Converting non-JAA (Including FAA) license to JAA licence

[MartinCh]

Anyone in the know about the UK CAA credit for ICAO FI -> JAA FI (done in the UK) and the future of it after April 2012?

I emailed one heli FTO in the UK asking about it and was told something along the lines of 'nothing set in stone/cancelled/decided'. It all depends on money, but the reduction in ground and 30 to 15hrs flight training minimum, as of now, may not be anymore.

Thanks

[BillieBob]

The provisions of Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 2.320E, which is where the (incorrect) assumption of 30hrs ground and 15hrs flight instruction comes from, will be replaced by Article 7(2) of the Regulation on Personnel Licensing, which states:

Applicants for Part–FCL licences already holding at least an equivalent licence, rating or certificate issued in accordance with Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention by a third country shall comply with all the requirements of Annex I to this Regulation, except that the requirements of course duration, number of lessons and specific training hours may be reduced.

The credit given to the applicant shall be determined by the Member State to which the pilot applies on the basis of a recommendation from an approved training organisation.

In practical terms, this means that you will have to approach an ATO for an assessment, based on which a recommendation will be made to the competent authority who may (or may not) give its approval. Every applicant should, therefore, be assessed individually, depending upon their experience and ability (and the ATO's wish to make a profit), and the blanket 15/30 will be consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs. However, given the UK CAA's record of making up the rules as it goes along, usually in an effort to reduce its workload, I would not be surprised if, in the UK at least, it were left entirely to the ATO's to determine the credit awarded.

[helibuzzer]

foca===pain.....no way it's hard to get any info out of swiss chopper schools!!!

[elmatador69]

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guys I don't get it does it mean that somebody who bring a Canadian license will have the right to get the uk license just by doing an evaluation ? from april 2012 ???

it's too much regulations and information's all I want is to get the God- uk JAA license via the cheapest way

[MartinCh]

EM69,

BillieBob was talking about my query about foreign FI(H) raing to JAA FI rating.
Not CPL conversion. Sure, you can use 'training as required' provision in FCL, but you are not likely to avoid having to do CPL/ATPL theory. I have no clue as to how the large jet PIC time for no ground school requirement and temporary validation granted in couple countries like Ireland or Spain, translate into helicopter world.

Thanks BB,
I may not have time or spare cash to do JAA FI conversion in the UK by the time I'm finished with CPL conversion. I already hold FAA CPL/FI papers and except 4hrs simulated instrument, all the 'JAA PIC' requirements for heli FI in the UK as well. This April 2012 thing gives more questions than answers.

So in theory, I could do JAA FI with less hours if current/proficient. Nice. Will see how realistic that is. I also doubt countries outside UK would be very knowledgeable about this dispensation, or willing to apply them.

[The Aubergine]

Licence Conversion Schools

Hello fellow Rotorheads,

I am just wondering if anybody has any recommendations on flying schools that do licence conversions from CAA to JAR. Also, if anyone has any stories or tips on getting it done that would be great. Cheers.

[Pandalet]

I assume you're talking about NZ CAA -> JAA, and not UK national CPL -> JAA?

[The Aubergine]

Yeah, NZ CPL(H) to UK CPL (H). I have about 1200 hours and I'm just wondering what hoops I'll need to jump through to convert over.

[Red Ant]

Recently attended Bristow Academy (Gloucester)

Anyone recently completed an ME IR (H) at Bristow Academy (UK), or at BOND next door. I would like any constructive criticism anybody might have, that would help making an informed decision between them more helpful.

Thanks in advance, PM if you would rather keep it off the thread.

[Chopper Jog]

JAR ATP(H)

Is there a JAA country where it is easier to obtain a JAR license? I have an Australian, Canadian and South African ATP with Instrument Rating with more then 1000hrs multi-crew hour requirement.

[Peter PanPan]

The UK would probably be the easiest country to obtain a JAR License since it probably has the widest array of options in terms of training. It's the only EASA country that has approved FTOs outside the EU, for instance in the US. It's also the only EASA country that has exam centers on 3 different continents allowing you to sit your written exams in various places. Not sure if the previous points fall under your definition of "easy" but if I'd go through the UK CAA if I needed a JAR License

[Flyting]

it's also the only exams which are helicopter specific.... and unfortunately, also the most useless CAA

[MartinCh]

Some people have good experience with UK CAA.
regardless of that, very pricey indeed. Anything.

[Helinut]

I was under the impression that once EASA FCL applied any schools outside an EASA country were required to be regulated by EASA itself (rather than a national authority). There have been so many changes, I may be wrong.

[helibuzzer]

14 exams timeframe

Fellow chocks,
has any of you gentlemen done the 14 exams FAA to JAA ATPL (H) IR (UK) in less than 4 month....assuming online course and no classroom requirements ????
and if so, which online course? last but not least can you take the skill test in a different JAA country from where the written test was taken??

Input is much appreciated....cheers

[Flyting]

It all depends on how much time you have to study/learn/practice exam questions... It's a lot of material to get through and a TON of online questions... I went through over 12000 questions which really REALLY helped.
When I did it in 2011 the UK CAA was still doing paper exams...! Which meant that once you wrote an exam, you would have to wait 3 weeks for results, which meant that you wouldn't be able to make the booking period of 2 week prior to the exam sitting, so you would have to wait for the next months sitting.
I believe that they are in the process of changing over to computer based examinations (or have already - someone can confirm) which would speed the whole process up by months
Get all your UK entry visas sorted out well before the exam dates.
I would recommend CAPT (Add on the right at times)

With regard to doing your flight test in another land, yes you can...
http://www.pprune.org/flying-instruc...ight-exam.html

[paco]

First of all there are no courses with no classroom requirements - for the ATPL(H) you have to do at least 65 hours in the classroom. Some schools make you do more than this. When you say "online course" - do you mean with CBT? It's not always the best method.

I can put you in touch with a couple of people who have not only studied within 3-4 months but took all the exams at the same time - and passed.

Don't think they have gotten as far as separate skills tests yet but maybe somebody knows about them.

Phil

PS - Flyting - I believe they are testing the computer stuff in Malaysia right now. I see you beat me to it with the flight test stuff.

[GoodGrief]

Flyting,
I followed the link you posted, it reveals interesting stuff.
Now, the Germans screwed it up again, 2.065 (b) only allows to get further ratings in other member states, no such thing as split training.

Too much nationalism going on in the JAA regs.

[Flyting]

I did my ground schools and exams in the UK as they were the only ones offering helicopter specific studies/exams. I live in Austria and had absolutely no intention of going back to the UK to fly there or work there so I contacted both CAA and told them and that I wanted to do all the flight training and flight tests in Austria, and according to the law in the link, I was able to tranfer my license to the Austrian CAA.
And there was absolutely no hassle from either side...
Only I had was from the UK flight schools who said it wasn't possible...!