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Busted Level
Flying out of Manchester last night, heard a controller say to whar I believe was a Portuguese a/c that he had gone through his level. When and if are these filled or are they at the controllers discretion 
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As far as I know a level bust is if you deviate 200 foot from your cleared level. My source on this one is my instructor shouting this reason at me in the aircraft when I started to wander towards these limits during training for my IR.
As for when they are actually filed, it must be a lot of paper work for the controller I beleive.
Best to just stick on the safe side and fly your level to perfection eh!!
As for when they are actually filed, it must be a lot of paper work for the controller I beleive.
Best to just stick on the safe side and fly your level to perfection eh!!
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Level busts are generally defined as three hundred feet deviations (though there is no definitive ICAO/JAR source for this - it's just what we all work to).
The controller fills in a CA1261 (incident report) and this will be forwarded (in most cases) to the airline for investigation. What they do is up to them.
Read CAP710 for some good gen on level busts.
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The controller fills in a CA1261 (incident report) and this will be forwarded (in most cases) to the airline for investigation. What they do is up to them.
Read CAP710 for some good gen on level busts.
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Hi Chirpy Pilot!
As you probably know all the airspace is regulamented (is that the word?) and the use of airspace obeys to certain rules, like odds or evens levels according to your heading, and there are some portions of airspace are for military only, others for oceanic entry, etc., so there are enumerous reasons for a flight level not being available.
Monty Nivo is right, but you can find that 300 foot (it`s 300, not 200) rule in the ICAO/JAR documents about RVSM. It is documented, and an undershoot or overshoot of your flight level by more than 300 feet it is mandatory to fill a report and send it to the appropriate authoritys, in this case, NATS, and the CAA
Cheers!!!!!!
As you probably know all the airspace is regulamented (is that the word?) and the use of airspace obeys to certain rules, like odds or evens levels according to your heading, and there are some portions of airspace are for military only, others for oceanic entry, etc., so there are enumerous reasons for a flight level not being available.
Monty Nivo is right, but you can find that 300 foot (it`s 300, not 200) rule in the ICAO/JAR documents about RVSM. It is documented, and an undershoot or overshoot of your flight level by more than 300 feet it is mandatory to fill a report and send it to the appropriate authoritys, in this case, NATS, and the CAA
Cheers!!!!!!
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In the event of a serious level bust, eg loss of separation, the controller would be suspended immediately. Following an initial investigation to determine the cause he may be returned to work. If a loss of separation is determined to be "ATC error" further investigation may be required and his return to work may be delayed.
We are encouraged to file reports on all level busts.
We are encouraged to file reports on all level busts.
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Yep, there's an RVSM definition, but not one for non-RVSM operations (unless you count the HEIDI definition or those of other working groups).
The DIRECTOR is right, but I thought we were just talking level busts here.....
The controller will take several things into account befre deciding whether to file, including
Can I get away with not filing?
How long a break have I got?
Will my filing drop the pilots in deep doo-doo with their employer?
Did the pilots apologise and accept their error when questioned over RTF?
etc
The DIRECTOR is right, but I thought we were just talking level busts here.....
The controller will take several things into account befre deciding whether to file, including
Can I get away with not filing?
How long a break have I got?
Will my filing drop the pilots in deep doo-doo with their employer?
Did the pilots apologise and accept their error when questioned over RTF?
etc
