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Settle boys, settle!
Whilst CHC was not successful in this bid, AH were, and that's good for the industry too. For if CHC had been successful, I gather from the comments here that just as many positions would need to be filled for the contract. The more positions that are made available in an otherwise fairly stagnated Oz helicopter industry, the more the growth factor improves.
Working for the "Giant" in a place much less pleasant than Adelaide, I see the company's very big problem in the shortage of ME CIR crew. This shortage is not exclusive to CHC or Nigeria and the African region but even in homeland Canada, experienced flight crew are scarce. So I don't think the CHC guys/gals that are affected by this change of contract will be unable to be utilisd elsewhere. Unfortunately as we all suffer the consequences of being helicopter drivers, the work can cause you to live in places that if you had a choice, you would rather be elsewhere. (just ask me!
). So good luck to AH, their entry into the market will make it grow, the benefits of which we can all enjoy, including other companys.
As for the comments about John, I have known John for over 20 years, not always have we agreed on things, but I have never found him to be other than honest in all the dealings I have had with him. So I'll stand up on his side for saying what he believes, and putting his name to his comments. It is so easy to go the negative way in commenting about this industry, and I have and still am guilty of this. I promise I'll try harder, if everyone else does.
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Whilst CHC was not successful in this bid, AH were, and that's good for the industry too. For if CHC had been successful, I gather from the comments here that just as many positions would need to be filled for the contract. The more positions that are made available in an otherwise fairly stagnated Oz helicopter industry, the more the growth factor improves.
Working for the "Giant" in a place much less pleasant than Adelaide, I see the company's very big problem in the shortage of ME CIR crew. This shortage is not exclusive to CHC or Nigeria and the African region but even in homeland Canada, experienced flight crew are scarce. So I don't think the CHC guys/gals that are affected by this change of contract will be unable to be utilisd elsewhere. Unfortunately as we all suffer the consequences of being helicopter drivers, the work can cause you to live in places that if you had a choice, you would rather be elsewhere. (just ask me!
). So good luck to AH, their entry into the market will make it grow, the benefits of which we can all enjoy, including other companys. As for the comments about John, I have known John for over 20 years, not always have we agreed on things, but I have never found him to be other than honest in all the dealings I have had with him. So I'll stand up on his side for saying what he believes, and putting his name to his comments. It is so easy to go the negative way in commenting about this industry, and I have and still am guilty of this. I promise I'll try harder, if everyone else does.
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A couple of pages back sling load asked about southcare. I had heard that 2 of their crew had cv's ready to send off to Bristow so they could remain there and a 3rd was looking at employment options in WA.
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[I'm ignoring Mr Vice due to his capacity to wirhdraw his hollow statements when challenged, typical fragile ego]
Interesting observation "Buzz", seeing that there are only three crew there. You must be very very close, as I know them well and that seems out of left field to me.
We had an interesting few flights last night, its bedtime now!!!
Interesting observation "Buzz", seeing that there are only three crew there. You must be very very close, as I know them well and that seems out of left field to me.
We had an interesting few flights last night, its bedtime now!!!
Not enough $$$ ...
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What a farce this thread is becoming.
If any of you is interested in getting the real story, perhaps you'd like to get in touch with real members of Australian Helicopters' management. You'll find their phone number in the White Pages, or their email addresses on their web site.
With a few notable exceptions (e.g. John E), I don't think you'll find much here other than conjecture and assumption, and in some cases mischief, libel, even fraud. Yes, yes, it's a rumour network, but does that give you a licence to say whatever pops into your head?
Do you think the client gives a toss about what is said here? No, because they know most of the people posting here wouldn't have a clue!
If any of you is interested in getting the real story, perhaps you'd like to get in touch with real members of Australian Helicopters' management. You'll find their phone number in the White Pages, or their email addresses on their web site.
With a few notable exceptions (e.g. John E), I don't think you'll find much here other than conjecture and assumption, and in some cases mischief, libel, even fraud. Yes, yes, it's a rumour network, but does that give you a licence to say whatever pops into your head?
Do you think the client gives a toss about what is said here? No, because they know most of the people posting here wouldn't have a clue!
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I hope for AH's sake the client isn't watching, because trying to recruit crew and find machines here isn't very professional now is it!
Vice Like, I like the cut of your jib. I haven't laughed like that for some time.
Vice Like, I like the cut of your jib. I haven't laughed like that for some time.
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High Nr the last time I passed through the CHC base in Canberra there was a few more than 3 on the books.
Wishtobflying is right - the client doesn't give a toss for any comments on this forum - we are just a bunch of jumped up aviators.
Seems to me it was something of a complement to Lloyd for an international like CHC to by them over some of the other options in the Australian market. The other question is did their standards drop when CHC took over - I think not for the "man at the coal face" so to speak.
