Autorotate
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Autorotate
There was some Italian named guy who made comments on a thread removed regarding Autorotate. The thread was deleted along with a comment I had made. I am a little upset about this so I started this new topic to vent.
Autorotate is probably the best aviation photographer I have ever seen. He captures, in his photographs, all the reasons I became a pilot. Adventure, excitement, and the love of flying are in each and every photograph he takes.
Italian named guy, whoever you are, I don't want you making any decisions for me. When Autorotate posts a photograph I see the beauty of flight. I do not plan to do everything I see in his photographs. I enjoy the art of the moment that he has captured. Get over yourself!
God Bless America, the Queen and Tony Blair!
Autorotate is probably the best aviation photographer I have ever seen. He captures, in his photographs, all the reasons I became a pilot. Adventure, excitement, and the love of flying are in each and every photograph he takes.
Italian named guy, whoever you are, I don't want you making any decisions for me. When Autorotate posts a photograph I see the beauty of flight. I do not plan to do everything I see in his photographs. I enjoy the art of the moment that he has captured. Get over yourself!
God Bless America, the Queen and Tony Blair!
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From: 48 Deg South
Black Fly - Thanks but after Giovannis comments am not going to post images here again in case someone gets held accountable.
He alluded at the end of his post that these images would make their way to the relevant authorities, and that some of the tar would stick to me, well that just goes to show what sort of a person he is, plain and simple. In my opinion there is no point in posting anything if someone such as him wishes to forward them onto authorities in a "tell tale" way.
Thanks again for your comments and hope you enjoy the images that all the others post to the thread.
Autorotate.
He alluded at the end of his post that these images would make their way to the relevant authorities, and that some of the tar would stick to me, well that just goes to show what sort of a person he is, plain and simple. In my opinion there is no point in posting anything if someone such as him wishes to forward them onto authorities in a "tell tale" way.
Thanks again for your comments and hope you enjoy the images that all the others post to the thread.
Autorotate.
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Autorotate I am saddened by what you say, but I understand why you feel as you do. I don't know the fellow who made the threats but I hope he understands what he has cost us all here on this forum by his comments. If this man is Italian it is really ironic given all the wonderful works of art in Italy. I am a simple guy but I tell you, the art there talks to me just in the same way as your photographs do.
I thank you for the wonderful photographs you posted.
I thank you for the wonderful photographs you posted.
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N Man
You have such good photos of Helicopters. Me thinks you may have some other photos hidden away you sly devil..........Shall I ask Broberg.??
Let the idiot send forth his stuff. Im sure he already is recognized for what he is and folks will not pay attention....
How come I miss all the good fights..............
By the way Ned you missed it today. 3/6 pukers in the Ditch. 2 were double baggers..........wanna ride with me??
You have such good photos of Helicopters. Me thinks you may have some other photos hidden away you sly devil..........Shall I ask Broberg.??
Let the idiot send forth his stuff. Im sure he already is recognized for what he is and folks will not pay attention....
How come I miss all the good fights..............
By the way Ned you missed it today. 3/6 pukers in the Ditch. 2 were double baggers..........wanna ride with me??
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From: 48 Deg South
Bert - Will ride with you anytime and have some incriminating photos of Broberg, Arthur Walker, Gary Arthur and the crew when we flew from Jo'Burg to Nairobbery. But not publishable here 
If Giovanni (John109) wants to go through with his comment of sending them to those in charge then he need remember that photos are not evidence anymore because they can be easily doctored. Whose to say these ones werent doctored before being posted
Only two people know for sure, me and the person flying the helo, and do you think we will tell, I doubt it, so lets see him put his money where his mouth is and carry out his threat.
Other point is he doesnt have permission to download them and email them anywhere, basically classes as breach of copyright and I would love nothing more to take him to task over it. Anyway sticking by my decision not to post anything here as not going to take the chance of anyone getting into deep !!!!e because of actions like his. Would rather keep those images tucked away for my enjoyment than get B/S comments like his everytime I post something.
Heading back to SA soon to Kruger and will stop in and say hi to Broberg and Freddie.
Autorotate.
P.S. Black Fly - He's not Italian, either Aussie or Kiwi.
If Giovanni (John109) wants to go through with his comment of sending them to those in charge then he need remember that photos are not evidence anymore because they can be easily doctored. Whose to say these ones werent doctored before being posted
Only two people know for sure, me and the person flying the helo, and do you think we will tell, I doubt it, so lets see him put his money where his mouth is and carry out his threat.Other point is he doesnt have permission to download them and email them anywhere, basically classes as breach of copyright and I would love nothing more to take him to task over it. Anyway sticking by my decision not to post anything here as not going to take the chance of anyone getting into deep !!!!e because of actions like his. Would rather keep those images tucked away for my enjoyment than get B/S comments like his everytime I post something.
