Converting non-JAA (Including FAA) license to JAA licence
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From: New Zealand
Licence Conversions
Hey,
I was just wondering if anyone out there has had there NZ CAA licence converted to a UK JAA licence. Was it difficult to do and did it cost very much? I'm just enquiring as my other half is English and we may have to go back there at some stage. Any help would be great, cheers.
I was just wondering if anyone out there has had there NZ CAA licence converted to a UK JAA licence. Was it difficult to do and did it cost very much? I'm just enquiring as my other half is English and we may have to go back there at some stage. Any help would be great, cheers.
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No it is not a difficult process , just time and money consuming . You have to do all the exams and the medical and check ride . You could do all the theory distance study , you cannot just turn up and take the exams you have to attend a recognised course . Bristol, Cabair etc
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From: Hungary
icao to jaa conversion
Hi there,
I currently live and work in Netherland and I have ICAO CPL/IR/A, frozen ATPL, MCC. I would like to convert them to JAA. Could you recommend a few good school in the area (Belgium, Netherland)? I wrote several letters but I didn't receive any response so far. I prefer distance learning.
Thx in advance.
z-e-d
I currently live and work in Netherland and I have ICAO CPL/IR/A, frozen ATPL, MCC. I would like to convert them to JAA. Could you recommend a few good school in the area (Belgium, Netherland)? I wrote several letters but I didn't receive any response so far. I prefer distance learning.
Thx in advance.
z-e-d
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From: canada
Canadian ATPL Conversion
Here is another way to beat a dead horse. I have heard that if you apply to an individual state for an ATPL it may be easier. Then once you have been issued a state ATPL (Greece for example) you can then get a JAA ATPL quite easily.
Is this true? Or am I missing a major point?
My goal, just like everyone elses, is to get a JAA but trying to avoid the fuss and $$$.
I have also heard that if you were to go over and get a type rating through a EASA approved course, you would then be given time to get your JAA (1 year waiver) possibly. Any truth to this?
Pretty much sums it up.
Is this true? Or am I missing a major point?
My goal, just like everyone elses, is to get a JAA but trying to avoid the fuss and $$$.
I have also heard that if you were to go over and get a type rating through a EASA approved course, you would then be given time to get your JAA (1 year waiver) possibly. Any truth to this?
Pretty much sums it up.
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From: UK
I had an FAA ATPL, and had my license converted to a UK JAA ATPL.
I still had to do all the written exams, and also had the CAA sit in on my type conversion in the simulator.
So it can be done, if you have the minimum hours required by the CAA
I still had to do all the written exams, and also had the CAA sit in on my type conversion in the simulator.
So it can be done, if you have the minimum hours required by the CAA
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From: Eire
FAA CPL(H) Add on Conversion to JAA CPL(H) Question
I hope someone can answer this question for me...
Holder of an FAA PPL(A) with over a 100 hours on aeroplanes who also has a FAA CPL(H) Add on to that FAA PPL(A) licence and has 55 hours on helicopters.
Now, Converting this to a JAA CPL(H) with the 9 JAA CPL exams done.
Looking through the LASORS there does not seem to be a direct answer to this.
It does however state that holders of a PPL(A) may have the minmum of 155 Hours Total Time needed to start a JAA CPL(H) 30 hour Modular course reduced to 135 Hours, and to 105 hours for CPL(A) Holders.
So, for a person holding a FAA CPL(H) with 55 hours on Helicopters and over 100 hours on Aeroplanes what is the Minimun time that, that person must have on Helicopters in order to commence the FAA CPL(H) to JAA CPL(H) Conversion.
If somebody has experience with this, please post your answer.
Thanks
Holder of an FAA PPL(A) with over a 100 hours on aeroplanes who also has a FAA CPL(H) Add on to that FAA PPL(A) licence and has 55 hours on helicopters.
Now, Converting this to a JAA CPL(H) with the 9 JAA CPL exams done.
Looking through the LASORS there does not seem to be a direct answer to this.
It does however state that holders of a PPL(A) may have the minmum of 155 Hours Total Time needed to start a JAA CPL(H) 30 hour Modular course reduced to 135 Hours, and to 105 hours for CPL(A) Holders.