Wishtobflying is right - the client doesn't give a toss for any comments on this forum - we are just a bunch of jumped up aviators.
Seems to me it was something of a complement to Lloyd for an international like CHC to by them over some of the other options in the Australian market. The other question is did their standards drop when CHC took over - I think not for the "man at the coal face" so to speak.
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High Nr, pulling the "safety heart strings"?! Remind me to never be in the vicinity when you are at the cyclic if you can trivialise safety so easily! Oh, and by the way, the faceless giant you talk of is Chris Ridings. He is head of Australian business for CHC. Want his number?
Thank you Gymble Stop for proving my point. AH is looking for "real workers"! In other words AH is looking for people who will work for nothing! People who will get out of bed every morning and see the "Bristow style pilots and engineers working for CHC" and wonder why they are doing the same job with no spares etc. for less money! How long do you think it will be before they are nicely bitter and twisted?
Come on guys lets be honest, you can use buzz phrases like " thinking outside the square" as much as you like, but when you look "inside the square" all you will see is an operator cutting everything to the bone just to get by. Yes, Guy Lloyd was the same for many years but he was lucky enough to have the NSC fall over and be there with a broom to clean up!
Here is another buzz phrase for you, "keeping it real"!
Thank you Gymble Stop for proving my point. AH is looking for "real workers"! In other words AH is looking for people who will work for nothing! People who will get out of bed every morning and see the "Bristow style pilots and engineers working for CHC" and wonder why they are doing the same job with no spares etc. for less money! How long do you think it will be before they are nicely bitter and twisted?
Come on guys lets be honest, you can use buzz phrases like " thinking outside the square" as much as you like, but when you look "inside the square" all you will see is an operator cutting everything to the bone just to get by. Yes, Guy Lloyd was the same for many years but he was lucky enough to have the NSC fall over and be there with a broom to clean up!
Here is another buzz phrase for you, "keeping it real"!
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Guys....does it really matter who got the deal ? Either way you'll end up flying for A: the one with the job ...or B:who keeps you loyal and happy, which is unlikely, so look again at option A 
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Thanks to all the Kiwis for your private massagers and applications.
Please forward all resumes to the AH head office.
Thanks also for the tip about the 412EP on wheels at Dirty Harry’s has available soon. But they want too much for it. We are working on other options.
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Please forward all resumes to the AH head office.
Thanks also for the tip about the 412EP on wheels at Dirty Harry’s has available soon. But they want too much for it. We are working on other options.
Wishtobflying
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Hey Weigh.
Your correct, we have achieved very little, however its so enjoyable to get the Giants Disciples all steamed up.
The arrogance and the “only we can do it” attitude is so weak and pompose, that I can’t help myself.
Its so easy to identify these ego’s, so obvious really, and totally understandable when you know the folk themselves.
Big companies are vulnerable to implosion, it’s the dynamics of the group that kill themselves from within, high salaries, high overheads, lower profits, low morale, less active personalities at the coalface, arrogance at executive level.
It’s a real challenge to keep that one step ahead.
Pan AM, United, American Airlines are large companies that are in this situation….but I won’t suggest any helicopter mob, not yet, but watch this space.
Mr. Vice in Adelaide, or AV8r in Bendigo and now a non pilot, Mr. Shlaaper in Melbourne are obviously loyal [or blind] to their cause, and I applaud your defence of your company.
Well done Shlaaper. I was talking to two of your crew the other day, and that question of mine could not be answered.
Maybe your clients have the number [as do I].
Your correct, we have achieved very little, however its so enjoyable to get the Giants Disciples all steamed up.
The arrogance and the “only we can do it” attitude is so weak and pompose, that I can’t help myself.
Its so easy to identify these ego’s, so obvious really, and totally understandable when you know the folk themselves.
Big companies are vulnerable to implosion, it’s the dynamics of the group that kill themselves from within, high salaries, high overheads, lower profits, low morale, less active personalities at the coalface, arrogance at executive level.
It’s a real challenge to keep that one step ahead.
Pan AM, United, American Airlines are large companies that are in this situation….but I won’t suggest any helicopter mob, not yet, but watch this space.
Mr. Vice in Adelaide, or AV8r in Bendigo and now a non pilot, Mr. Shlaaper in Melbourne are obviously loyal [or blind] to their cause, and I applaud your defence of your company.
Well done Shlaaper. I was talking to two of your crew the other day, and that question of mine could not be answered.
Maybe your clients have the number [as do I].
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This thread is going no where, no one seems to know what happened to the Canberra contract, has any decision been made?
Gymble Stop, I hope your company can keep the contract, cause CHC made stuff all out of it, and it seems to me that youre price leaders, not innovators.
Gymble Stop, I hope your company can keep the contract, cause CHC made stuff all out of it, and it seems to me that youre price leaders, not innovators.
Schlaaper....you got a twin named Makila by chance?
