Bristow North Sea
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Couldn't agree with you more about the oil companies coming up with the funds. Some already have!
Yes the old Bristow no longer exists, we don't have anyone in power from the old regime. Loyalty, what's that, look after number one, no one else will!
Yes the old Bristow no longer exists, we don't have anyone in power from the old regime. Loyalty, what's that, look after number one, no one else will!
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Many congratulations to the BHL Management on their recent victory over BALPA. No sooner had the workforce united as one over the pay deal then our beloved CC are conned into producing a productivity scheme which splits the workforce neatly in to a North/South divide.
This 'meaningful assessment' or time and motions study is so obviously biased towards a short sector multiple landings operation that us Aberdeen drivers get completely screwed by it.
So who produced it? Someone in Norwich perhaps? Surely not the same individual who was phoning around the units to get us to accept the revised offer? I sense a cunning plan. Where was the consulation with the staff? Why have BALPA agreed to carry it through when to anyone with the smallest amount of common sense it will only serve to annoy, anger and insult the Aberdeen/Scatsta staff - God knows what the SAR units think of it!
For months the cry on Rotorheads has been to unite behind BALPA. We did but now I sense another public row. They'll be dancing with joy down the corridors at Redhill.
Come the CC - GET A GRIP.
This 'meaningful assessment' or time and motions study is so obviously biased towards a short sector multiple landings operation that us Aberdeen drivers get completely screwed by it.
So who produced it? Someone in Norwich perhaps? Surely not the same individual who was phoning around the units to get us to accept the revised offer? I sense a cunning plan. Where was the consulation with the staff? Why have BALPA agreed to carry it through when to anyone with the smallest amount of common sense it will only serve to annoy, anger and insult the Aberdeen/Scatsta staff - God knows what the SAR units think of it!
For months the cry on Rotorheads has been to unite behind BALPA. We did but now I sense another public row. They'll be dancing with joy down the corridors at Redhill.
Come the CC - GET A GRIP.
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The idea was a productivity survey to assist in benchmarking - its a spoof, don't submit the form - the information on it could be lethal, in the wrong hands.(you can be sure it will get there)
Productivity survey based on what? How can the data possibly be used in any form of rational comparison with other sections of the industry?
The concept is radically biased towards short trip shuttles (sounds like the Southern North Sea), and leaves other members of the wokforce high and dry.
SAR crews will be particularly savaged by this survey.
Find the joker who produced this and shaft him (or her)- Don't fill in the form !!!
Productivity survey based on what? How can the data possibly be used in any form of rational comparison with other sections of the industry?
The concept is radically biased towards short trip shuttles (sounds like the Southern North Sea), and leaves other members of the wokforce high and dry.
SAR crews will be particularly savaged by this survey.
Find the joker who produced this and shaft him (or her)- Don't fill in the form !!!
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Just goes to show - doesn't matter how many changes of ownership Bristow goes through the rule that management will always insert a well-greased, barbed-wire-bound baseball bat up the appropriate orifice has never been changed. Keep smiling and leave as soon as you have the chance. It is possible
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Pat, we managed to get hold of this proposal this morning on our unit. Basically, you get points for each activity that you do i.e. 2 points for a landing, 1 point for standby etc, etc... which give you a final points total for the day which in turn assesses your productivity. So points mean pennies!However, it is geared towards a short sector multiple landing operation and takes no account of long flights to the ESB or night rescues in SAR, or anything which is not beneficial to Southern North Sea. We wondered which member of the CC might be responsible for this? Answers on a postcard!!!
It states in the explanation at the beginning that "one of the hardest issues to overcome is the measurement of work tasks, exacerbated by the various activities engaged in by the company." It then goes on to say that we should all co-operate with the scheme to "achieve a meaningful assessment of a cross section of the pilot and crewman workforce". How can this possibly be achieved, as they have already stated that the company's activities are so diversified?
Basically where we are we're annoyed that it came completely out of the blue with no consultation and as with most BALPA things in BHL we only found out about it by accident. It's ill thought out and as already stated splits the workforce. Come on the CC use your head and think once in a while. Return the baseball bat without the vaseline! Big, big thumbs down.
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Gents,
you can tell me to butt out of this thread if you wish as I don't work for BHL. I must ask, why do your CC insist on doing things without consulting the work force? Across the runway our CC were requested/told "no acceptance without consultation with us". It works! They call a meeting and all points are discussed. The CC may make recomendations to us but in the end we, the workfoce, have the final say. The CC work for you, TELL them that you must be consulted on all points.
As I said, tell me to butt out if you want, I won't be offended.
Fair pay for helicopter pilots,
Chopperman.
you can tell me to butt out of this thread if you wish as I don't work for BHL. I must ask, why do your CC insist on doing things without consulting the work force? Across the runway our CC were requested/told "no acceptance without consultation with us". It works! They call a meeting and all points are discussed. The CC may make recomendations to us but in the end we, the workfoce, have the final say. The CC work for you, TELL them that you must be consulted on all points.
As I said, tell me to butt out if you want, I won't be offended.
Fair pay for helicopter pilots,
Chopperman.
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Thanks for your reply. To date, still nothing on the Scasta notice board and no one seems to know about it.
Not very surprising, as we found out that offshore allowances or Scasta per diem allowances, wich have not changed for years, were not even part of the pay talks between Balpa and BHL.
Thanks for your reply. To date, still nothing on the Scasta notice board and no one seems to know about it.
Not very surprising, as we found out that offshore allowances or Scasta per diem allowances, wich have not changed for years, were not even part of the pay talks between Balpa and BHL.
