Police observers - passengers or crew?
Tightgit
Bertie, that would depend on what type of shift pattern they were on. Ours wouldn't get any (unless they were on leave...)
I was just indicating that being subject to CAA limits would not in theory prevent overtime, (quite a lot of overtime in fact) for anyone who enjoys the 'standard' working week, eg police observers or hems crew.
Ark
As with Letsby my comment was made at a time when this was a stand alone thread and not part of the larger one. My comment was not meant as part of that thread and it was never my intention that it should be taken as part of the previous thread nor that it should be seen in that light. If, now that the threads have been merged, you or anyone else would like me to edit or remove it then I will certainly do so as I would not wish to cause offence, least of all to those who have been on the blunt end of this legislation.
As with Letsby my comment was made at a time when this was a stand alone thread and not part of the larger one. My comment was not meant as part of that thread and it was never my intention that it should be taken as part of the previous thread nor that it should be seen in that light. If, now that the threads have been merged, you or anyone else would like me to edit or remove it then I will certainly do so as I would not wish to cause offence, least of all to those who have been on the blunt end of this legislation.
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Guys,
I didn't realise that this was now a merged thread.
Had a beer or three with 442 the other day.
He's just had another operation to try and regain mobility in his neck. Hopefully it'll work.
I didn't realise that this was now a merged thread.
Had a beer or three with 442 the other day.
He's just had another operation to try and regain mobility in his neck. Hopefully it'll work.
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I haven't had the patience to read through all the posts here and I would like to address a question.
I know that police work with a helicopter is a demanding job but if the observer is considered as a passenger by the CAA, why don't they consider photographers as passengers also?
Aerial photography and Police work, isn't it a different porridge in the same bowl?
I know that police work with a helicopter is a demanding job but if the observer is considered as a passenger by the CAA, why don't they consider photographers as passengers also?
Aerial photography and Police work, isn't it a different porridge in the same bowl?
Heli-ice, it's not appropriate to compare a police observer's role to that of a photographer [well not most of them anyway...]. A lot of an observer's job is done in the office, reviewing/rejecting/planning task requests and on scene the job is constantly changing.
The main reason police observers are not considered crew [which in practice they clearly are] is pressure from police management through the government to the CAA. Crew status would require control of those staff by an outside agency [medicals, licensing, duty periods etc] and the police as an organisation are not prepared to relinquish that control.
Theoretically a police observer could be ordered to work a second duty out on the streets immediately after a flying duty, though the reverse should not be possible because the aircraft commander has the power not to carry the observer on safety grounds.
The main reason police observers are not considered crew [which in practice they clearly are] is pressure from police management through the government to the CAA. Crew status would require control of those staff by an outside agency [medicals, licensing, duty periods etc] and the police as an organisation are not prepared to relinquish that control.
Theoretically a police observer could be ordered to work a second duty out on the streets immediately after a flying duty, though the reverse should not be possible because the aircraft commander has the power not to carry the observer on safety grounds.
