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Initial inbound check-in with London Ctrl

Old 9th Dec 2019, 18:39
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Initial inbound check-in with London Ctrl

Years ago, with my previous (UK registered) company, we were issued with a NATS pamflet regarding a trial for the initial check-in with London Control which should include the expected STAR for your destination. This was a trial to reduce excessive R/T, I believe. E.g: Big ship 123, FL360, inbound RAPIX, LAM3A LHR.
I still hear a lot of UK airlines make the same transmissions, but is there somewhere a (preferably official) document to show my new line pilots flying into the UK?

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Old 10th Dec 2019, 15:11
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Probably better asked in the ATC forum. I don't think it was formally adopted.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 17:42
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In the absence of specific information stated on the STAR plate:
callsigns / level information. If on an assigned heading, state it; if speed control applied, state it.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 21:00
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London will issue STAR or routeing instructions on first contact, and if you check in stating such, that negates need for London to restate it, unless wrong of course... canít find chapter and verse off hand but will have a look for you.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 04:56
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Mushton

FWIW the requirement you are asking about is still included in the enroute portion of our company briefing packages ...giving a reference of AIS/85/16...which I can’t track down ATM....




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Old 12th Dec 2019, 16:20
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Thank you all for your replies.
@wiggy: I’ll try and find the reference as well, thanks so much
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 16:28
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Try looking at the CAP 413 document. Its the document all UK licensed pilots and ATC comply to.

None of this Flight level Three Seven Ohhhhhh business
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 01:18
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Are you saying the requirement is definitely in there or are you saying you think it should be in there?

I have checked CAP 413 (and have just checked again) and couldn’t find any mention of the requirement - if you did find it can you provide the reference please?
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CAP 413 used to include the ICAO standard phraseology, expanded where ICAO was silent or a bit vague, together with national variations. Specific requirements for particular units, airspace or airports, where they existed, were published in NOTAMs or the AIP. I've not been involved in the book for a long time but if the same principles are being applied you won't find anything about it in CAP 413, especially if it was only a trial (despite the fact that some trials can go on almost indefinitely). FWIW, I recall that there was an entry in the book about initial calls to an ATC but it wasn't very detailed because of the multitude of variations that exist.
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