wing movements.
I'll try and attach a pic of the "TNI Ramp" at 11am today.
Vertalop
It's been a very busy day in Bandar Aceh today, with aircraft from the Singapore Armed Forces (Two Chinooks and a Super Puma), the German Navy (Three Sea Kings) the French Army (one Puma), Royal Malaysian Airforce (Two S61 Nuris), Indonesian Airforce (One Puma+), MHS (One S61N), Saba Air (One Bell 212), and Eurocopter (One Dauphin), all competing for refuelling spots on the Indonesian Military hardstand.
The grass parking area had become a mud bath with aircraft sinking in up to the axles and the hardstand a bloodbath as people fight for the attention of the one fuel bowser. The football field has seen the now normal hectic loading of U.S. Seahawk, Australian Blackhawk and UH1 and various other types, while the main apron has had several visits from U.S, CH53s. The U.K. Army contingent of (Bristow/FBH) Bell 212s from Brunei also got airborne from Ozzie lines.
On the fixed wing front the impressive sight of US and UK C17 reversing into their tight parking spots has been incredible.
Tomorrow is going to be even more interesting as the new helicopter air-traffic system is put into operation. All helicopters will refuel on the civilian side of the airport and then reposition to one of three locations on the military side for loading. All helicopter traffic will be co-ordinated by the excellent Australian controllers assisted by the Indonesian ATC. A common frequency of 129.3 will be used for all helicopter movements so that it will not even be necessary to listen out on the tower frequency of 122.2. In fact 129.3 has been in use for all helicopter movements on the military side for some time, but obviously not all pilots are aware of this as various aircraft still turn up unannounced. I think that the change of procedures tomorrow will be a very big surprise for some crews who operate on the civilian side at present and do not attend any of the daily military briefings. The new traffic pattern (for aircraft not coming from the refuel pad) involves crossing the runway at its midpoint and passing overhead the football field at 500ft and then letting down to one of the loading locations in ether a left or right pattern, depending on the wind. Departures will be routed so as to cross the runway centreline at 300ft a safe distance out, thus deconflicting with fixed wing movements.
I'll try and attach a pic of the "TNI Ramp" at 11am today.
Vertalop
Thanks for the info HomerJ. That is very quick and the guys and gals must be working hard in the heat doing that.
Trimpot, congrats on showing your complete lack of understanding regarding external load operations.
Why would you longline?
Think hard now.....
Here's why:
Have you ever stood under an S61 and hooked up a load?
Have you ever tried to talk underneath the rotorwash?
Have you ever seen the effect of the downwash on loose items?
Have you ever tried to place a load at a doorstep or down into a hole?
Obviously not. The longline option is safer and more practical. In the environment these aircraft could be operating, the line could be used to drop needed supplies into areas that are unavailable for landing and cannot be accessed by road. You manouver a load into a building or down onto a rooftop among aerials, trees etc.
Nothing loose is going to be blown around and the persons on the ground can communicate easily.
There are another dozen reasons that the line would be effective but it is a mute point because they are not going to.
You can thank me later for the free lesson in commonsence.
As for the backpedal. No, I am not backpeddling.
We all have strengths and weaknesses. You mil guys just cannot think for youselves and it is a sentiment repeated throughout the commercial world. If other commercial guys here were more open they would repeat the same comments. FACT.
Nobody dispises you for it; you just need to get out of the military to realise it. We all paid for your training and will have to give you more to make you workable.
I really don't give a flying **** what you blokes think because sooner or later you will need to find a job doing something useful and persons on this forum will have to give it to you.
Other than that you will end up in CASA, TC or CAA with all the others who couldn't hack it.
Ned, sorry for hijacking this thread with this BS. Thanks for the photos and good on the guys working there.
This is my last work on this ridiculous argument.
Trimpot, congrats on showing your complete lack of understanding regarding external load operations.
Why would you longline?
Think hard now.....
Here's why:
Have you ever stood under an S61 and hooked up a load?
Have you ever tried to talk underneath the rotorwash?
Have you ever seen the effect of the downwash on loose items?
Have you ever tried to place a load at a doorstep or down into a hole?
Obviously not. The longline option is safer and more practical. In the environment these aircraft could be operating, the line could be used to drop needed supplies into areas that are unavailable for landing and cannot be accessed by road. You manouver a load into a building or down onto a rooftop among aerials, trees etc.
Nothing loose is going to be blown around and the persons on the ground can communicate easily.
There are another dozen reasons that the line would be effective but it is a mute point because they are not going to.
You can thank me later for the free lesson in commonsence.
As for the backpedal. No, I am not backpeddling.
We all have strengths and weaknesses. You mil guys just cannot think for youselves and it is a sentiment repeated throughout the commercial world. If other commercial guys here were more open they would repeat the same comments. FACT.
Nobody dispises you for it; you just need to get out of the military to realise it. We all paid for your training and will have to give you more to make you workable.
I really don't give a flying **** what you blokes think because sooner or later you will need to find a job doing something useful and persons on this forum will have to give it to you.
Other than that you will end up in CASA, TC or CAA with all the others who couldn't hack it.
Ned, sorry for hijacking this thread with this BS. Thanks for the photos and good on the guys working there.
This is my last work on this ridiculous argument.
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Against the background of the biggest single human tragedy in living memory, does it really matter who thinks whose country has the best/most experienced helicopter pilots?
Pilots from many different countries are out there doing their best to relieve the suffering. If they have the time and energy to argue national rivalries, mil/civil etc and can be bothered, good luck to them, but it seems a bit silly to be arguing about such things and making abusive personal comments here.
Let's move on.
Heliport
Pilots from many different countries are out there doing their best to relieve the suffering. If they have the time and energy to argue national rivalries, mil/civil etc and can be bothered, good luck to them, but it seems a bit silly to be arguing about such things and making abusive personal comments here.
Let's move on.
Heliport