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Helmets - Should you? and Which?

Old 21st Nov 2013, 20:11
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Good morning African Eagle

Thanks for your opinion......... I like it there is no doubt, that wearing a helmet may grant you a life extension given certain crash situations. I know of guys with double my experience/time with many emergency landings without so much as a scar one grand gentleman has had 12 engine failures, still healthy, still flying I guess your Karma has something to play here too

One question though just how far do we take this? Body armour? Fullface helmet would be far more safer than an open face (which you probably wear). Reinforced steel capped boots? Training schools don't use & that is seriously dangerous flying

I guess it's a question of degrees & just how far you wanna take it? Look at motorbike riders (I'm one) some opt to ride only with an open face helmet & running shoes - right through to heavily guarded knee high boots, full body armour, shoulder & elbow guard, full face mx helmet etc. etc. pick something that is legal & that YOU are comfortable with.....do your best, fly safe & leave the rest to.........

(sadly) I know of 4 great Pilot's that died in crashes all wearing a helmet, if they didn't wear one they'd still be dead, justify wearing one in these stats? & a Pilot that is in a wheel chair today wishing he hadn't worn one?

I for one simply never 'tossed a coin' to get into nor stay flying......flying like the drive to the Helipad has many risks, which we all need to calculate & manage. When your Son goes out to train he won't be issued a helmet by his FI then be climbing into a Robisnson

Thanks again for your thoughts

May the debate continue

Happy Landings

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Old 21st Nov 2013, 20:36
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This old lady never wears the bone dome or the flying suit and seems to have survived a lot of helicopter flying.

Just look at the captains outfit here for high value passengers non of whom are wearing the Top Gun kit
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 21:08
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Wasn't that the machine that had an emergency landing with HRH Prince Charles and Camilla on board?
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 21:26
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Not sure but it would be no great loss (apart from the pilot) if they were gone

The current Royals are a breath of fresh air with Harry now about to do 200 miles walking with some wonderful people in the Antarctic.
Why we should salute Prince Harry for his polar charity walk - CNN.com
Here is another one for the hard hat/hi viz safety brigade
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 21:41
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YOP;
The current Royals are a breath of fresh air...
The 'current Royals' of course being William & Harry, both of whom wear helmets when flying helicopters … as does their Dad

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Old 21st Nov 2013, 21:50
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Part of the uniform Silsoe. It's like the doorman at Claridge's or the chauffeur.


You'd look a prat flying your 206 or R22 to a hotel for the weekend with as VF describes it the Kaptan Klown kit.

OK for the ex service wallahs but not done in civvy street.

There is probably more need for ground ambulance crews or firemen to wear that rig. I even notice the leather flying gloves worn by the driver in a lot of police camera action movies.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 21:51
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I've got pics like that but I'd never wear that gear outside the forces.

A friend of mine walked away from this and no he was not wearing a flying suit and helmet

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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:11
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A particularly graphic reason in support of wearing a helmet in a helicopter.


WARNING … The content of the link is EXTREMELY graphic!
Not suitable for 'family viewing'.

To ensure that you really wish to see the article and so that you cannot 'accidentally' click on the active link, you will need to replace XXX in the link with f10

http://www.documentingreality.com/fo...-injury-43341/

On Saturday February 24, 2007 approximately at 10:38 HLV (14:38 UTC) a Venezuelan helicopter YV1521 enrollment, BRAND: Bell Ranger III B-206, SERIAL: 2696 YEAR: 1979 belonging to the company Aerotécnica SA, three (03) people on board crashed off the Control Tower Air Base Francisco de Miranda (SVFM), La Carlota, Caracas, Venezuela when he took off to cover the route La Carlota (SVFM) to Barcelona (SVBC) with an estimated 01 hour 15 minutes.

The accident killed the pilot JAZAN bazam Hatem and 2 passengers were wounded.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:25
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Sid we can all find stuff like that.
Here a daughter in law could have survived if she had been wearing a stab vest
BBC News - Tina Casey 'murdered over grandson access fear'
However this taxi driver survived without the full kit
BBC News - Norfolk taxi crashes through Flour and Bean café window

Nigel Farage escaped this
No bonedome

Have you seen how many cyclists have died in London in the last week?

