EC120
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I had 130's on the brain after I was put off by the grid girls with Captain Hollywood in the photos thread.
Hovering AND talking
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Hovering auto - is this where a helicopter performs an autorotation from x,000 ft, engine off landing, lifts, hovers and lands again?
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Whirls
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Try here http://www.eurocopter.com/ec120/
The technical data will tell you payload/range. You just have to work out what you expect your EEW/BOW to be.
The 120 is about the same as a 206B3. Both probably perform equally as badly in the hands of the inexperienced. Normally you can't fill the seats and the tanks in either of them.
It does what it says on the label.
The technical data will tell you payload/range. You just have to work out what you expect your EEW/BOW to be.
The 120 is about the same as a 206B3. Both probably perform equally as badly in the hands of the inexperienced. Normally you can't fill the seats and the tanks in either of them.
It does what it says on the label.
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How long is a piece of string?
"and what will be a max range in this conditions?"
Depends on the height you fly, the temperature you fly at and whether or not you are in a hurry.
For example 10'000 feet @+10 degrees C, range is 468 nm at recommended cruise power and it will take you 4.5 hours whilst at Fast Cruise your range is 460 nm and the flight time is 4.05 hours (both 'tanks dry' figures). It would be further if you go higher but we can't (no oxygen).
NOTE: Pop-outs have no performance penalty in the cruise, only in the climb.
The real interesting calculations on the EC 120 are when you have less than 100 kg of fuel. You will then have payload available that you can't use!
Depends on the height you fly, the temperature you fly at and whether or not you are in a hurry.
For example 10'000 feet @+10 degrees C, range is 468 nm at recommended cruise power and it will take you 4.5 hours whilst at Fast Cruise your range is 460 nm and the flight time is 4.05 hours (both 'tanks dry' figures). It would be further if you go higher but we can't (no oxygen).
NOTE: Pop-outs have no performance penalty in the cruise, only in the climb.
The real interesting calculations on the EC 120 are when you have less than 100 kg of fuel. You will then have payload available that you can't use!
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244 kg ?!!! its nothing !!
its just me and two more friends....
Looks like 130 B4 will be better choice.
Does anybody knows what is useful load for 130 with floats and fuel?
its just me and two more friends....
Looks like 130 B4 will be better choice.
Does anybody knows what is useful load for 130 with floats and fuel?
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a couple things about the 1000 hr inspection
If you haven't yet, you should spray lps1 on the TR strap pack so it weeps to the center .as they will be corroded otherwise if she sees rain. and your scissor link bushings will be worn out by 800 hrs use..
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fuel vrs pax
hi all,
Im currently flying a 44, company planning on getting a 120 soon. looking for all info i can get. With full pax (average male wgt) how much fuel would you pack to realisticly get out of confined areas, and vice versa with full fuel how many pax? would also appreciate same info on other A/C. have to say 44 has been very good to me.
cheers folks & keep sharing the knowledge.
Im currently flying a 44, company planning on getting a 120 soon. looking for all info i can get. With full pax (average male wgt) how much fuel would you pack to realisticly get out of confined areas, and vice versa with full fuel how many pax? would also appreciate same info on other A/C. have to say 44 has been very good to me.
cheers folks & keep sharing the knowledge.
Adding fuel to the EC120 doesn't really make any difference to the CofG position as the tanks are pretty much inline with the main rotor. You will find you problem will be forward CofG limits.
We fly with 5 x 13 stone people on a regular basis and add fuel and cargo to bring the aircraft to MAUM. You can get a little bit more weight in the cabin, but not much. I fly a pretty basic EC120, no addititional equipment installed.
It depends what you are planning to use the machine for, it's great for a private owner blasting around the countryside with a couple of pax, trying to get a good cockpit load and a couple of hours fuel may be tricky. If so, buy an AS350.
Just some thoughts, TiP
We fly with 5 x 13 stone people on a regular basis and add fuel and cargo to bring the aircraft to MAUM. You can get a little bit more weight in the cabin, but not much. I fly a pretty basic EC120, no addititional equipment installed.
It depends what you are planning to use the machine for, it's great for a private owner blasting around the countryside with a couple of pax, trying to get a good cockpit load and a couple of hours fuel may be tricky. If so, buy an AS350.
Just some thoughts, TiP
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I've tried to push for the 350 but they prefer the look of the 120!!!
I've heard bad reviews from eurocopter when compared to bell tho. something always rattling and a long wait for someone to come out if grounded. how do you decide on a machine when every pilot have a different opinion???
lca
I've tried to push for the 350 but they prefer the look of the 120!!!
I've heard bad reviews from eurocopter when compared to bell tho. something always rattling and a long wait for someone to come out if grounded. how do you decide on a machine when every pilot have a different opinion???
lca
We haven't had the best service from Eurocopter for AOG spares, however this is a common problem. Althought I haven't flowen it have head good news about the Bell 407, maybe it's a possible contender for you.
Please don't get me wrong, the EC120 is a nice comfortable machine to fly but has its limitations, definately not a work horse like a B206.
Please don't get me wrong, the EC120 is a nice comfortable machine to fly but has its limitations, definately not a work horse like a B206.
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anouther item of interest on the Engine
if you haven't got to the 500 hr inspection yet, your filter bypass switch will no doubt be U/S, we failed ours every time and went through a half dozen new ones that were useless when tested also. also spray the engine mount washers especially at the bottom as they will be corroded. and I've had worn spherical bearings at 400 hrs use.
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EC120 Panel Switches
I've recently completed a type conversion to EC120 (PPL). I was surprised to see that Eurocopter use latching pushbuttons of a type for which it is almost impossible to tell by glancing at the panel, whether a switch is 'ON' or 'OFF'.
In every other (non-EC) helicopter I've flown, switch statuses are immediately apparent from a simple glance. Does this lack or ergonomic design exist on other EC helicopters?
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In every other (non-EC) helicopter I've flown, switch statuses are immediately apparent from a simple glance. Does this lack or ergonomic design exist on other EC helicopters?
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EC 120 panel switches
Buttocknurdler,
This style of switch precedes Eurocopter. They were fitted to the AS 350 I first flew 28 years ago.
On our EC 120 it is quite easy to determine that the switch is selected on - the green light which illuminates on the switch is a bit of a giveaway.
This style of switch precedes Eurocopter. They were fitted to the AS 350 I first flew 28 years ago.
On our EC 120 it is quite easy to determine that the switch is selected on - the green light which illuminates on the switch is a bit of a giveaway.
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That's not completely right. If the button doesn't have a light (only the booster pump has) A corresponding light on the CWU will light, apart from the fan and floats if fitted.
LACU pushbuttons can be akward to see if they are depressed or not. However over time you'll get the hang of it, and you can notice them depressed.
FLOATS and F.PUMP have lights on the buttons to indicte the system is on or armed. BATT, GENE, PITOT, HYDR etc will effect a CWP caption. A.COL, POS LTS, V/A SELECT and ELECT. RESET won't.
TiP
FLOATS and F.PUMP have lights on the buttons to indicte the system is on or armed. BATT, GENE, PITOT, HYDR etc will effect a CWP caption. A.COL, POS LTS, V/A SELECT and ELECT. RESET won't.
TiP