Helicopter down in Brisbane - incl ATSB Report
Yes, I have heard of duty of care.
But I don't think it applies to a case like this, where the operator has laid down specific limits, and only allows landings that are permitted under those requirements. They are not subsequently liable if some wombat goes outside those limits either through ignorance or by choice.
If it did apply, then somebody who has built a trolley for their R22 would have to make it big enough for a Mil-26 in case it decided to land there.
Similarly Parramatta Road doesn't have to allow for jumbos to land on it, or for coal trains to rumble through Broadway.
But I don't think it applies to a case like this, where the operator has laid down specific limits, and only allows landings that are permitted under those requirements. They are not subsequently liable if some wombat goes outside those limits either through ignorance or by choice.
If it did apply, then somebody who has built a trolley for their R22 would have to make it big enough for a Mil-26 in case it decided to land there.
Similarly Parramatta Road doesn't have to allow for jumbos to land on it, or for coal trains to rumble through Broadway.
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The builder of the R22 trolly does not have to make it large enough for a mil26 but if he is to allow the public to use his trolly he has the responsibility to let those people know of it's limits and to be sure that they know the limits.
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Unfortunately it only takes one mishap and facilitys like these soon go due to political or public pressure as well as insurance and liability issues.
im afraid in this country of ANTI EVERYTHING once gone it wont be back. i agree if the operator of the pontoon has specified a weight limit and this helo was over the limit knowingly his insurance company wont be too happy,
or if unknowingly he should have asked for permission and requested the procedures and restrictions it may have in place ie: weight limit!!
lawyers can now argue against this pad being closed down, but you all know who the winners are out of that!
A shame i agree...
Unfortunately it only takes one mishap and facilitys like these soon go due to political or public pressure as well as insurance and liability issues.
im afraid in this country of ANTI EVERYTHING once gone it wont be back. i agree if the operator of the pontoon has specified a weight limit and this helo was over the limit knowingly his insurance company wont be too happy,
or if unknowingly he should have asked for permission and requested the procedures and restrictions it may have in place ie: weight limit!!
lawyers can now argue against this pad being closed down, but you all know who the winners are out of that!
A shame i agree...
Not enough $$$ ...
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A109C VH-ZZN BNE River Helipad 07-2004 ATSB report
Final ATSB report out:
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...200402820.aspx
I started looking for the original thread about this, but with the search function not working for older threads I realised this could take quite some time - if moderators have a better way of searching perhaps they could link the two but for now ...
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...200402820.aspx
I started looking for the original thread about this, but with the search function not working for older threads I realised this could take quite some time - if moderators have a better way of searching perhaps they could link the two but for now ...
Not enough $$$ ...
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Final ATSB report out:
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...200402820.aspx
After removing foot from mouth ...
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...200402820.aspx
After removing foot from mouth ...
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Nope and that is unlikely unless it is an operator that intends to do it. I think the Qld Gov don't want to go near it again after what happened and the fall out 
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So ... operators in Brisbane, if the Client requested to be picked up at the airport and flown to a meeting in the CBD, could you do it?
Any enterprising sorts thought about approaching a forward-thinking building owner to place a rooftop helipad? Is there one already that I just don't know about? I suppose you could land in the Botanic Gardens ... maybe.
Any enterprising sorts thought about approaching a forward-thinking building owner to place a rooftop helipad? Is there one already that I just don't know about? I suppose you could land in the Botanic Gardens ... maybe.
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There is one 'marked' on a building in Brisbane CBD, might be on Lennon's, if not, then nearby. Never seen it used or even if it has been/is suitable for use. You would think the Casino would like to have an HLS nearby,... like where this one was 
Still there it seems, at least the paint work is?
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Hi
Before the accident was the heli-pad well used and what was the charge for using the pad? What or who is needed to re open such a facility?
Does anyone think it would be well used if it were re opened?
Will
Before the accident was the heli-pad well used and what was the charge for using the pad? What or who is needed to re open such a facility?
Does anyone think it would be well used if it were re opened?
Will
I have read the atsb report, and the above comments, but I am still a little in the dark here. I have experience on only one wheeled helicopter and it was a requirement to calculate the PCN (pavement concession number) for flights into airfields, and consider the point loading when landing. Are these requirements not valid on smaller wheeled helicopters? Are the PCNs so small as to not warrant calculation? This is an assumption given the total absence of PCN from the atsb report, and my ignorance of light wheeled helicopter operations. I ask from that absence and my ignorance rather than to make any criticism of the pilot/owner.
Secondly, I note from the report that the helipad owner's organisation had no aviation expertise. Consultants are expensive. How expensive are accidents?
Thirdly, the report does not reflect John A's assertion above that CASA had a duty of care to this pilot to advise him that the HLS had insufficient load bearing abilities for the A109C. And I still agree. Comments?
Secondly, I note from the report that the helipad owner's organisation had no aviation expertise. Consultants are expensive. How expensive are accidents?
Thirdly, the report does not reflect John A's assertion above that CASA had a duty of care to this pilot to advise him that the HLS had insufficient load bearing abilities for the A109C. And I still agree. Comments?