Heading back to SA soon to Kruger and will stop in and say hi to Broberg and Freddie.
Autorotate.
P.S. Black Fly - He's not Italian, either Aussie or Kiwi.
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great photos
Hey there all...autorotate does this refer to the removal of that thread with the great photos of helis in `interesting positions`???
AMAZING flying and AMAZING photos...it takes two to tango fantastic........
At included in that thread was a link to another site with an mpeg video of a Schweizer 300 doing some more amazing flying......I only downloaded half the footage and was keen to get the rest........could someone please repost the link to the site....PLEASE?????????????
Keep smiling
AMAZING flying and AMAZING photos...it takes two to tango fantastic........
At included in that thread was a link to another site with an mpeg video of a Schweizer 300 doing some more amazing flying......I only downloaded half the footage and was keen to get the rest........could someone please repost the link to the site....PLEASE?????????????
Keep smiling
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I take it that Mr. X has made an issue regarding photos published on this forum by Autorotate and has threatened to turn them in to authorities as evidence of something that may or may not have happened somewhere.
Autorotate is a personal friend and someone who has done more than most people realize to make this forum the very special place that it is. Autorotate is, and despite the best efforts of at least one individual in this forum, will remain a valued and respected member of the International aviation community. When someone threatens him, and a fellow helicopter pilot, that person threatens and diminishes us all.
Helicopter pilots have always been brothers and sisters that have somehow risen above the petty backbiting that is seen in other sectors of aviation. It appears that the times are changing and we have a new breed of helicopter pilot in our midst. Black Fly, I share your sadness.
Autorotate is a personal friend and someone who has done more than most people realize to make this forum the very special place that it is. Autorotate is, and despite the best efforts of at least one individual in this forum, will remain a valued and respected member of the International aviation community. When someone threatens him, and a fellow helicopter pilot, that person threatens and diminishes us all.
Helicopter pilots have always been brothers and sisters that have somehow risen above the petty backbiting that is seen in other sectors of aviation. It appears that the times are changing and we have a new breed of helicopter pilot in our midst. Black Fly, I share your sadness.
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I can't believe it, one of my fav threads are the photos, especially autorotate's, because they are from all over the world, and now because of some prat we are going to miss out, except what we will see in his magazine, personally i'm gutted.
Cheers for the photos Auto, they were enjoyed by 99.9999% of people on here
Cheers for the photos Auto, they were enjoyed by 99.9999% of people on here
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Knowing Giovanni, i think you will find that he was not threatening to dob you, but simply stating that some other weasel might do so.
Giovanni is a very knowledgeable and talented and experienced man, and dobbing a fellow kiwi would not be part of his modus operandi.
And anyway, most of the shots were from NZ, and we all know kiwis are crazy!!
Giovanni is a very knowledgeable and talented and experienced man, and dobbing a fellow kiwi would not be part of his modus operandi.
And anyway, most of the shots were from NZ, and we all know kiwis are crazy!!
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From: 48 Deg South
Ascend Charlie - Sorry but disagree, his post clearly alluded that he would do so and that he would make sure some of the tar stuck to me. Believe what you like about him, I know what I read. If he has a burr in his ass about me then thats his problem.
And I also stick by my decision not to post any more images showing helos doing anything other than what they are supposed to do. I have no desire for others to get their ass in a sling because of someone emailing one of my pics to the authorities.
Autorotate.
And I also stick by my decision not to post any more images showing helos doing anything other than what they are supposed to do. I have no desire for others to get their ass in a sling because of someone emailing one of my pics to the authorities.
Autorotate.
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Autorotate
There is no way any pilot is going to get in trouble with any aviation authority on the strength of a photograph posted here.
Don't take any notice of any rubbish from anyone who suggests otherwise.
Please don't deprive the rest of us of the pleasure of seeing your superb photographs just because one person posts nonsense.
There is no way any pilot is going to get in trouble with any aviation authority on the strength of a photograph posted here.
Don't take any notice of any rubbish from anyone who suggests otherwise.
Please don't deprive the rest of us of the pleasure of seeing your superb photographs just because one person posts nonsense.
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Autorotate,
It had the desired effect obviously and you have voluntarily removed the thread, but I think you should check what you are saying. Ascend Charlie knows who I am and he doesn't seem to follow your line of thinking either.
Read the question.
For those that would appear to be "not the sharpest tools in the shed" - posting photographs like this does not do anything to enhance helicopters or aviation in general.
