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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 08:23
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For Windows folk I have used SkyLog Pro for years (Skylog - More Information).
There is an app for your IPhone/Pad which allows you to record your flights on the go with a very straightforward sync process to a windows computer once home.
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 09:39
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I'm thinking about getting an app for my logbook. However I do multiple sectors per day (sometimes 8!) and I'm just wondering how easy it is to fill in a multiple sector day with the total day's flying at the end, without the need to put in how many hours each sector was.
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 09:57
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However I do multiple sectors per day (sometimes 8!) and I'm just wondering how easy it is to fill in a multiple sector day with the total day's flying at the end, without the need to put in how many hours each sector was.
With LogTen Pro, it's a piece of p!ss.

I log, start time local, finish time local, route (eg CNS AYQ ASP DRW ASP ADL MEL) and program calculates distance, total flight time, night flight, IF flight.
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 12:41
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an easy quest,
the e-logbook is it legal (JAR)? or i need to keep and bring with me a paper one anyway?

i'd like to go on e-logbook only, is it possible?
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 13:18
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When are you going to start working for a living, Claret?!
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 14:38
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e-logbook for "other" crew?

Following on from the discussion, does anyone know of an e-logbook suitable for "other" (non-pilot) crew?

I logged all my time flying as a Loadmaster, although it was never required, and would like to transpose from my paper logbooks to a simple e-logbook.
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Old 13th May 2013, 14:39
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Go for log ten Pro
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Old 13th May 2013, 22:33
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X2 for LogTen Pro. You'll need a Mac and/or iDevice though as it won't run on windoze or android. Apple only.
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Old 13th May 2013, 22:42
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I was in to Logbook Pro about 10 years ago. Works for me, but that said, after hearing people talk about E-logbooks for years it seems there are only two factors that seem relevent.

1- What you need. I wanted accuracy, portability, regurgitation of relevent experience with ease.

2- What the other guy needs from you. The best E-logbook in the world does you no good if the chief pilot at some airline want's old school paper and leather and hand scribbled entries.

All that said, if you have the job, and are done having to present your log book to the other guy for his personal stamp of approval, E-logs are the way to go IMHO. Just thinking about this it kind of pisses me off that anyone would actually question my experience and dig through my logs. Just an observation. I mean how many people these day are really, really, hiring experience? Seems more a perfunctory perusal then anything these days.
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Old 14th May 2013, 00:16
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I also wrote my own logging program nearly 20 years ago, with alerts when approaching FTLs. Moving around on contract work meant that yearly, and other limitations always varied in the new country. Since it was my own work, it was easy to adjust the alerts.

Having every minute of availability accessible meant that sometimes it was possible to offer a rostering solution that enabled a flight to operate. The immediate downside for my company was knowing when I could not operate. As soon as the flight roster was issued, my scheduled flight times were entered. Following each flying day, the times were adjusted to actual, giving adjusted forecast FTL margins. I just could not imagine doing all that manually!

Normally admin and joining procedures on a new contract mean there is a delay before flying commences and FTLs calculations effectively can also start fresh, but not in every case. Never had a company ask for last 365 days of flight times to track FTL compliance. Finally it is up to each pilot.

I expect the best of the e logbooks would now track FTLs and that rostering would also treat such matters much more seriously.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:47
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This might seem like a silly question but do you have to pay for every separate App? If I want LogTen Pro for my Macbook, Ipad, and Iphone do I have to buy each version?
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Old 14th Dec 2013, 11:52
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In a way, yes. The universal iOS app covers both the iPad and iPhone, but you need to pay for the mac application as well.
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Old 9th May 2019, 21:32
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Crewlounge Pilotlog/MCC Pilotlog Scam

If you are considering MCC Pilot Log, here’s my experience:

I purchased MCC Pilot Log Enterprise Edition (Lifetime) 5 months ago because I had heard good reviews and the company’s web site pitched how there were no subscription fees. It cost me about $81.09 after the EUR conversion. The MCC Pilot Log web site states “We do not run a subscription plan. We have 3 editions with one-time fee for life-time use. The basic STD Edition is even FREE.”

