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Old 24th Jul 2004, 13:00
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WOW! Thats the first Analog C+ I've seen!


The reason is hidden in your post!!! There are a few other "round gaugers" around. But you're right. Most are glass.

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Old 25th Jul 2004, 04:15
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Cool

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Sorry if I got your dander up. But I was being honest, I have never seen an analog C+!

Cheers, OffshoreIgor
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Cool

I think you misinterpeted my reply. No dander here

I was just, perhaps too obtusely, indicating that she's an oldie. The aircraft was the prototype C+. It's a real workhorse and has an interesting past.

It's currently flying in France with Arriel 2S2 engines.


Blue Skies!

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Old 26th Jul 2004, 04:34
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Thumbs up Test flying my new FS Helicopter

Since I don't have the real thing, I have to make due with this:



Thanks to all those that have contributed info.
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Cool B206 in FS video.

Thought you guys might like to see the video I made.

http://webpages.charter.net/pwaugh/downloads/

If I've exceed my bandwidth, come back later.

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Old 30th Jul 2004, 00:09
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not familiar with the history on this, (so if i am asking the obvious i apoligise) did you build the fsim from scratch?
or is it inside an existing off the shelf product?

i have had little success in finding a decent helo sim that i could use for training purposes, xplane was the best R22 that i have found, but then i haven't really had much time to exert into looking for anything else.

what little 'spare' time i do have goes into study or flying.

i have briefly entertained the idea of building several 'simulators' but the work involved in such a project is simply beyond my means in terms of time commitment, etc.
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Old 30th Jul 2004, 02:57
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The photo you see above and video was "shot" inside Microsoft Flight Sim 2004 (FS9).

This B206 is my original work, developed completely from scratch to replace the default Bell 206 that comes with the program.

My ship is being developed with complex custom software to simulate ship systems and gauges accurately, providing parts task training capabilities within certain limits of the sim. An Austraian company has recently won approval (FAA?) to use MSFS as a parts task trainer (1st in the world I understand), using their software, and I aim for a similar level of realism.

Everything in the front office will function, and interact in as real a way as I can achieve given my limited knowledge.

Best of all, she's fun to fly and auto!
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Old 30th Jul 2004, 15:47
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Question B206 Instruments

As many of you know, I'm modeling a B206B3 Low skid for MS Flight Sim.

I am in the process of completing the art work for the panel instruments for my B206B3. I already have guides for the following:

Eng Oil/Temp Torque Airspeed
XMSN Oil/Temp TOT Dual Tach
Fuel Loadmeter Ng

which come standard from Bell Helicopter, and our found in the manual.

I need to mode the following gauges:

Clock
Fuel Quantity
Altimeter
Radar Altimeter
Vertical Velocity Indicator
Turn & Slip Indicator
VOR
ADF
Horizontal Situation Indicator
Artifical Horizon

and need to find specific manufacturers/gauges to model.

If any of you could point me to a manufacturer and model I would appreciate it.

Thanks.
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Old 26th Aug 2004, 02:50
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Question B206 Bus question

Hi,

As the 3rd step in the "pre-flight" check in the B206, the pilot ensures that the LDG LT is off. The bus is 28 volts (once the battery switch is on), and I'm wondering three things.

1) If the landing light was left in the on position inadvertantly, thus causing significant drain on the battery (assuming a battery and not a GPU start), when he/she later switches the battery on, and fires up the bus, what would the bus voltage be?

2) As there is no ammeter or volt-meter, how does a pilot catch this?

3) If it was not caught, and the pilot attepted to engage the starter (assuming fully charged battery in good condition) would the start function?
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Old 26th Aug 2004, 06:31
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The bus voltage will be battery voltage, whatever that is, prior to start. Assuming a good battery, the start will be close to normal. The starter pulls a *lot* more amperage than the landing light. With a marginal battery, having the landing light on could be the difference between a successful start and an abort, but I've seen people do starts with the landing light on many times. I might have even done it myself once, long long ago.
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Old 26th Aug 2004, 08:28
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Further to Gomers reply,

Most pilots who have flown 206s very quickly come to regonise a low battery.

pt: Your bus voltage will be 28 volts only if there is an external power source connected, or about 27.5v when the eng and generator are running.

The battery voltage should be about 24 volts when the engine/generator is not running.

2) As there is no ammeter or volt-meter, how does a pilot catch this?

3) If it was not caught, and the pilot attepted to engage the starter (assuming fully charged battery in good condition) would the start function?
If your battery has been drained a bit by leaving a landing light on then you may notice a slow acceleration in the n1 after you hit the start button.
The n1 may not reach an RPM that is satisfactory for a light off.
If you choose to continue the start a slow acceleration may occur and the dreaded hot start!

EDIT: Note the above symptoms may only be applicable to 206s fitted with lead/acid batteries.

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Old 26th Aug 2004, 15:58
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Within the pre flight checks the Landing Light is to be in the OFF position. However, if you've missed that and make a start with the Landing Light ON then there is most likely to be a slow increase in rpm and most significant will be that 12% will not be achieved and therefore you must abort the start. Recharge the battery and/or use a GPU and do another start
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Question ENG OUT / LOW Rotor Audio

Where is the audio emitted from in the cockpit? Is it coming from the overhead panel speaker, from behind the main panel, or from some other location?

Thanks,

Patrick
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Old 30th Aug 2004, 05:37
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Question

Depends upon the aircraft. If you're talking Bell 206, in the overhead, up above your left ear. Other types, other locations.
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Old 30th Aug 2004, 06:09
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thanks

Perfect, what I needed to know. I'm putting the sound in a sim, and have not yet gotten in the real thing.

Thanks.
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Old 30th Aug 2004, 06:21
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Cool B206 Sound Recording Needed.

I am modeling a B206, and have already obtained a recording of the battery switched to on, and the resulting audiable warnings for low rotor and engine out.

Now, what I need is a sound recording of the N1 spin up when you engage the starter, including the light at 12-15% N1, and optionally, the throttle up to 100% RRPM.

It would also be great if I had a similar recording from the exterior of the ship too, if possible.

This will allow me to get the sound just right.

I'm noting all the contributors to my project so you will get sent the completed project too!

Just in case my email isn't available, it's <[email protected]>.

Thanks.
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Old 30th Aug 2004, 06:33
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PT,

Try www.sounddogs.com
they have quite a few helicopter sound effects incl 206.
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Awesome find!

Thanks.
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Old 30th Aug 2004, 10:00
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Can you cc the sound file to Hollywood please?

Those drongos over there have only one sound file, a Huey, and it gets used in every film for 2 blades, 3, 4 blades, ducted fans, notars, the whole shebang. Even the R22 in that James Bond film had a turbine engine.
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But don't forget Blue Thunder where the 206 sounds like a 206 - right through the whole start sequence.
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