So, for a person holding a FAA CPL(H) with 55 hours on Helicopters and over 100 hours on Aeroplanes what is the Minimun time that, that person must have on Helicopters in order to commence the FAA CPL(H) to JAA CPL(H) Conversion.
If somebody has experience with this, please post your answer.
Thanks
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From: UK
John,
It seems fairly straightforward to me.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_lt...ection%20D.pdf
Section D4.5 Conversion of a non JAA professional licence to a JAR-FCL CPL(H)
If you hold a current and valid CPL(H) non JAA, issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1, experience requirements pre course are as per JAR FCL 2.155 (b) and (c)
155 hours as a pilot in helicopters, comprising 50 hrs PIC and 10 hrs cross country.
The total hours can be reduced to 105 if you hold a CPL(A), and 135 if you hold a PPL(A).
You hold a non JAA CPL(H), if thats current and valid, as a PPL (A) holder it seems you can reduce the required heli hours to 135. Simples.
You also need a valid JAA Class 1 medical, and the theory passes.
CPL course is training as required/deemed necessary by an approved FTO. If you don't hold a night rating you'll need the 5hrs etc of night training as per JAR FCL 2.165 (b)
It seems fairly straightforward to me.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_lt...ection%20D.pdf
Section D4.5 Conversion of a non JAA professional licence to a JAR-FCL CPL(H)
If you hold a current and valid CPL(H) non JAA, issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1, experience requirements pre course are as per JAR FCL 2.155 (b) and (c)
155 hours as a pilot in helicopters, comprising 50 hrs PIC and 10 hrs cross country.
The total hours can be reduced to 105 if you hold a CPL(A), and 135 if you hold a PPL(A).
You hold a non JAA CPL(H), if thats current and valid, as a PPL (A) holder it seems you can reduce the required heli hours to 135. Simples.
You also need a valid JAA Class 1 medical, and the theory passes.
CPL course is training as required/deemed necessary by an approved FTO. If you don't hold a night rating you'll need the 5hrs etc of night training as per JAR FCL 2.165 (b)
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From: hovering
Icao Cpl (H) + IR renewal
Hello everybody,
I'm actually holding an italian ICAO CPL (H) + IR that has expired in 2007. Can anyone suggest me a FTO in UK where I can renew my licence + IR and transform it into JAR? I'm trying to avoid Italy because of the excessive cost of IR.
Thank you very much!!!
I'm actually holding an italian ICAO CPL (H) + IR that has expired in 2007. Can anyone suggest me a FTO in UK where I can renew my licence + IR and transform it into JAR? I'm trying to avoid Italy because of the excessive cost of IR.
Thank you very much!!!
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From: Europe & Africa
Hi there
I would advise you Helicopter Services, or Heliair at High Wycombe, and also in Denham (Heli Air). Both are very professional companies with very competent FIīs . Helicopter Services also provides the IR(H) and according to the the feedbackīs they are very good with it. Good luck with the conversion and wishes of safe flights.
I would advise you Helicopter Services, or Heliair at High Wycombe, and also in Denham (Heli Air). Both are very professional companies with very competent FIīs . Helicopter Services also provides the IR(H) and according to the the feedbackīs they are very good with it. Good luck with the conversion and wishes of safe flights.
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From: Land of damp and drizzle
You might find some of the UK FTOs are a bit poor on the customer service, especially when it comes to setting timetables to suit their students. If you don't mind going a little further afield, consider EHC in Norway - no VAT on training, and they will bend over backwards to find a solution that works for you.
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From: Land of the Krauts
Also, if you just want to go cheap, consider Spain and Portugal as well. Intercopters, FAASA, Algarve helicopters will be considerably cheaper than any of the UK flight schools, although I guess you get what you pay for...Avoid "Top Fly", they are broke and closing!
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From: ITALIA
in medium stat virtus
I do not really reply to such a complicated matter but I thought if someone has the need to convert this license it should be able to know what it entails in time and financial burden.
