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Is this a stable approach?

Old 27th Sep 2012, 08:45
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Is this a stable approach?


Maybe they are in a war zone attempting to avoid flak, or test flying.

I don't think they are using the normally blocked out flaps 45 position of the ATR.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 08:52
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Yep all looked good till about 50 feet where he bottled it
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 08:58
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 09:02
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No - an utter shambles.

All that can be said is that they walked away from it. Cowboys (or frustrated fighter pilots sic the 'daga-daga-daga') - accidents waiting to happen.

Please let the world know who and where so the so-called airline can be avoided.

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Old 27th Sep 2012, 09:11
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You can fly a turboprop like that with little problem. The military fly like this to avoid small arms fire (tactical approach) Didn't look like a hard landing either, just the camera opo losing balance.
If you tried flying a jet like that you would be off the far end of the runway though, and if you fly for a company that has on board monitoring, you'd get fired.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 09:26
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Looks like a typical Management Pilot approach on his one trip a month line flight.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 09:41
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Nice video. Teaches us what not to do in an approach. Did they know the parameters for a stabilized approach ? And if things are not going as they should be, a go around is always there to execute. Poor flying skills and very poor decision making demonstrated.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 10:22
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And they are that retarded they let someone record the whole thing....Dumb and Dumber really at work in this video.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 10:31
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Hang on, everyone is being so self righteous but nobody actually knows the purpose of the flight.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 10:52
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"Is this a stable approach"?

Not even a decent Khe Sahn approach !
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 11:06
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Looked like some sort of test flight to me.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 11:21
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Originally Posted by BALLSOUT View Post
If you tried flying a jet like that you would be off the far end of the runway though, and if you fly for a company that has on board monitoring, you'd get fired.
Except a 146. 1100' at 1 mile onto a short runway was easy.

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Old 27th Sep 2012, 11:29
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I think, they tried to perform I would say a tactical approach, but you have to land at the threshold:

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I have flown and observed more critical approaches, but they were all in a war zone remaining clear of threatened or actual enemy fire. Since this seems a civil flight, there is no obvious reason for this type of approach. Without a valid reason, it becomes totally unacceptable.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 11:44
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Read up my little Micosoft pilots and Cildren of the Magenta Line, don't chastise the crew until you are aware of the facts. Could have been a training flight for close in war zone tactical airport operations.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 12:31
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I constantly despair at the lack of perception and judgement shown by so many of the posters here at PPRuNe... will someone please please tell me that the piloting population in general has a far greater grasp of space and time than the average commentator we find here? please, or I will start to really get worried about the abilities of those up the sharp end when faced with any situation outside their narrow comprehension.

This video, for all its faults, demonstrates an unorthodox but completely controlled descent and tolerable landing. The 'hard' landing looks like a put up job by the camera person, the aircraft had flared and was stable at around about the height you'd expect it to be bleeding off speed, and if the actual touchdown was a bit harder than a greaser there's no way from the attitude and height of the aircraft that it could have been damaging.

Have another look doubters, concentrate not on the steep and 'scary' descent, just the 1-2 seconds before the wheels contacted the runway, where the view is exactly as you'd expect in any normal landing.
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 12:36
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where the view is exactly as you'd expect in any normal landing.
Well, except for the 50% of the runway now BEHIND them.....
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Old 27th Sep 2012, 12:44
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Could have been but they also seemed to be wearing bog standard airline uniforms. Given there is a bloke standing behind the jumpseat with the cockpit door open I would guess it is a ferry flight without pax and the pilots are "having a bit of fun". Still not very bright to have "Pull Up" and "sink Rate" warnings blaring because if it had gone wrong the CVR would not have told a pretty story.
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Have to agree with you.....it did not seem to be a hard landing, just a cameraman's balance.

Not knowing the purpose of the flight, the greater than normal 3 degree approach path may have been training for the copilot, who was PF, it seems, so.....

....back off folks. As far as continuing on when the EGPWS is talking to you, yes, they should have silenced it in advance(!)

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