Converting non-JAA (Including FAA) license to JAA licence
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Converting non-JAA (Including FAA) license to JAA licence
Hello all, Well i had a look through all info that had nicely been put together but couldnt find ( not saying its not there ) the kind i need.
So, Has anyone recent experience of converting a non-jaa license to a jaa license?? any advice on schools to use or any loopholes like training in France to make it cheaper???
I currently have 1800 hrs and didnt really want to take a year on a distance training course before i could fly again.
Any advice is better than none.
Cheers Lee
So, Has anyone recent experience of converting a non-jaa license to a jaa license?? any advice on schools to use or any loopholes like training in France to make it cheaper???
I currently have 1800 hrs and didnt really want to take a year on a distance training course before i could fly again.
Any advice is better than none.
Cheers Lee
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New CPL(H)!!
Hi Charlie,
Just wondered about the last bit of your post. The new CPL(H) exams?. I would be in the same position as the last chap. In the US working, would like to do the corresopndance course hold ICAO CPL(H). Any recommendations?
Thank you for your advice in advance
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Just wondered about the last bit of your post. The new CPL(H) exams?. I would be in the same position as the last chap. In the US working, would like to do the corresopndance course hold ICAO CPL(H). Any recommendations?
Thank you for your advice in advance
Darren
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Thanks for your help charlie, i did contact cabair and was told i could either do a one year distance learning with a one week visit every three months or 19 weeks for the in house ground training.
I was told about the "discrestion of the trainer" part by the CAA but there doesnt seem to be alot of approved schools that teach to CPL(H) level or offer condensed ground training courses.
I have heard before that bristol is supposed to be good so i think i will check them out for the distance training. But anyone with advice for a good school for the flying??
Lee
I was told about the "discrestion of the trainer" part by the CAA but there doesnt seem to be alot of approved schools that teach to CPL(H) level or offer condensed ground training courses.
I have heard before that bristol is supposed to be good so i think i will check them out for the distance training. But anyone with advice for a good school for the flying??
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Converting FAA ATP to JAA ATPL
I am sure that this question has probably been addressed before but I am relatively new to Pprune so bear with me 
I have a FAA CPL and am currently a CFII. I plan to work in the US for a few more years build experience and get my ATP. Does anyone know if there is a way to covert over to a JAA ATPL without taking all 14 exams? 
What kind of experience should I be building while I'm here? Eventually I would like to work off-shore few weeks on, few weeks off. Thanks for your input....
I have a FAA CPL and am currently a CFII. I plan to work in the US for a few more years build experience and get my ATP. Does anyone know if there is a way to covert over to a JAA ATPL without taking all 14 exams? What kind of experience should I be building while I'm here? Eventually I would like to work off-shore few weeks on, few weeks off. Thanks for your input....
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Re: Converting FAA ATP to JAA ATPL
I myself had gone through all this before trying to figure it out through numerous calls to the CAA in England. If you do a search through the Rotorheads Forum you will find the answers to your questions, but to cut it short there is no short cut!
As it stands last time I was investigating over a year and half ago, you will have to sit all the exams and possibly do some flying time. The CAA told me the amount of time required is up to the flight school, so pick a school that is honest and not gonna stiff you. It could be 5 hours or 30 hours.
There are numerous options to getting the exams done. Going to a crash cours for 6 months or so at Cabair or Oxford, or doing the online version which would take about a year. The best I have heard for the online training is Bristol.
To answer some of your questions you need to explain what citizenship you have. I gather you are most likely a European who went to HAI or something and on the 2 year work visa. There are many options out there, and it all depends where and what you want to do.
Good luck!
As it stands last time I was investigating over a year and half ago, you will have to sit all the exams and possibly do some flying time. The CAA told me the amount of time required is up to the flight school, so pick a school that is honest and not gonna stiff you. It could be 5 hours or 30 hours.
There are numerous options to getting the exams done. Going to a crash cours for 6 months or so at Cabair or Oxford, or doing the online version which would take about a year. The best I have heard for the online training is Bristol.
To answer some of your questions you need to explain what citizenship you have. I gather you are most likely a European who went to HAI or something and on the 2 year work visa. There are many options out there, and it all depends where and what you want to do.
Good luck!
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Re: Converting FAA ATP to JAA ATPL
Thanks for the help, I am sure I will have to do lots of research. 
I am actually an American married to a European who has the JAA frozen ATPL and FAA license already so we are able to fly in the US indefinately...
I am actually an American married to a European who has the JAA frozen ATPL and FAA license already so we are able to fly in the US indefinately...