ICAO>>>JAA
depending on what country and level of license held and what country of the JAA member you choose there are various interpretations, mailnly because the JAR-FCL 2 have been adopted in several different stages and Amendments.
Basically if your ICAO was issued from a Country who became JAA Member state there were several discounts: for example for a CPLH holder they could grant up to a ATPLH ground credit (VFR) or if you held an IR then they could Grant you the all Knowledge for ATPLH IR. Nevertheless unless you had a certain kind of experience in Multiengine and Multicrew helicopters it will be good only to go to the checkride for a Frozen ATP.
If you were a old fox with more than 1000 hrs in multicrew IR etc then your license would automatically be converted into a JAA ATP. Mostly for Amendment 3 and 6 but all this will disappear with EASA in April next year anyhow.
ICAO>>>>JAA
from a non JAA member state to a JAA license, no credits ground school is not required as long as you can pass the written test and practical test.
Now in this category falls also the FAA but there are additional details we will see separately, lets say you have a canadian ATP or CPL, well you should get either a distant learning course or a crush course and be able to pass all the 14 exams or 9 exams required. Then according to the Head of Training of the FTO who will sponsor you for a practical examination you should train as needed depending on your capabilities.
Normally for an ATPLH IR you should receive a total minimum of 15 hours of Instrument training (of which 10 could be in a FNPTII) in european Airspaces. Youe should also undergo a MCC course unless you have already 500++ of multicrew helicopter time in that case it will be waived.
For a Commercial just demonstrated ability in the heli you will take the checkride and the instructor will sign you off.
Now again depending on the Member State fees and examiner availability may vary from few hundreds Euro and few weeks to months and up to 750 Pounds.
FAA>>>>CAA>>>>JAA
The only Member State who has a bilateral agreement with the US for the conversion of licenses is the UK.
Through the CAA / JAA it is possible to get a conversion which pretty much is like the above case but for the IR the minimum is all what you need 10 FNPT II and 5 in the aircraft if you hold already a Multiengine Type on your license. Still have to go through the 14 exams for the ATPLH knowledge, the online is the best option at this point for example the CATSGround is very well done, with exerts of instructor lessons on youtube and paperbooks also available, very good sample tests and progress tests. Included in the price there is also a crush week before sitting the exams, they can assist you to register and sit the exams in the UK of course but also in Florida or California, India and somewhere else in the world where they were able to get CAAInternational approve sites for examination with duly authorized proctors.
Anyhow unless you have 350 hours of Multiengine multipilot time of which at least 150 as PIC or PICUS no ATPLH IR but ATPLH IR Frozen.
You have time 7 years from the moment you pass the checkride to gain that aeronautical experience.
Hope did not scare helichick away, salaries in EU are more or less the same if you consider the current Euro-Dollar ratio but if you live in europe it buys less than you think.
It would be nice to work there paid in euro and live in the states but that could be a difficult commute.
C YA
Check you 6
keep the rotorhead lubricated
ICAO>>>JAA
depending on what country and level of license held and what country of the JAA member you choose there are various interpretations, mailnly because the JAR-FCL 2 have been adopted in several different stages and Amendments.
Basically if your ICAO was issued from a Country who became JAA Member state there were several discounts: for example for a CPLH holder they could grant up to a ATPLH ground credit (VFR) or if you held an IR then they could Grant you the all Knowledge for ATPLH IR. Nevertheless unless you had a certain kind of experience in Multiengine and Multicrew helicopters it will be good only to go to the checkride for a Frozen ATP.
If you were a old fox with more than 1000 hrs in multicrew IR etc then your license would automatically be converted into a JAA ATP. Mostly for Amendment 3 and 6 but all this will disappear with EASA in April next year anyhow.
ICAO>>>>JAA
from a non JAA member state to a JAA license, no credits ground school is not required as long as you can pass the written test and practical test.
Now in this category falls also the FAA but there are additional details we will see separately, lets say you have a canadian ATP or CPL, well you should get either a distant learning course or a crush course and be able to pass all the 14 exams or 9 exams required. Then according to the Head of Training of the FTO who will sponsor you for a practical examination you should train as needed depending on your capabilities.
