Converting US military hours to civilian hours
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Converting US military hours to civilian hours
Hi,
I'm a new aircraft commander on the B-52, USAF. As such, most of my time to date was logged from the right (copilot) seat. The military logs time a little differently than civilians do, and I'm not sure how best to convert that time to a format that will be the most appropriate when I get out and go to apply for the airlines.
So far, here is the type of time I've logged, according to the military:
1. "Primary"- which means I was physically manipulating the controls
2. "Secondary"- which means I was in the copilot seat, performing copilot duties (radios, fuel management, etc), but not actually flying the jet
3. "Other"- which means that I was flying as a primary crew member, but out of the seat while another copilot sat in the seat for training (ie "jump seat" time)
4. "Primary instrument"- which means I was physically flying the jet through IMC
5. "Total"- combination of 1,2, and 3 above
I've realized that civilians log hours differently- PIC, SIC, etc. Does anyone have any insight on how best to record the above types of flight time for a future career in the civilian market?
TIA,
I'm a new aircraft commander on the B-52, USAF. As such, most of my time to date was logged from the right (copilot) seat. The military logs time a little differently than civilians do, and I'm not sure how best to convert that time to a format that will be the most appropriate when I get out and go to apply for the airlines.
So far, here is the type of time I've logged, according to the military:
1. "Primary"- which means I was physically manipulating the controls
2. "Secondary"- which means I was in the copilot seat, performing copilot duties (radios, fuel management, etc), but not actually flying the jet
3. "Other"- which means that I was flying as a primary crew member, but out of the seat while another copilot sat in the seat for training (ie "jump seat" time)
4. "Primary instrument"- which means I was physically flying the jet through IMC
5. "Total"- combination of 1,2, and 3 above
I've realized that civilians log hours differently- PIC, SIC, etc. Does anyone have any insight on how best to record the above types of flight time for a future career in the civilian market?
TIA,
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Most guys in the civilian airline industry that I personally know would not give a hoot about your "military" flight time...
Come back again when you have "real" airline experience....then many will be ready to talk turkey.
Sorry...but thems are the facts. Except Delta and American of course...but they have strange ideas indeed. But..hey, give them a try...you might just get lucky. Big bucks there IF you get in.
Come back again when you have "real" airline experience....then many will be ready to talk turkey.
Sorry...but thems are the facts. Except Delta and American of course...but they have strange ideas indeed. But..hey, give them a try...you might just get lucky. Big bucks there IF you get in.
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Most guys in the civilian airline industry that I personally know would not give a hoot about your "military" flight time...
Come back again when you have "real" airline experience....then many will be ready to talk turkey.
Sorry...but thems are the facts. Except Delta and American of course...but they have strange ideas indeed. But..hey, give them a try...you might just get lucky. Big bucks there IF you get in.
Come back again when you have "real" airline experience....then many will be ready to talk turkey.
Sorry...but thems are the facts. Except Delta and American of course...but they have strange ideas indeed. But..hey, give them a try...you might just get lucky. Big bucks there IF you get in.
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Cameron, check pprune email
Cameron, check pprune email
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Who is this 411A guy? Where are the moderators when they are needed..........I see new "GUV" chapter starting.
Get this guy off the air. 411, don't forget, you will be sixty soon, or are you all ready and just bitter?
******~!!
Get this guy off the air. 411, don't forget, you will be sixty soon, or are you all ready and just bitter?
******~!!
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Hi alapt.
The moderators are watching.
None of the site rules have been broken, however much I might agree with the appalling lack of manners.
Perhaps we are fortunate in having contributors who have a universal insight into so many subjects and can afford us the time to share that wisdom !
The airlines are well represented with Pilots who share a Military background and I hope the question is better addressed by some of those Pilots.
JD
The moderators are watching.
None of the site rules have been broken, however much I might agree with the appalling lack of manners.
Perhaps we are fortunate in having contributors who have a universal insight into so many subjects and can afford us the time to share that wisdom !
The airlines are well represented with Pilots who share a Military background and I hope the question is better addressed by some of those Pilots.
JD
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Cameron,
You "log" your military hours as military hours.
The next issue is how you might report or "slice 'n' dice" those hours to various people like the FAA and potential employers.
For the FAA, you can use a combination of the "sole manipulator of the controls" definition in FAR 61.51.(e)(1)(i) the "pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required" definition of 61.51.(e)(1)(ii) to total your "PIC" hours. If you were not an Aircraft Commander, only your "Primary" time counts as PIC, but your "Secondary" time counts as SIC time.
For job application purposes, each airline has its own definition. Many count PIC time ONLY as that time during which you were the designated Aircraft Commander, regardless of "manipulation of controls." Others will allow any "Primary" time to be counted. You have to read each application carefully, and be prepared to justify your answers in the interview.
You "log" your military hours as military hours.
The next issue is how you might report or "slice 'n' dice" those hours to various people like the FAA and potential employers.
For the FAA, you can use a combination of the "sole manipulator of the controls" definition in FAR 61.51.(e)(1)(i) the "pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required" definition of 61.51.(e)(1)(ii) to total your "PIC" hours. If you were not an Aircraft Commander, only your "Primary" time counts as PIC, but your "Secondary" time counts as SIC time.
For job application purposes, each airline has its own definition. Many count PIC time ONLY as that time during which you were the designated Aircraft Commander, regardless of "manipulation of controls." Others will allow any "Primary" time to be counted. You have to read each application carefully, and be prepared to justify your answers in the interview.
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See my answer in the N. America Forum
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=56014
411A must be a pilot with AWA (aka America's Worst Airline).
See my answer in the N. America Forum
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=56014
411A must be a pilot with AWA (aka America's Worst Airline).
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TR4A, thanks! That article was excellent reading, and it answered all my questions.
"AWA" LOL. I didn't have the best luck flying with them myself in the past, until they were bought out by Continental.
Thanks again,
Cam
"AWA" LOL. I didn't have the best luck flying with them myself in the past, until they were bought out by Continental.
Thanks again,
Cam
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