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Re: Converting FAA ATP to JAA ATPL
Try www.jaa.nl Look up FCL 2 (Flight Crew Licensing - Helicopters) It'll at least tell you what you are up against and the subject material to study for any exams you have to complete. If you have a frozen ATPL and you have not completed your IR in 3 years or less, it may cause the invalidity of the frozen ATPL exams. Each authority seems to have a different 'Take' on the interpretation of the regulation. But then the ambiguity is wide.....and that applies to alot of JAA Blah!!!!
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Re: Converting FAA ATP to JAA ATPL
Helichick
I have said this before but:
"Welcome to the world of you don't know anything about flying until we show you and take your money off you".
Also look at LASORS on the UK CAA website. Alot of information in there.
I have said this before but:
"Welcome to the world of you don't know anything about flying until we show you and take your money off you".
Also look at LASORS on the UK CAA website. Alot of information in there.
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Re: Converting FAA ATP to JAA ATPL
Helichick
Have a look at the other thread about "Flying in Europe with an FAA license". Very frustrating process and I would guess that you would have to do all 14 examinations, the flight test and fork out lots of $$/GBP/Euro's. As per the other advice you got.
Jab
Have a look at the other thread about "Flying in Europe with an FAA license". Very frustrating process and I would guess that you would have to do all 14 examinations, the flight test and fork out lots of $$/GBP/Euro's. As per the other advice you got.
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All about converting
I have FAA licenses. CPL-H + IR
I am leaving back for Europe. I know the normal way is 6-9 months school, 14 exams ATPL etc.
Everyday I hear new rumors about the conversion part. But most is probably just a dream. I know it was my own choise to get my FAA license first, even when I knew I had to convert after I am done in the US.
I have started to realise how much work it is to convert to JAA today. To be honest I think the JAA organsiation is a little
. But thats my sight.
I would like to know if anyone can either confirm or kill a rumor.
Some people say it is easier to convert to a JAA license, if you have a CAA license. Like from Canada. Is this true, if yes what is the difference?
I am leaving back for Europe. I know the normal way is 6-9 months school, 14 exams ATPL etc.
Everyday I hear new rumors about the conversion part. But most is probably just a dream. I know it was my own choise to get my FAA license first, even when I knew I had to convert after I am done in the US.
I have started to realise how much work it is to convert to JAA today. To be honest I think the JAA organsiation is a little
. But thats my sight.I would like to know if anyone can either confirm or kill a rumor.
Some people say it is easier to convert to a JAA license, if you have a CAA license. Like from Canada. Is this true, if yes what is the difference?
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In my humble opinion I find that people who think the JAA organisation is a little where exams are concerned are too lazy to write them. You said yourself you have started to realise how much work it is to convert to JAA today - everyone is looking for the easy way out. My suggestion is stop moaning about how hard it is, do a bit of studying, and take the exams.
Rant over..
where exams are concerned are too lazy to write them. You said yourself you have started to realise how much work it is to convert to JAA today - everyone is looking for the easy way out. My suggestion is stop moaning about how hard it is, do a bit of studying, and take the exams. Rant over..
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Mort
Firstly, the only grace you will get when converting is for the flying training. No way to get past the theory exams.
Foreigner
I personally think the JAA system of 14 exams for the JAA ATPL is a load of Said it before and I will say it again.
Why wouldn't a pilot who has trained overseas, spent his hard earned cash, trained very hard and passed the flight (and theory) requirements try to find the easy route? I think every pilot should try and do the same. Why pay for something twice when you don't have to.
Anywhere else in the world (other than the JAA) will recognise ICAO qualifications and have a "bridging" system.
Firstly, the only grace you will get when converting is for the flying training. No way to get past the theory exams.
Foreigner
I personally think the JAA system of 14 exams for the JAA ATPL is a load of
Said it before and I will say it again.Why wouldn't a pilot who has trained overseas, spent his hard earned cash, trained very hard and passed the flight (and theory) requirements try to find the easy route? I think every pilot should try and do the same. Why pay for something twice when you don't have to.
Anywhere else in the world (other than the JAA) will recognise ICAO qualifications and have a "bridging" system.
Oogle is correct. The JAA system is designed to keep out those who did a licence somewhere else, and if you do want to fly there, then they will extract a large sum of cash from you, to pass exams you have already sat else where...sort of like a penalty really.
If they were really worried about others standards, they would let you sit a "Bridging" exam, or even let you sit the exams without doing an "approved" ground school course. If I know the theory, why won't you let me sit the exams??? "Ahhh, but without the ground school we don't know if you are at our standard" ...Well if I pass your exams, then I guess I must be...
I thought the "I" in ICAO stood for international?
If they were really worried about others standards, they would let you sit a "Bridging" exam, or even let you sit the exams without doing an "approved" ground school course. If I know the theory, why won't you let me sit the exams??? "Ahhh, but without the ground school we don't know if you are at our standard" ...Well if I pass your exams, then I guess I must be...
