Questions regarding pilot qualifications
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Questions regarding pilot qualifications
Good morning/afternoon everyone, I am kinda new to this forum and the aviation sector in general and I wish to be a pilot as well on day. I am about to finish my studies within a few years and then hopefully join a fight school. My father has been a pilot for more than 30 years. He wishes that I take on the family profession as well.
So the thing I want to ask is that; for some reasons, my father is really persistent in wanting me to get a EASA standard license and to specifically study in Europe. He told me that even with all his qualifications (10,000+ hours, no incidents, was a DFO, fleet chief, and other administrative positions in multiple different airlines throughout his career), he wasn’t able to join some “High-tier” airlines only because he did not have a EASA standard license or something. He also said some other aviation nerdy stuffs about “frozen-ATPL“ etc that I should acquire.
I am not saying I don’t believe my dad, I really do; however, I think he may have misunderstood some of the requirements. Could somebody please tell me what my father is worried about here?
My father got his PPL, CPL etc during the 80s, we live in a commonwealth 3rd world country (Bangladesh), I know things have changed a lot in aviation since his hay day. However, he seems really worried and extremely persistent in me getting a “Frozen ATPL and EASA license” or something. Could somebody please explain me that?
So the thing I want to ask is that; for some reasons, my father is really persistent in wanting me to get a EASA standard license and to specifically study in Europe. He told me that even with all his qualifications (10,000+ hours, no incidents, was a DFO, fleet chief, and other administrative positions in multiple different airlines throughout his career), he wasn’t able to join some “High-tier” airlines only because he did not have a EASA standard license or something. He also said some other aviation nerdy stuffs about “frozen-ATPL“ etc that I should acquire.
I am not saying I don’t believe my dad, I really do; however, I think he may have misunderstood some of the requirements. Could somebody please tell me what my father is worried about here?
My father got his PPL, CPL etc during the 80s, we live in a commonwealth 3rd world country (Bangladesh), I know things have changed a lot in aviation since his hay day. However, he seems really worried and extremely persistent in me getting a “Frozen ATPL and EASA license” or something. Could somebody please explain me that?
There are 2 parts to the bureaucracy that will control your flying career. One is the issuer of the licence that you hold; the other is your entitlement (or lack of it) to live and work in countries other than that of your residence.
Licence: an EASA (i.e. European) licence entitles you to fly aircraft registered in EASA countries, which (briefly) is nearly all European countries except the UK.
However, unless you have the right to live and work in Europe, that will not help you to get a job in any EASA country.
For the UK, to fly a G-registered aircraft (i.e. registered in the UK) you need a licence issued by the UK CAA, a different Authority which since Brexit has had no connection with EASA. And, to get a job here, you would need the right to live and work in the UK.
With a few exceptions (there are some states that recognise licences other than their own, for example in the Middle East) you need a licence issued by the state of registration of the aircraft you want to fly; and you need the right to live and work in the relevant place.
Mostly, the right to live and work is the problem that is the more difficult one to crack.
Licence: an EASA (i.e. European) licence entitles you to fly aircraft registered in EASA countries, which (briefly) is nearly all European countries except the UK.
However, unless you have the right to live and work in Europe, that will not help you to get a job in any EASA country.
For the UK, to fly a G-registered aircraft (i.e. registered in the UK) you need a licence issued by the UK CAA, a different Authority which since Brexit has had no connection with EASA. And, to get a job here, you would need the right to live and work in the UK.
With a few exceptions (there are some states that recognise licences other than their own, for example in the Middle East) you need a licence issued by the state of registration of the aircraft you want to fly; and you need the right to live and work in the relevant place.
Mostly, the right to live and work is the problem that is the more difficult one to crack.
Sounds like good advice. A frozen ATL is a bit of a myth there is no such licence. A commercial pilot passes either the CPL or ATPL technical exams and then acquires a CPL with a Instrument Rating. To get an ATPL you need 1500 hours and to pass a multi pilot type rating. You must also have passed the ATPL theory exams. A Frozen ATPL simply means that you have obtained the CPL and IR and have passed the ATPL theory exams and are qualified to hold an ATPL, but still have to have the required experience and pass a type rating skill test. The licence doesn't unfreeze, you have to apply for the ATPL once you meet all of the requirements.
Once upon a time a co-pilot could fly with a CPL-IR and just the CPL theory exams. In order to obtain an ATPL the higher level set of theory exams had to be passed as well as meeting all the other requirements. Since the late 80s it has been normal for all commercial pilots looking for airline jobs to sit just the ATPL exams and hence the term "frozen ATPL"
Once upon a time a co-pilot could fly with a CPL-IR and just the CPL theory exams. In order to obtain an ATPL the higher level set of theory exams had to be passed as well as meeting all the other requirements. Since the late 80s it has been normal for all commercial pilots looking for airline jobs to sit just the ATPL exams and hence the term "frozen ATPL"
A Frozen ATPL simply means that you have obtained the CPL and IR and have passed the ATPL theory exams and are qualified to hold an ATPL, but still have to have the required experience and pass a type rating skill test. The licence doesn't unfreeze, you have to apply for the ATPL once you meet all of the requirements.
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HI buddy please look at the fb group Prospective Bangladeshi Pilots, issue is without permit to go eu then you wont be able to get an easa license and if you do opt to go thailand like other BD students you will have to do atpls in BD again, send me a PM can explain more, ps google