Normally for an ATPLH IR you should receive a total minimum of 15 hours of Instrument training (of which 10 could be in a FNPTII) in european Airspaces. Youe should also undergo a MCC course unless you have already 500++ of multicrew helicopter time in that case it will be waived.
For a Commercial just demonstrated ability in the heli you will take the checkride and the instructor will sign you off.
Now again depending on the Member State fees and examiner availability may vary from few hundreds Euro and few weeks to months and up to 750 Pounds.
FAA>>>>CAA>>>>JAA
The only Member State who has a bilateral agreement with the US for the conversion of licenses is the UK.
Through the CAA / JAA it is possible to get a conversion which pretty much is like the above case but for the IR the minimum is all what you need 10 FNPT II and 5 in the aircraft if you hold already a Multiengine Type on your license. Still have to go through the 14 exams for the ATPLH knowledge, the online is the best option at this point for example the CATSGround is very well done, with exerts of instructor lessons on youtube and paperbooks also available, very good sample tests and progress tests. Included in the price there is also a crush week before sitting the exams, they can assist you to register and sit the exams in the UK of course but also in Florida or California, India and somewhere else in the world where they were able to get CAAInternational approve sites for examination with duly authorized proctors.
Anyhow unless you have 350 hours of Multiengine multipilot time of which at least 150 as PIC or PICUS no ATPLH IR but ATPLH IR Frozen.
You have time 7 years from the moment you pass the checkride to gain that aeronautical experience.
Hope did not scare helichick away, salaries in EU are more or less the same if you consider the current Euro-Dollar ratio but if you live in europe it buys less than you think.
It would be nice to work there paid in euro and live in the states but that could be a difficult commute.
C YA
Check you 6
keep the rotorhead lubricated
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From: Europe & Africa
About going cheaper, there is also another FTO in Portugal (Gestair Academy) wich still does SE IR(H), wich costs about half of the ME IR(H), although later you will need to convert it from SE to ME. In some cases if the future employer is a TRTO/FTO, thereīs a cance of doing the SE to ME IR conversion with favourable conditions...
send PM if any other info or contacts needed.
send PM if any other info or contacts needed.
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From: Europe & Africa
Goodgrief, if you click on the site named "gestair", that ends with ".pt", and after that click on "cursos", then on "cursos Integrados piloto e outros". After that click on the right, where it says: "helicopteros Cursos Integrados", where you might see the helicopter courses. If, after that you still donīt see it, then your question is plausible. If you need any other info you might send me a PM.
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From: USA
FAA to JAA CPL/ATP
fellow aviators,
I know this horse has been beaten to death many times, but I need your help concerning the latest and greatest about getting an FAA to JAA jockey convertion.
Have more than 1500 hours of multi copter and more than 500 hours in type (FAA)...so , what could you recommend for obtaining a jaa license (preferrably swiss OR whatever works cheap and/or quick) I do not have time to sit in class full time.
Any recommended online courses? Can you take one exam at the time (modular)?
Thanks for your help,
cheers
I know this horse has been beaten to death many times, but I need your help concerning the latest and greatest about getting an FAA to JAA jockey convertion.
Have more than 1500 hours of multi copter and more than 500 hours in type (FAA)...so , what could you recommend for obtaining a jaa license (preferrably swiss OR whatever works cheap and/or quick) I do not have time to sit in class full time.
Any recommended online courses? Can you take one exam at the time (modular)?
Thanks for your help,cheers
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From: UK
I suggest you contact these people, they can advise
Bristol.gs
Alex is the person you need to speak to
Bristol.gs
Alex is the person you need to speak to
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From: USA
There is no quick and cheap way for this. It will take time and money for whatever you do.
Most important, you should in ANY case contact the local authorities of the country you are intending to get the license form. Get your way of schooling approved by them, especially if you would like to get a Swiss
JAA/EASA certificate. They are an absolute pain in the butt! 
Most important, you should in ANY case contact the local authorities of the country you are intending to get the license form. Get your way of schooling approved by them, especially if you would like to get a Swiss
JAA/EASA certificate. They are an absolute pain in the butt!