My friend in the burnt out helicopter survived a student doing a dynamic rollover
a few months ago.(He still wears the VF uniform)
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:32
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YOP;

I've got pics like that but I'd never wear that gear outside the forces.

A friend of mine walked away from this and no he was not wearing a flying suit and helmethttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...crash3_203.jpg
Did you wear it in the forces then YOP?

The picture that you have linked to is of this incident;

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Southern Counties | Men survive burning 'copter crash
Air Accidents Investigation: Rotorway Executive, G-BRGX

"The aircraft bounced once gently and skidded forward before coming to rest with the right (passenger side) skid collapsed and the tailboom separated but the helicopter remained upright.
The passenger evacuated through a hole in the front canopy without injury, whilst the pilot exited through the left door with a slight burn to his left arm
."

Sooo, they exited the upright ac, which was left to burn!
Not as dramatic as you portray
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:41
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It caught fire in the air which is a point you missed.

Make sure you do a risk assessment when you watch tv Silsoe and take care
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:47
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YOP, you really do come out with some twaddle, I thought you were a good student but the years since GE have made you lazy.

Have you seen how many cyclists have died in London in the last week?
I that's the best you can up with, I'm off to watch 'I'm a celebrity, Dancing on Ice'.

but before I go;

Helmet saved my life, says cyclist trapped under car in Spitalfields

A cyclist who was trapped under a car has revealed that a helmet she bought on a whim saved her life.

Claire Pepper, 27, was cycling home to South London last night when she was involved in a collision with a car in Commercial Street at the junction with Hanbury Street in Spitalfields.

It left her trapped under the car which was lifted by a group of 10 bystanders who helped free Claire.

Claire, a fashion photographer, said she owes her life to the new helmet she bought recently on a whim. She said: “Its the first time I have worn it. I just bought it on a whim and I was thinking I should have asked for it for Christmas but I’m glad I did buy it.”

Claire said she was “super grateful” to the people who lifted the car off her.

Her boyfriend Jonathan Gales, 27, who was at her bedside, urged other cyclists to wear their helmets. He said: “It definitely saved her life. It was a brand new helmet and it was absolutely smashed, her head was stuck under the car.”
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Did you wear it in the forces then YOP?
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:57
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Did you wear it in the forces then YOP?
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 23:15
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Did you wear it in the forces then YOP?
Did you wear it flying over the rice fields in 'Nam YOP?


YOP
I doubt most of the big mouth's here have ever been to Vietnam
Post 870, this thread


YOP's rice field pic as seen posted here
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 05:51
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The helmets were worn in 'nam to deflect bullets
I think what you know YOP can be written on the point of a pin.
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I think what you know YOP can be written on the point of a pin.
With room to spare.....

I see his Photobucket account has had a spring clean after SS's links
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 18:03
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Helmets

Reading between the lines regarding my thread, I accept its personal preference but still surprised having had many charters have never had a pilot/pilots with a helmet? I can only assume that guys flying short chatters between half an hour upto an hour and a half are comfortable without?
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Old 24th Nov 2013, 03:50
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nomorehelosforme, for the most part, it is as you say, down to personal preference, though some enlightened companies, even offshore operators, are making them mandatory for crews.

I liken it to seat belts, life jackets, immersion suits, life rafts, fire extinguishers, crash worthy seats etc. Never had to put any of them to the test, but they are sure nice to have to hand should your number come up.

A Bell 412 crew in Alaska were making a ferry flight at 10,000 feet when they encountered a severe vibration. So bad was it that their heads were smashed through the overhead windows and pounded against the door pillar, the overhead electrical panel fell open, instruments were unreadable, and to top it off both engines failed during the descent because they had been shaken out of their mounts. Had they not been wearing helmets I imagine their skulls would look similar to the gruesome photos posted earlier, certainly they would not have survived. And the cause? A pitch change link on one blade had let go.

And one who didn't survive. S-76 impacted the ground on its left side, trapping the co-pilot in his seat. The captain extricated himself immediately, and spent the next 45 minutes helping the crash crews get the co-pilot out, whereupon the captain collapsed and died. He had suffered a head injury that was not obvious to medical personel due to coming into contact with the broom closet at the time of impact.
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Old 24th Nov 2013, 17:55
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I see in Shell Brunei's AW 139 delivery video that the pilots are wearing helmets....
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