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Old 26th Jul 2010, 13:45
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EasyJet cuts

Hi -
I'm a reporter with the Liverpool Daily Post and am looking into a story about EasyJet. We recently ran a story about the airline cancelling flights at Liverpool John Lennon airport. Shortly after it went online, a reader posted a message on the story saying the airline could not get the ATC slots for the flights because it does not have enough staff available to man the planes having made lots of cuts over the winter.
I was wondering if any PPRuNe users could shed any more light on this?
If you can, you can get in touch with me on [email protected].

All the best
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 14:32
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Why don't you call Easyjet and get the facts from the 'horses mouth' instead of relying on rumours on here
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 14:34
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I would look closely into Stavros Flatley. There, you will find the answer.

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Old 26th Jul 2010, 14:57
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What a lazy reporter. No wonder you work for the LDP!
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 14:59
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a reader posted a message on the story saying the airline could not get the ATC slots for the flights because it does not have enough staff available to man the planes having made lots of cuts over the winter.

Your reader, (pictured), clearly doesn't know what an ATC slot is or how it occurs.

An ATC slot is produced via the CFMU, (thats a big computer in Belgium, but thats not important at the moment,) as a function of airspace capacity. Naff all to do with airline staffing. However, if easyJet are understaffed, they will in fact get less ATC slots. Somewhat surprised your reader couldn't work that one out ...
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 15:39
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Why don't you call Easyjet and get the facts from the 'horses mouth' instead of relying on rumours on here
As much as I usually berate journos on here, I'm afraid expecting Easy to give 'the facts' is stretching even my sense of humour.

In fact, in my opinion, it would be best if indeed journos did get a hold of this story and generate some publicity. Everyone knows that Easy can't crew their programme as they simply do not have enough crew, and that the lies they spin out to disguise this are just that.

Whilst you're at it Mr Journo, how about adding a bit in about the Pay to Fly scandal at Easy???
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 16:07
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Ben Schofield shouldn't be berated, he has come onto the site, been open in who he is and the story he is after.
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 16:11
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Where are you NSF? Your country needs you badly.
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 21:38
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Go look at other threads

Given that the other threads contain compelling arguments that ezy can't run its flights from lgw, it is not suprising at all that they can't be bothered to run them fro Liverpool.
Go look at the existing threads - there are 2 recent ones. Cancellations and very late departures are the ezy mode of operation this summer
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 22:14
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And here is the story from the LDP website - the byline is Ben Turner of the Echo not Ben Schofield .......

PASSENGERS flying from Liverpool John Lennon Airport on Sunday face having to find alternative flights after easyJet cancelled several planned departures.
The airline scrapped a 12.45pm flight to Malaga today.
And five scheduled Sunday flights: the 7.15am to Barcelona; 1.35pm to Malaga, 2.50pm to Nice; 6.20pm to Belfast and 7.40pm to Alicante have all been cancelled.
Easyjet said it had been unable to secure slot times from air traffic control and customers affected will be offered transfers or a refund.

See the whole thing
Liverpool Daily Post - News - Liverpool News - EasyJet flights from Liverpool John Lennon Airport cancelled

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Old 27th Jul 2010, 07:35
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In fact, in my opinion,
interesting phrase.

Surely any airline wouldn't adverties a schedule if they hadn't already secured the ATC slots for the flights.
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Old 27th Jul 2010, 10:22
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Surely any airline wouldn't adverties a schedule if they hadn't already secured the ATC slots for the flights.

Ho hum...

ATC slots are issued as a function of airspace capacity.

Idiots guide to ATC slots.
Its very simple, if you have a room that holds ten idiots, you can't put eleven idiots in the room. (much as you might like to)
Idiot number eleven has to wait until one or more idiots come out, or the room is made bigger, so the idiot (No11), gets a slot time. This is the time the idiot has to present itself to commence their journey to the room. If there's only seven idiots in the room, then you can get three further idiots in there without restricting their progress at all, but the fourth idiot and any subsequent idiots will have to wait their turn. If that room is in fact a corridor joining two rooms, then you can only get so many idiots down that corridor at any one time, even if the room at either end has a limitless supply of idiot capacity. Therefore any idiot wishing to pass through the corridor may get a slot time for the corridor, depending on how many idiots wish to use the corridor at any given time. If there is another different corridor, joining the rooms you can send the idiots down those corridors, which may mean that the idiots will not be restricted at all.

So you can see using the above idiots guide, you should be able to see that ATC SLOTS, do not get secured by an airlines schedule, or their staffing levels, they are a tactical daily/hourly response to airspace capacity. But please don't let inconvenient substance like facts get in the way
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Old 27th Jul 2010, 12:29
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Excellent explanation Jumpseater

Perhaps you could get CFMU to put it on the public part of their website as part of an "idiots guide" (sorry) to flow management!

