JAA ends 30 JUNE 09
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JAA ends 30 JUNE 09
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Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere (I did search, really I did) but does anyone here have a clue what the handover from JAA to EASA will involve fwhen JAA expires on 30 June next week?
As I understand it, JAA regs did not have much authority whereas EASA does have some legal clout. This should be of interest to everyone.
For example will, say, any EASA TRE, regardless of issuing authority, sign off a revalidation for any other EASA licence holder from 01 July onwards? That's been a grey area for a while under JAA, let alone EASA.
Do JAA-FCL regs automatically become EASA-FCL regs?
Looking at the EASA web site, I find it really difficult to find any information about FCL regs. Furthermore, there is nothing about this change on the JAA web site either, apart from a front page story of the big party everyone had to celebrate it's demise!
We had a similar thing last year with the IATA Language Proficiency checks. within two days of the mandatory start date for this, very few licensing authorities had done anything and suddenly realised they had to. At this point many rushed out a blanket level 4 to their active license holders, and told them to get tested by 2011. How many licence holderes have done this yet?
So, any information about the changeover from JAA to EASA and FCL to ....??? whatever it will be, will be greatly appreciated. Or perhaps if you know of other threads you would kindly show them here
Thanks!
Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere (I did search, really I did) but does anyone here have a clue what the handover from JAA to EASA will involve fwhen JAA expires on 30 June next week?
As I understand it, JAA regs did not have much authority whereas EASA does have some legal clout. This should be of interest to everyone.
For example will, say, any EASA TRE, regardless of issuing authority, sign off a revalidation for any other EASA licence holder from 01 July onwards? That's been a grey area for a while under JAA, let alone EASA.
Do JAA-FCL regs automatically become EASA-FCL regs?
Looking at the EASA web site, I find it really difficult to find any information about FCL regs. Furthermore, there is nothing about this change on the JAA web site either, apart from a front page story of the big party everyone had to celebrate it's demise!
We had a similar thing last year with the IATA Language Proficiency checks. within two days of the mandatory start date for this, very few licensing authorities had done anything and suddenly realised they had to. At this point many rushed out a blanket level 4 to their active license holders, and told them to get tested by 2011. How many licence holderes have done this yet?
So, any information about the changeover from JAA to EASA and FCL to ....??? whatever it will be, will be greatly appreciated. Or perhaps if you know of other threads you would kindly show them here
Thanks!
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Hi Dylsexlic,
Copy of my answer given somewhere else:
"After the closure of JAA, and more important, the closure of the "Cyprus Arrangements" being the foundation for mutual recognition, the situation is this:
All member states are supposed to declare bi-lateral recognition, to effectively keep "business as usual", while we await EASA to get going on their Part FCL, Part OPS, Part AR and Part OR. In the mean time, the LIST, MEST and OPST standardisation visits are going on, based on Memorandums of Understanding between EASA and each member state, that EASA is performing these visits on behalf of the (non-existent) JAA.
Sooo, for all practical purposes: Business as usual.
"
When these Parts are in place, all licenses/ratings/authorisations/approvals issued under JAR-FCL 1 (amd 7) or JAR-FCL 2 (amd 6) will be considered to fulfill the corresponding Part requirements.
Hope this can clarify a somewhat murky situation
Cheers,
redbar1
Copy of my answer given somewhere else:
"After the closure of JAA, and more important, the closure of the "Cyprus Arrangements" being the foundation for mutual recognition, the situation is this:
All member states are supposed to declare bi-lateral recognition, to effectively keep "business as usual", while we await EASA to get going on their Part FCL, Part OPS, Part AR and Part OR. In the mean time, the LIST, MEST and OPST standardisation visits are going on, based on Memorandums of Understanding between EASA and each member state, that EASA is performing these visits on behalf of the (non-existent) JAA.
Sooo, for all practical purposes: Business as usual.
"
When these Parts are in place, all licenses/ratings/authorisations/approvals issued under JAR-FCL 1 (amd 7) or JAR-FCL 2 (amd 6) will be considered to fulfill the corresponding Part requirements.
Hope this can clarify a somewhat murky situation
Cheers,
redbar1
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Thanks Redbar1. Good description. Effectively JAA is being switched off before EASA is fully operational, but they are assuming the role that JAA has vacated in the meantime.
Do you know if all member states declared bi-lateral recognition in advance of the 30 June deadline?
Do you know if all member states declared bi-lateral recognition in advance of the 30 June deadline?
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Hi again Dylsexlic,
Yes, you've got the picture.
And if I could answer your question:
"..if all member states declared bi-lateral recognition in advance of the 30 June deadline?"
I would be very rich, considering it's just the 27 June yet
..no worries... just an easy score
... to get serious, the show should go on, the national authorities and EASA staff are busy finding the neccessary mechanisms to work out this "void" legal space, and it WILL work out. By now, we are so far into European integration in aviation, no-one can turn back the clock! (Even if it might seem some certain EU-empoyed legal staff try to 
)
Cheers,
redbar1
Yes, you've got the picture.
And if I could answer your question:
"..if all member states declared bi-lateral recognition in advance of the 30 June deadline?"
I would be very rich, considering it's just the 27 June yet
..no worries... just an easy score
... to get serious, the show should go on, the national authorities and EASA staff are busy finding the neccessary mechanisms to work out this "void" legal space, and it WILL work out. By now, we are so far into European integration in aviation, no-one can turn back the clock! (Even if it might seem some certain EU-empoyed legal staff try to )Cheers,
redbar1