Take either of these images - ask yourself the following,
a) would you now buy the aircraft with your own cash?
b) would you place your professional integrity on the line and recommend someone else buy it?
c) does the owner of the aircraft know and condone this behaviour.
d) would you take this photograph to your bank manager requesting a loan to purchase it?
e) would you take this photograph to your insurance broker?
f) if your Mother was a passenger in it and the next day it came to grief for some mechanical reason that could not be established and this photograph was in the public domain as it is here? Flying Lawyer over to you and your knowledge if Mamma was a US citizen. BTW how are your South African and New Zealand Aviation law skills. You are correct, in your assumption, but would these photographs be inadmissible in an accident investigation? An accident investigation does not apportion blame remember.
Ned, thanks for removing the pics, but not for the reasons you are thinking of. My inference was, if you had a licence, would you post these photographs here with the full knowledge that you were the pilot and stand there and say you were a professional pilot? Let me know.
I agree with the rest of the contributors that your photographs are excellent and please continue to post. The ones marked "Holy Sh$t" please throw back in the bottom draw.
Rich I understand your comments but also where your coming from, we don't all spend half our lives upside down in an AH64 at KFFZ or thereabouts and Ned can post all the pics of you he wants.
Yes I am a Kiwi or an Aussie, and Ned no I will not comment on your driving skills - think January.
Remember this is an OPEN PUBLIC forum and you are playing with fire. These aircraft are all civil registered and would appear to be commercially operated. Is this really the place to post this stuff?
An interesting point, I had a beer with Ned in January, I know Ascend Charlie pretty well and he knows who I am and I have flown with Rich Lee!!
What was that about six degrees of seperation?
Now Ned just to clarify things, in 25 words or less tell us the positive aspect of WHY you posted those photographs.
It had the desired effect obviously and you have voluntarily removed the thread, but I think you should check what you are saying. Ascend Charlie knows who I am and he doesn't seem to follow your line of thinking either.
Read the question.
For those that would appear to be "not the sharpest tools in the shed" - posting photographs like this does not do anything to enhance helicopters or aviation in general.
Take either of these images - ask yourself the following,
a) would you now buy the aircraft with your own cash?
b) would you place your professional integrity on the line and recommend someone else buy it?
c) does the owner of the aircraft know and condone this behaviour.
d) would you take this photograph to your bank manager requesting a loan to purchase it?
e) would you take this photograph to your insurance broker?
f) if your Mother was a passenger in it and the next day it came to grief for some mechanical reason that could not be established and this photograph was in the public domain as it is here? Flying Lawyer over to you and your knowledge if Mamma was a US citizen. BTW how are your South African and New Zealand Aviation law skills. You are correct, in your assumption, but would these photographs be inadmissible in an accident investigation? An accident investigation does not apportion blame remember.
Ned, thanks for removing the pics, but not for the reasons you are thinking of. My inference was, if you had a licence, would you post these photographs here with the full knowledge that you were the pilot and stand there and say you were a professional pilot? Let me know.
I agree with the rest of the contributors that your photographs are excellent and please continue to post. The ones marked "Holy Sh$t" please throw back in the bottom draw.
Rich I understand your comments but also where your coming from, we don't all spend half our lives upside down in an AH64 at KFFZ or thereabouts and Ned can post all the pics of you he wants.
Yes I am a Kiwi or an Aussie, and Ned no I will not comment on your driving skills - think January.
Remember this is an OPEN PUBLIC forum and you are playing with fire. These aircraft are all civil registered and would appear to be commercially operated. Is this really the place to post this stuff?
An interesting point, I had a beer with Ned in January, I know Ascend Charlie pretty well and he knows who I am and I have flown with Rich Lee!!
What was that about six degrees of seperation?
Now Ned just to clarify things, in 25 words or less tell us the positive aspect of WHY you posted those photographs.
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Giovanni
You're entitled to express your opinions about the photographs. Some people might agree with you, some might think you're making a big mountain out of a very small (or non-existent) molehill.
At the moment, I'm more concerned to know what you said to Ned.
Did you say or hint you might arrange for an aviation authority to see the photographs?
Did you say you'd saved the images?
If yes, for what reason? Because they're superb pics, or for some other reason?
What you said about tar sticking to Ned?
Did you say it? If yes, what did you mean by it?
We'e all grown-ups on this forum, even the people you don't think are as bright as you, and we know the difference between genuine friendly advice and threats, thinly-veiled or otherwise. Which was it?
Heliport
You're entitled to express your opinions about the photographs. Some people might agree with you, some might think you're making a big mountain out of a very small (or non-existent) molehill.
At the moment, I'm more concerned to know what you said to Ned.
Did you say or hint you might arrange for an aviation authority to see the photographs?
Did you say you'd saved the images?
If yes, for what reason? Because they're superb pics, or for some other reason?
What you said about tar sticking to Ned?
Did you say it? If yes, what did you mean by it?
