RAFVR Instructor Positions
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RAFVR Instructor Positions
Hello all,
Could anyone shed any light on whether or not the RAFVR still takes civilian trained pilots to become AEF instructors, I'm interested in instructing but obviously not at UAS level.
Many thanks,
FD
Could anyone shed any light on whether or not the RAFVR still takes civilian trained pilots to become AEF instructors, I'm interested in instructing but obviously not at UAS level.
Many thanks,
FD
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doc,
The AEF's don't necessarily employ instructors...but I believe you now have to have or have held a full service flying badge (Pilot)with a certain amount of hours before you can apply. However, most retired service pilots on AEF's tend to have undertaken a QFI tour during their career.
AEF's consist of an OC who is normally a Sqn Ldr in the RAFR (J class?), those who have left the serice and are recommisioned into the RAFVR(T), and a few current serving pilots.
There is only one officer in the RAFR (as it is now) that was civilian trained, OC 12 AEF at Leuchars but I understand he had to undergo a period of training at CFS to gain his blue <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> VR Brevet. I believe he is the only person entitled to wear one of these brevets as the scheme was not carried on. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
As far as instructing goes, I think your best chance is to keep an eye on Flight International, and watch out for when JEFTS are looking for instructors. JEFTS is run by civilian contactors (Is it still Hunting?) and employs mostly civilian instructors. If you are successful at selection, you are sent on an RAF CFS Instructors course to learn how to teach "the military way".
That is the system as I understood it when I left the service a couple of years ago...any AEF or UAS guys help out further???
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If you read this, maybe you could pass on your tuppenceworth about JEFTS???
Happy New Year
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The AEF's don't necessarily employ instructors...but I believe you now have to have or have held a full service flying badge (Pilot)with a certain amount of hours before you can apply. However, most retired service pilots on AEF's tend to have undertaken a QFI tour during their career.
AEF's consist of an OC who is normally a Sqn Ldr in the RAFR (J class?), those who have left the serice and are recommisioned into the RAFVR(T), and a few current serving pilots.
There is only one officer in the RAFR (as it is now) that was civilian trained, OC 12 AEF at Leuchars but I understand he had to undergo a period of training at CFS to gain his blue <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> VR Brevet. I believe he is the only person entitled to wear one of these brevets as the scheme was not carried on. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
As far as instructing goes, I think your best chance is to keep an eye on Flight International, and watch out for when JEFTS are looking for instructors. JEFTS is run by civilian contactors (Is it still Hunting?) and employs mostly civilian instructors. If you are successful at selection, you are sent on an RAF CFS Instructors course to learn how to teach "the military way".
That is the system as I understood it when I left the service a couple of years ago...any AEF or UAS guys help out further???
DB6
If you read this, maybe you could pass on your tuppenceworth about JEFTS???
Happy New Year
TJFC
(Edited for spelling...just for a change <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> )
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Yep, JEFTS employs civilian instructors and what you say, Jag FC, about selection and training is spot-on (actually the company does the training but then we are examined by CFS instructors and issued RAF standard equivalent ratings e.g. B2 equiv., A2 equiv.). The company is now owned by Babcock International and has three bases; Church Fenton, Barkston Heath/Cranwell, and Middle Wallop. Unfortunately no bases in Scotland, Flying Doc (or I would be there) so it would be a bit of a move for you, as it was for me from Dundee. I keep telling them to open a base at Leuchars but they won't listen. From what you say, though, JEFTS may not be your cup of tea as we have the same standards as UAS i.e. CFS standards, so it is quite an undertaking to get to that level and then maintain or improve on it. I don't know that much about the UAS/AEF setup although as Jaguar says I understood them all to be military men. I will say however that, UAS or JEFTS, it's a great job and I recommend it wholeheartedly to anyone interested in instructing.
Tonkenna is probably your man for AEF info, I think he's at Leuchars. Tonkenna? You there?
Happy New Year to all and with that I'm off to start supping.
Tonkenna is probably your man for AEF info, I think he's at Leuchars. Tonkenna? You there?
Happy New Year to all and with that I'm off to start supping.
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Just continuing with some additional information to Jag's.
The UAS and AEF are basically run seperately, but just share the Tutors. The UAS instructors are all current military QFIs. Some are spec aircrew but the main point is they are not civilian trained (and I certainly cannot remember them ever being in my lifetime).
The AEF doesn't instruct per se. It is there to give air experience flights to the cadet organisations. Although many of the pilots are QFIs, they do not have to be qualified as such. However, the bummer for Flying Doc, is that in order to join the AEF as a pilot you must have been awarded your military flying wings, so it does rule out civilian trained pilots, whether they are QFIs or not. Sorry.
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The UAS and AEF are basically run seperately, but just share the Tutors. The UAS instructors are all current military QFIs. Some are spec aircrew but the main point is they are not civilian trained (and I certainly cannot remember them ever being in my lifetime).
The AEF doesn't instruct per se. It is there to give air experience flights to the cadet organisations. Although many of the pilots are QFIs, they do not have to be qualified as such. However, the bummer for Flying Doc, is that in order to join the AEF as a pilot you must have been awarded your military flying wings, so it does rule out civilian trained pilots, whether they are QFIs or not. Sorry.
And......
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PS: It's good fun though <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Hi there, with regards to instructing with say JEFTS for example, would you already have to be qualified as an instructor (civilian - presuming they did take a civilian), in order to get in if it was possible, or would they take a "suitable" person on board to train the "military way" in order to instruct the "military way"?
Thanks, and Happy New Year to you all (I'm a bit late, sorry..)
Thanks, and Happy New Year to you all (I'm a bit late, sorry..)
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RAF Topgun, I can only comment on JEFTS, but in their case yes you need to be qualified as a civvy instructor, with a fair amount of experience and be able to instruct to a reasonable standard already. However there is a possibility that if you did your FI course at JEFTS (you would have to pay of course) and were very good they would offer to take you on. I personally would not do that as the possibility is slim and probably dictated more by external factors than by your own performance.
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Hi all and thanks for the replies,
My initial question was perhaps unclear.. I was looking to see whether or not an Air Experience Flight pilot (who flies solely Air Cadets) needed a military brevet. I don't yet have an instructor rating but am very interested in training at JEFTS, as advertised on their webpage.
If anybody has any experience of the course offered by JEFTS then please do get in touch.
Many thanks for your time,
FD
My initial question was perhaps unclear.. I was looking to see whether or not an Air Experience Flight pilot (who flies solely Air Cadets) needed a military brevet. I don't yet have an instructor rating but am very interested in training at JEFTS, as advertised on their webpage.
If anybody has any experience of the course offered by JEFTS then please do get in touch.
Many thanks for your time,
FD