I thought the "I" in ICAO stood for international?
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Originally Posted by BigMike
Oogle is correct. The JAA system is designed to keep out those who did a licence somewhere else, and if you do want to fly there, then they will extract a large sum of cash from you, to pass exams you have already sat else where...sort of like a penalty really.
If they were really worried about others standards, they would let you sit a "Bridging" exam, or even let you sit the exams without doing an "approved" ground school course. If I know the theory, why won't you let me sit the exams??? "Ahhh, but without the ground school we don't know if you are at our standard" ...Well if I pass your exams, then I guess I must be...
I thought the "I" in ICAO stood for international?
If they were really worried about others standards, they would let you sit a "Bridging" exam, or even let you sit the exams without doing an "approved" ground school course. If I know the theory, why won't you let me sit the exams??? "Ahhh, but without the ground school we don't know if you are at our standard" ...Well if I pass your exams, then I guess I must be...
I thought the "I" in ICAO stood for international?
And I am not moaning, never have and never will. But YES, I am looking for the cheapest way to get my JAA licenses. I feel the same way as BigMike here. If they where worried about the standards, why not let us only take the exams?
I find it funny and depressing to know the JAA system is so complicated for foreign licenses. Ofcourse they can require more than other countries, but 650 hours of ground required??
I called the Australian CAA the other day, and asked what i need to do if I want theyr licenses. "You need to take our AIRLAW exam, and a practice test" .
Thats the way it should be.
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Just to clarify the situation regarding the amount of theory training required: if you have an ICAO CPL(H) and wish to convert to a JAA CPL(H) you do not have to undertake 650 hours of theory. That is only if you are wishing to convert your ICAO CPL(H) to JAA ATPL(H)
Lasors 2006 Section D Page 22
There is a similar section for converting an ICAO ATPL(H) to JAA ATPL(H).
Undertake CPL(H) theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the Head of Training of an approved training provider and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at CPL(H) level.
Applicants who wish to attempt examinations at a higher level (i.e. ATPL(H) level) must undertake the full 650 hour course of approved theoretical knowledge instruction and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL
Applicants who wish to attempt examinations at a higher level (i.e. ATPL(H) level) must undertake the full 650 hour course of approved theoretical knowledge instruction and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL
There is a similar section for converting an ICAO ATPL(H) to JAA ATPL(H).
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Originally Posted by mongoose237
Just to clarify the situation regarding the amount of theory training required: if you have an ICAO CPL(H) and wish to convert to a JAA CPL(H) you do not have to undertake 650 hours of theory. That is only if you are wishing to convert your ICAO CPL(H) to JAA ATPL(H)
Lasors 2006 Section D Page 22
There is a similar section for converting an ICAO ATPL(H) to JAA ATPL(H).
Lasors 2006 Section D Page 22
There is a similar section for converting an ICAO ATPL(H) to JAA ATPL(H).
But most companies require CPL-H , IR and atleast ATPL theory. So If i want to get my CPL-H and IR only thats 9 exams for the CPL and 7 for the IR. Total of 16 if I am not mistaken.
So, than you might as well go for the ATPL witch is 14.
Or am I wrong here?
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ATPL(H) is probably the most sensible route.
But lets look at things realistically. You will have to be signed on with a course provider of some description or another before you can take the exams.
If you opt for a distance-learning course, which is cheapest way, then how are they going to know if you did 650 hours of study, or 5?
If your theory is up to the standard, then you won't have to do any more training than necessary. My guess is you will find the course notes and associated brush courses essential, far from being the waste of time many believe it would be.
This is in no way aimed at you personally, mortennb, but many people grumble profusely about the licence conversion. Particularly high time ICAO ATPL holders. Well, there is no minimum theory training requirements for them. If they believe their knowledge and understanding is on a par with that of the JAA system then just sit the exams. If it isn't, then the JAA has every right not to afford you a licence.
Any arguments about whether you actually need to know half the subject matter for the JAA exams is irrelevant.
But lets look at things realistically. You will have to be signed on with a course provider of some description or another before you can take the exams.
If you opt for a distance-learning course, which is cheapest way, then how are they going to know if you did 650 hours of study, or 5?
If your theory is up to the standard, then you won't have to do any more training than necessary. My guess is you will find the course notes and associated brush courses essential, far from being the waste of time many believe it would be.
This is in no way aimed at you personally, mortennb, but many people grumble profusely about the licence conversion. Particularly high time ICAO ATPL holders. Well, there is no minimum theory training requirements for them. If they believe their knowledge and understanding is on a par with that of the JAA system then just sit the exams. If it isn't, then the JAA has every right not to afford you a licence.
Any arguments about whether you actually need to know half the subject matter for the JAA exams is irrelevant.