We'e all grown-ups on this forum, even the people you don't think are as bright as you, and we know the difference between genuine friendly advice and threats, thinly-veiled or otherwise. Which was it?
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Heliport...........
To elaborate............
No I did not download the photographs, I have no personal interest in them. Seen it all before yet there was nothing to stop me. What they could possibly used for could be an issue with copyright which is clear.
No I did not infer that I might arrange for any authority to see the photographs, they are quite free to do that themselves, for all Ned knows I might be that authority, but I can assure you I am not.
My point is this is a PUBLIC forum and there are numerous lurkers who could be anyone who may not have an initiated oulook on this type of flying.
Could Ned just be a little responsible about WHAT is posted.
Granted one of Ned's publication's (HO) is very well presented and he definitely has great photographic skills, of that there is no doubt.
The point about the tar - if Ned was the pilot, would he be quite happy that this was a true representation of his behaviour in flight - to the uninitiated, we might all fly like this.
Take for example, if you remember the pics of the NPS 902 carrying out similar manoeuvres in an issue of HO magazine. Behold a short while later the thing is laying on it's side in a paddock with no tailboom!
It only takes one rotten apple in the basket.
There is every reason for the events being totally unrelated, but Joe Public might not see it that way.
Now somebody tell me WHAT the point is of posting a photograph of an aircraft that has been purposefully place in an unusual attitude that is outside the limitations section of the flight manual?
I doubt that I am the first and probably not the last to ask Autorotate to kindly just pull the head back in a little and THINK before posting certain photographs. It reflects on us all.
No I did not download the photographs, I have no personal interest in them. Seen it all before yet there was nothing to stop me. What they could possibly used for could be an issue with copyright which is clear.
No I did not infer that I might arrange for any authority to see the photographs, they are quite free to do that themselves, for all Ned knows I might be that authority, but I can assure you I am not.
My point is this is a PUBLIC forum and there are numerous lurkers who could be anyone who may not have an initiated oulook on this type of flying.
Could Ned just be a little responsible about WHAT is posted.
Granted one of Ned's publication's (HO) is very well presented and he definitely has great photographic skills, of that there is no doubt.
The point about the tar - if Ned was the pilot, would he be quite happy that this was a true representation of his behaviour in flight - to the uninitiated, we might all fly like this.
Take for example, if you remember the pics of the NPS 902 carrying out similar manoeuvres in an issue of HO magazine. Behold a short while later the thing is laying on it's side in a paddock with no tailboom!
It only takes one rotten apple in the basket.
There is every reason for the events being totally unrelated, but Joe Public might not see it that way.
Now somebody tell me WHAT the point is of posting a photograph of an aircraft that has been purposefully place in an unusual attitude that is outside the limitations section of the flight manual?
I doubt that I am the first and probably not the last to ask Autorotate to kindly just pull the head back in a little and THINK before posting certain photographs. It reflects on us all.
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Can someone please explain what is the point of the argument?
The responsibility for any alleged transgression lies with the pilot, not someone who saw the event and took a photo of it.
How is Autorotate supposed to know what is and isn't allowed?
If the aircraft has been damaged by the pilots actions, surely it is better that the action WAS in the public domain.
The responsibility for any alleged transgression lies with the pilot, not someone who saw the event and took a photo of it.
How is Autorotate supposed to know what is and isn't allowed?
If the aircraft has been damaged by the pilots actions, surely it is better that the action WAS in the public domain.
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.... and just maybe those uninitiated people wouldn't know there was a problem with the pictures, (I didn't see them unfortunatley), if you hadn't brought it to their attention GCN?
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Giovanni,
First off I am surprised you say you didnt download them as your original message said you DID save them to your hard disk in case the message was deleted and secondly you did allude to dobbing them in as you specifically referred to having some of the tar stick to me for my actions. Not going to get into a he said or she said, I know what I read.
With regards to the rest of your response, fair comments and taken onboard. No more images will be posted of aircraft in unusual attitudes and that solves the problem.
For the record however the one of the 500D was actually shot at the Taupo Airshow in front of 15,000 people so I am pretty sure I wasnt the only one who has that image, and CAA reps were there as well.
Autorotate.
First off I am surprised you say you didnt download them as your original message said you DID save them to your hard disk in case the message was deleted and secondly you did allude to dobbing them in as you specifically referred to having some of the tar stick to me for my actions. Not going to get into a he said or she said, I know what I read.
With regards to the rest of your response, fair comments and taken onboard. No more images will be posted of aircraft in unusual attitudes and that solves the problem.
For the record however the one of the 500D was actually shot at the Taupo Airshow in front of 15,000 people so I am pretty sure I wasnt the only one who has that image, and CAA reps were there as well.
Autorotate.