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Old 27th Jul 2010, 12:39
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Things may have got lost in the translation here I think. Whilst this may not be the reason there have been several French ATC strike/work to rule events recently. ALL operators were told that they had to reduce their planned traffic movements by 20% in various sectors of French Airspace ~(I'm sure someone can dig up the NOTAM). So if EZY PR say "unable to secure ATC slots" this may well be the reason but is a poor explanation. It does affect ALL but obviously an operation the size of EZY (1100 flights per day) which has a high percentage routing through French Airspace (ALC,BCN,AGP,NCE etc) will be disproportionately hit.

However, EZY's ability to deal with the subsequent disruption is a different discussion.

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PS - Very good Jumpseater
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Old 27th Jul 2010, 12:57
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Stupid Response to a Perfectly Good Question

It is really no wonder that airlines and aviation in general get such a bad press when a perfectly good question from a reporter, who has shown an interest in aviation, gets treated this way.

This guy has shown a genuine interest in easyjet and in Liverpool Airport. I would be amazed if he was bothered to do so again after the response he has got.

I wish people in the aviation industry – which is one of the most sustainable forms of transport today – would wake up, stop being so autistic, and realise that not every tax payer flies aircraft for a living or thinks aeroplanes 24/7.

It is no wonder the government taxes the industry so much.
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Old 27th Jul 2010, 14:05
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It is really no wonder that airlines and aviation in general get such a bad press when a perfectly good question from a reporter,

Well it wasn't really was it? His paper has already run a story, they are subsequently looking to see if they got their story right. A second or two on google would find

Air traffic flow management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which would show that their reader was talking out of his re ATC slots. Ok wiki's not perfect but its a start, and theres links to where he can get the correct info.

This guy has shown a genuine interest in easyjet and in Liverpool Airport.

No he hasn't, the airline in question is easyJet, not EasyJet, (4/10 attn to detail), and all he's asked is 'some bloke has said 'x' on our web site, is it true? Seeing as he's a member and can use the search function, he could easily have checked himself. Also seeing as he knows very little and he's asked people to email him, ('fancy being quoted anybody'?), how will he validate any info he gets on the emails as being factual? Journalists are supposed to report facts after all.

would wake up, stop being so autistic, and realise that not every tax payer flies aircraft for a living or thinks aeroplanes 24/7.

I don't know anyone who does think that. However with this being a forum with a good deal of professional expertise across the board, simple use of the search function would help him target his questions to potentially get an interesting story. That he chooses not to help himself does imply a slack approach, regardless of copy deadline. (I have some experience myself, occaisionally freelancing both text and photo's)

It is no wonder the government taxes the industry so much.

The government taxes replies to lazy journo's on forums? Thats outrageous!
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Old 27th Jul 2010, 14:42
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Jumpseater, you have made a dull afternoon into an amusing one! Just don't call anyone surely.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 12:55
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how anal can you get???

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Just because Easyjet wants to look chavvy and illiterate it doesn't mean the rest of us have to follow it blindly.
Sorry to dissapoint you but that's what the airline is actually called. Its known as 'branding'. Bit like 'Toys capital R back to front Us'

The poor beggar was only trying to ask for information, how else do you suppose they get it, with or without your awful greengrocer's apostrophes?

Well sum of us hoo rite bitz 4 paypas an magazeenz for munee, do stuf corled 'research' see below.
n.
1. Scholarly or scientific investigation or inquiry. See Synonyms at inquiry.
2. Close, careful study.
v. re·searched, re·search·ing, re·search·es
v.intr.
To engage in or perform research.
v.tr.
1. To study (something) thoroughly so as to present in a detailed, accurate manner

I found the wiki link I put in my above post in a few seconds through a search engine called 'Google'. Google
There's also this forum he may not be aware of
http://www.pprune.org/
Apparently on the first page you can see

ATC section
A place where pilots may enter the 'lions den' that is Air Traffic Control in complete safety and find out the answers to all those obscure topics which you always wanted to know the answer to but were afraid to ask.

Airlines Airports and Routes
Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Passengers & SLF (self loading freight)
If you are regularly a passenger on any airline then why not post your views or questions here? Many of us pilots like to know exactly what you think of us, the job, the airline or anything that you think we should hear about.

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Now I'm betting a quick look inside the PPRuNe forum and that wiki link may well help him, if he's that interested. His posting history seems to indicate that he isn't.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 17:11
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Media Forum

As well as being a card carrying member of the pilot profession, I must admit to being a media person also.

I would request that all fellow ppruners, respect the media attempt at getting the facts right, when they do try.

The only accurate newspaper was the Telegraph, and the BBC (in the old days was reasonably accurate and technically correct, (my area of involvement)).

Please remember that any profession has its buzz words, and untill we explain clearly and accurately, then the wrong answers might surface.

The EJ NO slots answer was a typical answer from management, to placate the customer, to remove any blame from themselves.

A scheduled service provider is required to ensure that all the "providers" down route, airports airspace etc, are capable of handling the aircraft and passengers. BUT as we all know slots are usually in place either when airports have a high voloume of traffic, thus regulate in advance movements, or airports and control areas have limits that they can not handle safely, thus on an hour to hour basis issue slots.

A possible exception is a strike in France.!!!!! or Spain, and a predicted SLOT problem affects all traffic. In the old days route round, under, over...

But today its all cost driven.

good night viewers, good night.

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