Standby duty with intervening rest?
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Standby duty with intervening rest?
According to subpart Q a Standby is defined as follows:
´Standby´: A defined period of time during which a crew member is required by the operator to be available to receive an assignment for a flight, positioning or other duty without an intervening rest period.
My operator assigns it´s pilots to perform 2 legs with an intervening rest period (an minimum rest outstation). In my opinion this goes against the definition. After I checked out for my first leg, my INTERVENING rest starts (and so I´m free of all duties incl. standby duties). Therefore my Standby ends at check out.
Please share your vision about this!
Thanks in advance!
´Standby´: A defined period of time during which a crew member is required by the operator to be available to receive an assignment for a flight, positioning or other duty without an intervening rest period.
My operator assigns it´s pilots to perform 2 legs with an intervening rest period (an minimum rest outstation). In my opinion this goes against the definition. After I checked out for my first leg, my INTERVENING rest starts (and so I´m free of all duties incl. standby duties). Therefore my Standby ends at check out.
Please share your vision about this!
Thanks in advance!
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Seems legal to me.
Keep in mind, if I was your fleet manager, I would say, like it...or leave.
And if you leave, don't let the door smack you on the backside on the way out....as you will not be missed.
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Keep in mind, if I was your fleet manager, I would say, like it...or leave.
And if you leave, don't let the door smack you on the backside on the way out....as you will not be missed.
Over.
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Ignoring the ego trippers:
Q*R*H - I confess to being confused by your post - can you clarify? You say
-as if this is a regular occurrence. How does this fit with 'Standby'? Can you give us the roster -24 and +24 as well?
Q*R*H - I confess to being confused by your post - can you clarify? You say
My operator assigns it´s pilots to perform 2 legs with an intervening rest period
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ASFKAP is right.
I will try to be more clear...:
I'm scheduled for a Standby duty from 18.00 till 06.00. I'm called at 19.00 hours for 2 legs:
First leg: Madrid - Barcelona and after a minimum rest outstation (so NOT a split duty) the Second leg: Barcelone - Madrid (base)
In my opinion this duty is contrary with the definition since the defined period of time during which a crew member is required by the operator to be available to receive an assignment for a flight, positioning or other duty is intervened with a (minimum) rest period.
And to 411A: I'm just trying to share something which might be useful to all of us. Just like you did 7,335 times
I will try to be more clear...:
I'm scheduled for a Standby duty from 18.00 till 06.00. I'm called at 19.00 hours for 2 legs:
First leg: Madrid - Barcelona and after a minimum rest outstation (so NOT a split duty) the Second leg: Barcelone - Madrid (base)
In my opinion this duty is contrary with the definition since the defined period of time during which a crew member is required by the operator to be available to receive an assignment for a flight, positioning or other duty is intervened with a (minimum) rest period.
And to 411A: I'm just trying to share something which might be useful to all of us. Just like you did 7,335 times
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As far as I can see I think you are getting confused over this 'intervening rest'. The idea of 'Standby' is that you go from it to a 'duty' without any 'intervening rest' (this would almost certainly be 'min rest' or more, in which case your standby finishes when you are notified of this 'future duty').
Otherwise, once you commence the 'duty' from standby you are limited to the max FDP as per EU-OPS Pt Q (basic 13hrs +/-) extended where applicable by either suitably provisioned split duty rest or by 'proper rest' - as you were- in which case you then re-commence a new FDP for your return sector in the morning, and yesterday's standby is 'history' and irrelevant. Your return sector is a whole new duty, subject again to the basic 13hrs.
The duty you quote would be one most pilots would kill for from standby!
Otherwise, once you commence the 'duty' from standby you are limited to the max FDP as per EU-OPS Pt Q (basic 13hrs +/-) extended where applicable by either suitably provisioned split duty rest or by 'proper rest' - as you were- in which case you then re-commence a new FDP for your return sector in the morning, and yesterday's standby is 'history' and irrelevant. Your return sector is a whole new duty, subject again to the basic 13hrs.
The duty you quote would be one most pilots would kill for from standby!
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Thank you BOAC for your contribution.
It's not that I don't like the duty or want to complain about everything which is better elsewere, it's more that I would like to know if it is a misinterpretation from my site, or if it is possible to read it the way I do. If it is open to interpretation it might have a big impact on operators and pilots in terms of increasing numbers of minimum rest...
It's not that I don't like the duty or want to complain about everything which is better elsewere, it's more that I would like to know if it is a misinterpretation from my site, or if it is possible to read it the way I do. If it is open to interpretation it might have a big impact on operators and pilots in terms of increasing numbers of minimum rest...
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A 'standby' period can be used to notify you of a changed roster (in which case your standby ceases and any required 'rest' begins) or to give you a new duty without any 'intervening rest', which is what happened to you. In your case you were called out to operate 1 sector (MAD-BCN). On arrival at BCN your duty and FDP ended. You then had the required rest and commenced a new duty/FDP ('re-rostered' because that new duty was not on your ORIGINAL roster). What was your ORIGINAL duty for day 2?
I cannot see any problem with what happened, to be honest, unless your employment contract has some clauses which prevent it.
I cannot see any problem with what happened, to be honest, unless your employment contract has some clauses which prevent it.
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Usual thing where i work, a call from standby usually changes the roster for the next few days as well. We try to change our union contract so that that is no longer possible instead using standby blocks to give the company the required flexibility.