During these 5 months I used the software, but suddenly the airline interface stopped working. I went to the support page to log a support ticket and was greeted with the following message:

“IMPORTANT NOTE : 10 years after the first release, and 2600 changes and fixes later, it was time to rebuild mccPILOTLOG on new fundaments.

mccPILOTLOG is still available to existing customers. New customers can still purchase mccPILOTLOG, if they want. However, we are no longer updating mccPILOTLOG. Instead, the team is focusing on the new logbook. We recommend all pilots to migrate to our new app CrewLounge PILOTLOG !”

After my initial disbelief and further investigation I found the FAQ page for people like me who had just purchased what was sold as a lifetime license. Below is an excerpt from the company’s FAQ page:

I paid for mccPILOTLOG, do I have to pay again ?

We keep our word : your license for mccPILOTLOG remains valid ! You have paid for a lifetime use of mccPILOTLOG, so you can continue to using mccPILOTLOG as long as you want. We do not terminate mccPILOTLOG, your logbook continues to run. We do not terminate support, you continue to receiving the same support as before.

We only terminate further updating and bug fixing. Our team is now focusing on the CrewLounge AERO Suite, a completely new platform created with the latest coding technologies and security protocols. CrewLounge PILOTLOG, as part of the CrewLounge AERO Suite, is the new pilot logbook to replace mccPILOTLOG. CrewLounge PILOTLOG is subscription based, we do no longer offer one-time payments.

We invite all pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG to migrate and enjoy the new CrewLounge AERO Suite ! We certainly understand that you are reluctant to switching to a subscription plan. We have GOOD news for you : You don’t !

Contrary to our competitors, that either ceased to exist, or that canceled all license keys and forced users into a subscription plan, we offer grandfathering rights to all users of mccPILOTLOG ! You can now migrate your lifetime license from mccPILOTLOG to CrewLounge PILOTLOG with a one-time contribution ! Buy 3 years and get Lifetime ! No subscription, no extra charges ! We will also pay the VAT for you !

That’s true ! All pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG can now transfer their license to the new CrewLounge PILOTLOG application and be excluded from subscriptions, for lifetime! This offer is limited in time !

As a bonus, you receive a free 1-year license for the popular calendar app CrewLounge CONNECT (value 12.00 EUR) ! And, as an extra bonus, all PRO users (mccPILOTLOG) can now free upgrade to ENT (CrewLounge PILOTLOG) without being charged extra !

So, here is our offer :
  • purchase 3 years of the new CrewLounge PILOTLOG software (*)
  • get 10% immediate discount (for 3-year orders)
  • get another 20% discount (that is, we will pay the VAT applicable to your country)
  • transfer your Lifetime license to CrewLounge PILOTLOG (be excluded from subscriptions)
  • upgrade to a higher Edition ENT or the new ENT+ (even if you are on PRO today)
  • get 1 year free use of our popular roster app CrewLounge CONNECT
This is a temporary offer, we hold the right to terminate this offer at any time !

(*) Pilots that purchased mccPILOTLOG in 2019, can upgrade with paying only 1-year subscription to CrewLounge AERO.”

Essentially, the lifetime software I just purchased will not be updated any more. Therefore, the airline interface will not be fixed. In other words, my software is now useless to me.

But wait, I checked out their upgrade offer and found that I will need to pay for 3 years up front to get the lifetime subscription that I already paid for 5 months ago. The price is 2.99 EUR/month or about $3.35/month as of today. A total of about $120.00. Believe it or not, I actually considered just paying the money and moving on with my life. So I downloaded the trial version of the new CrewLounge Pilot Log, imported my data and tried to download my schedule with the airline interface. Of course – it doesn’t work.

Overall, my experience with this company is extremely negative. I would not recommend MCC Pilot Log or CrewLounge Pilot Log. You will be disappointed and will end up having to pay for a real logbook program from a reputable company. Good luck folks. Learning is a change in behavior as a result of experience.

Also, attached is a copy of the ridiculous .pdf they sent me asking to take a "journey" with them. essentially they want me to "take one for their team"
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Old 10th May 2019, 07:07
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Highly disgusted!
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