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eyeinthesky,. .. .I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding understanding versus information regurgitation. There are those who would simply reduce the ATPL syllabus by 30%, removing such topics as INS/IRS. I believe that this would be wrong - we should keep the syllabus at least as challenging as it is now - if not make it more so.. .. .Good to know you can spell too!
Nunos, apologies once again for the thread drift .... .. .[Tongue-in-cheek rant mode]. .. .Northern Sky -- When someone disagrees with you, do you always assume that </font><ul type="square">[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">(a)they have incorrectly read what you've written, or </font></li>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">(b)they are on the defensive? </font></li>[/list]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Or does it not occur to you that a statement you've made might not be fully correct? . . . . [/Tongue-in-cheek rant mode] . . . .Now, before we continue down an unintended path, I want you to know that I do agree with many of your statements. You bring up some very good points regarding "de-skilling" and the decline of standards.. . . . However, my original statement to you was correct. To clarify: Recurrent training at my airline lasts either 4 or 5 days, depending on phase and/or division. During that time, we review and are tested on (via oral quiz, computer test, written work, and/or demonstrated ability) subjects such as the following (not an all-inclusive list, but it will give you a good idea):. . </font><ul type="square">[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Aircraft Systems (ALL) </font></li>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Emergency Procedures and Aircraft Limitations </font></li>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Navigation (to include FMC) </font></li>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Performance </font></li>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">FARs/SOPs/etc </font></li>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">International Procedures (for those of us in the Int'l Division) including ICAO R/T </font></li>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Area-specific Int'l procedures (S. America, N. Atlantic, Pacific, etc.) </font></li>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Weather and weather-related subjects </font></li>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> HAZMAT, Security, and other related procedures </font></li>[/list]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">The above are accomplished prior to our three simulator sessions (one 4-hour sim, and two 2-hour sims). Each sim session is designated either as a "training" sim or as an "evaluation" sim. The LOFT (LOE), while very important, is only a part of the overall recurrent syllabus. Much of the real training and assessment occurs in the other sims. Not only do those sims cover the standard Emergency procedures, they also cover a number of other areas which require some good old-fashioned "thought" (as well as demonstration of in-depth systems knowledge).. . . . I must say that, for those reasons, I truly enjoy my recurrent training experience. Nothing like a good "re-sharpening" of the old brain!. . . .[return of Tongue-in-cheek mode, minus the rant <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ]. . . .Did I "explain" it well enough ?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 10 March 2002, 17:19: Message edited by: McD ]</small>
Aztruck -- . .. .Too funny !!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .Nunos --. .. .Have you had any better understanding of INS since you first posted? You've gotten some good advice from others here. To echo what some have said: . .. .First, try to understand the (simple) basic concepts, then deepen your knowledge over time.. .. ."ft" asked a good question: What concepts (more specifically) are you having trouble understanding? It's helpful to know where to start giving advice.
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McD,. .. .No, I don't, but some people here tend to skim through a post and then launch in with all guns firing without understanding what is being said (as has been pointed out before).. .. .If your airline really does cover all of this, then well done!! However, I've never seen one which does, and believe it would be extremely difficult to write a syllabus which covered all the appropriate bits and pieces.. .. .I'm very glad you enjoy your airline's training.. .. .The danger in these difficult times is that some of that training might be cut when the accountants look at the balance sheet and compare it to your competitors. I hope this doesn't transpire.. .. .For my part, all simulator work should be 'training'. The test items will be covered in the natural course of things, provided they are done acceptably. I don't believe the simulator is an effective 'testing' tool, when used as such. This is why so many good pilots fail simulator 'assessments' when seeking employment, and so many poor ones get through.
