Delayed check in
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Delayed check in
So, we happily reported for our duty.
Two minutes before we were due to check in, we received a phone call from our friends in operations to say our check-in was delayed by three hours meaning our legal FDP went from 14 hours to 17 hours. I would like to know if this is allowed/legal.
Two minutes before we were due to check in, we received a phone call from our friends in operations to say our check-in was delayed by three hours meaning our legal FDP went from 14 hours to 17 hours. I would like to know if this is allowed/legal.
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As mentioned above, you would need to refer to the FTL source document that you operate in accordance with (including any variations that may be specific to your operator.) In the UK, CAP371 states (under Section B 10.1):
On the very likely assumption that "with 2 minutes before we were due to check in" you had already left your place of rest, then under CAP371 the FDP would be limited to the original report time.
What does your own source document say regarding delayed reporting time in a single FDP?
10. Delayed Reporting Time in a Single FDP
10.1 When a crew member is informed of a delay to the reporting time due to a changed
schedule, before leaving the place of rest, the FDP shall be calculated as follows.
When the delay is less than 4 hours, the maximum FDP allowed shall be based on the
original report time and the FDP shall start at the actual report time. Where the delay
is 4 hours or more, the maximum FDP shall be based on the more limiting time band
of the planned and the actual report time and the FDP starts 4 hours after the original
report time.
10.2 When an operator informs a crew member before leaving the place of rest of a delay
in reporting time of 10 hours or more ahead, and that crew member is not further
disturbed by the operator until a mutually agreed hour, then that elapsed time is
classed as a rest period. If, upon the resumption of duty, further delays occur, then
the appropriate criteria in this paragraph and paragraph 10.1 above shall be applied to
the re-arranged reporting time.
10.1 When a crew member is informed of a delay to the reporting time due to a changed
schedule, before leaving the place of rest, the FDP shall be calculated as follows.
When the delay is less than 4 hours, the maximum FDP allowed shall be based on the
original report time and the FDP shall start at the actual report time. Where the delay
is 4 hours or more, the maximum FDP shall be based on the more limiting time band
of the planned and the actual report time and the FDP starts 4 hours after the original
report time.
10.2 When an operator informs a crew member before leaving the place of rest of a delay
in reporting time of 10 hours or more ahead, and that crew member is not further
disturbed by the operator until a mutually agreed hour, then that elapsed time is
classed as a rest period. If, upon the resumption of duty, further delays occur, then
the appropriate criteria in this paragraph and paragraph 10.1 above shall be applied to
the re-arranged reporting time.
What does your own source document say regarding delayed reporting time in a single FDP?
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I think you know that this is not legal.
What some companies do is say "could we say that your duty is delayed, it would like really help is out" when they know full well that you have reported, so the clock has started on your duty. I've certainly heard of people getting a call in their car asking them not to report for another couple of hours. Sometimes even in the airport car park.
It's up to you to either stand firm and say no, I've reported and I can't fudge it, or to accept it and do the delayed duty. If on the last flight of that duty something goes wrong, I wouldn't like to have to face up to any investigation, but we all do our own risk assessment I guess.
What some companies do is say "could we say that your duty is delayed, it would like really help is out" when they know full well that you have reported, so the clock has started on your duty. I've certainly heard of people getting a call in their car asking them not to report for another couple of hours. Sometimes even in the airport car park.
It's up to you to either stand firm and say no, I've reported and I can't fudge it, or to accept it and do the delayed duty. If on the last flight of that duty something goes wrong, I wouldn't like to have to face up to any investigation, but we all do our own risk assessment I guess.