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Inspector Lustrade and others
I am using my own name because i have nothing to hide, you know who i am and what i do, if you have a problem with your CC the Phone No's and e-mail addresses are available throughout the company, contact one of us and find out (if you are a member)why we do what we do.
The text of your post is guesswork and must be viewed by all as just that, you could not be further from the truth.
IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM CALL ME
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PC
I am using my own name because i have nothing to hide, you know who i am and what i do, if you have a problem with your CC the Phone No's and e-mail addresses are available throughout the company, contact one of us and find out (if you are a member)why we do what we do.
The text of your post is guesswork and must be viewed by all as just that, you could not be further from the truth.
IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM CALL ME
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PC
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There is now a BALPA Rep at each base in UK and they have been sent details of an e-mail list started by the Bristow CC for members to "communicate" more, both with the CC and also amongst themselves on relevant topics.
In case your Reps have not yet put details up on the notice boards, then here are the details:
To join this list you must be a Bristow employee and be a member of BALPA. To join send your Name, BHL Staff No and BALPA Mem No to [email protected]
In case your Reps have not yet put details up on the notice boards, then here are the details:
To join this list you must be a Bristow employee and be a member of BALPA. To join send your Name, BHL Staff No and BALPA Mem No to [email protected]
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Bristow Aircrew - Please Read
There is now a BALPA Rep at each base in UK and they have been sent details of an e-mail list started by the Bristow CC for members to "communicate" more, both with the CC and also amongst themselves on relevant topics.
In case your Reps have not yet put details up on the notice boards, then here are the details:
To join this list you must be a Bristow employee and be a member of BALPA. To join send your Name, BHL Staff No and BALPA Mem No to [email protected]
Once your details have been checked against the staff and membership lists, you will be sent a welcome message. This will give you full details of the e-mail address to use for posting messages and also the website address if you do not wish to have your Inbox full of e-mail.
Any messages left on the list/website can ONLY be viewed by registered members.
If you want communication, then you should join this list, as the CC will NOT discuss any items on an open forum such as Pprune. You never know who is listening
In case your Reps have not yet put details up on the notice boards, then here are the details:
To join this list you must be a Bristow employee and be a member of BALPA. To join send your Name, BHL Staff No and BALPA Mem No to [email protected]
Once your details have been checked against the staff and membership lists, you will be sent a welcome message. This will give you full details of the e-mail address to use for posting messages and also the website address if you do not wish to have your Inbox full of e-mail.
Any messages left on the list/website can ONLY be viewed by registered members.
If you want communication, then you should join this list, as the CC will NOT discuss any items on an open forum such as Pprune. You never know who is listening
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You are kidding yourself if you think that will stop the management from finding out what's going on. No doubt some mole will tell them evverything that's happening on your list.
The only losers will be other pilots outside your company who may be able to use the information.
The only losers will be other pilots outside your company who may be able to use the information.
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Bristow Time and Motion Study
Is it really necessary? We have just agreed a pay deal which gives us the same pay no matter what UK base we fly from. So why now do the CC want to drive wedges between us by paying more for deck landings/sectors flown/earlies/lates/bacon butties consumed etc? This is madness. What we (the members) want is a salary that properly recompences us for the job we do. Come Summer 2004 a year 15 Scotia Captain will be paid approx £73k. This I believe is where our CC should be directing their efforts. Am I alone?
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No, you are not alone.
This whole time and motion study is nosense. While a 15 year Captain might be on 73k per year in 2004, we should all be earning that now. Many of us already have 15 years, we are using that hard won experience out there everyday, why wait until 2004?
To try isolate pay for more deck landings etc is not justifiable unless the ABZ based guys get a helicopter long haul allowance.
Sure it sounds stupid but so is increased pay for lots of short sectors.
It seems to me that the most sensible thing would be to set a proper and respectable salary level regardless of the actual task you perform.
This whole time and motion study is nosense. While a 15 year Captain might be on 73k per year in 2004, we should all be earning that now. Many of us already have 15 years, we are using that hard won experience out there everyday, why wait until 2004?
To try isolate pay for more deck landings etc is not justifiable unless the ABZ based guys get a helicopter long haul allowance.
Sure it sounds stupid but so is increased pay for lots of short sectors.
It seems to me that the most sensible thing would be to set a proper and respectable salary level regardless of the actual task you perform.
Paul,
Actually, I'd rather they continued to write like this. It all helps people who are considering entering the industry to make informed decisions. Perhaps a Bristows private forum would suit you better.
Actually, I'd rather they continued to write like this. It all helps people who are considering entering the industry to make informed decisions. Perhaps a Bristows private forum would suit you better.
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A helicopter 'long haul' allowance! Gosh, how the fixed wing boys must be chuckling.
Still, sounds good to me! Although I fear there may be grumbles from the 61 fleet they only go to the Captain field can't be more than 60 miles! Does that mean they wouldn't qualify for it?
Still, why split the work force on a location basis when you can do it all in the same place!
I have a feeling that I'm about to be £40 better off each month if this latest carry on episode goes on for much longer.
Still, sounds good to me! Although I fear there may be grumbles from the 61 fleet they only go to the Captain field can't be more than 60 miles! Does that mean they wouldn't qualify for it?
Still, why split the work force on a location basis when you can do it all in the same place!
I have a feeling that I'm about to be £40 better off each month if this latest carry on episode goes on for much longer.
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Bristow Announce Redundancies
Saw on the news tonight that Bristow Helicopters has informed staff of redundancies today. Any details on how many are involved and why they had to be laid off?
It doesn't seem that long since the last time they had to let people go.
It doesn't seem that long since the last time they had to let people go.