What's with the term "command?"
no worries, mate" just sounds a little informal to me...
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Anhanh! All this "captain" and "commander", "3 bars" and "4 bars" made me think of those working in General aviation and those instructors carrying those golden 4 bars on their shoulders and being called captain, what happens to them when they move to airline industry? They are downgraded from golden 4 bars (which can be considered an insult) or it's better they don't wear those or the term captain shouldn't be used for them?
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They are downgraded from golden 4 bars (which can be considered an insult) or it's better they don't wear those or the term captain shouldn't be used for them?
However a couple of the guys with big egos were so enraged with this great indignity that they always wore their raincoats over their jackets, even in the height of summer!
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I just retrieved my next month's roster from the company web site.
On some long flights I'm shown as CMD (Commander), and on others as CPT (Captain), so wherein lies the difference?
In a double crew operation, 2 Captains and 2 F/Os, someone must be "the boss", no room for democracy between the two Captains, so one of them is designated as COMMANDER.
There's other variations, where I'm shown as AU. (2 Captains and 1 F/O). For a decode of AU, refer to the Periodic Table of Elements -
AU = I'm worth my weight in Gold
Regards,
Old Smokey (Sometimes Commander, Sometimes Captain, and sometimes worth his weight in gold).
On some long flights I'm shown as CMD (Commander), and on others as CPT (Captain), so wherein lies the difference?
In a double crew operation, 2 Captains and 2 F/Os, someone must be "the boss", no room for democracy between the two Captains, so one of them is designated as COMMANDER.
There's other variations, where I'm shown as AU. (2 Captains and 1 F/O). For a decode of AU, refer to the Periodic Table of Elements -
AU = I'm worth my weight in Gold
Regards,
Old Smokey (Sometimes Commander, Sometimes Captain, and sometimes worth his weight in gold).
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A matter of semantics after all. The job that you are doing is being in Command of the aircraft and its crew. The rank that you hold is Captain!!!!
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Kinda like in Old Smokeys case we had that happen during linechecks. The TRE doing the linecheck from the jumpseat was usually the assigned commander of the flight while the captain occupying the left seat was just the captain, but not the commander.
CM1???????
Apology for reviving an old thread. (Well a week old anyway).
Where have the terms CM1, CM2 come from?
EG. CM1 headset inop.
This has started to appear mainly, from my experience, on middle eastern carriers.
I first came across it about 18 months ago and had to ask the er, chap sat at the front on the left, what it meant as it was in the tech log and no one knew what it meant.
Where have the terms CM1, CM2 come from?
EG. CM1 headset inop.
This has started to appear mainly, from my experience, on middle eastern carriers.
I first came across it about 18 months ago and had to ask the er, chap sat at the front on the left, what it meant as it was in the tech log and no one knew what it meant.
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It comes from Airlines that use computerised tracking of crew duties where you can have up to four or five crew members on a flight. SIA was airline that used it.
At the Eastern Airlines KATL base, it was
Sir, Bubba and Boy for a three-man crew. So, the pre-departure routine was:
"Bubba, get us a clearance to Miami."
"Yes, Sir."
Boy, we could use a cup of coffee after you put another log on the fire."
No pretense in the Southland, if you understood who was boss.
GF
Sir, Bubba and Boy for a three-man crew. So, the pre-departure routine was:
"Bubba, get us a clearance to Miami."
"Yes, Sir."
Boy, we could use a cup of coffee after you put another log on the fire."
No pretense in the Southland, if you understood who was boss.
GF
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I always thought that the CSD/Purser was in charge of the aircraft
Tossed his sorry backside off at the first stop.
The company?
Sent him a don't come Monday letter.
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"Skipper" 
...gives me visions of a happy-go-lucky cap-doffed-to-one-side Para-Handy type character.
"2 years to my command"
The expectant arrogance of this is self explanatory.
I would only expect to be called Captain at work by someone who doesn't know my name and is trying to summonse my attention. I have been known to shout "Dispatcher?!" across GPU noise if I am trying to catch someone I don't know. Want of a better term is always preferred
so open to ideas. I am too unfit to break in to a sprint and my shins show too many scars from trying to vacate a flight deck too quickly!
"I always thought that the CSD/Purser was in charge of the aircraft "
Don't laugh! Sadly this opinion is rife, albeit innocently. It's an unfortunate reflection of how some Captains don't recognise the benefits of briefing / liaising / asking the cabin crew when they would like to board / what facilities they need in the interests of good CRM. To have the privilege of commanding the operation as a whole means to embrace the concept of offering respect and assistance to those on board with other responsibilities.
I've lost count of the amount of times a Purser has instructed the dispatcher to board passengers and sent him away without notifying his presence to the Captain. Red faces all round when the Captain then notifies the cabin crew the aeroplane has a tech fault.
...gives me visions of a happy-go-lucky cap-doffed-to-one-side Para-Handy type character.
"2 years to my command"
The expectant arrogance of this is self explanatory.
I would only expect to be called Captain at work by someone who doesn't know my name and is trying to summonse my attention. I have been known to shout "Dispatcher?!" across GPU noise if I am trying to catch someone I don't know. Want of a better term is always preferred
so open to ideas. I am too unfit to break in to a sprint and my shins show too many scars from trying to vacate a flight deck too quickly!"I always thought that the CSD/Purser was in charge of the aircraft "
Don't laugh! Sadly this opinion is rife, albeit innocently. It's an unfortunate reflection of how some Captains don't recognise the benefits of briefing / liaising / asking the cabin crew when they would like to board / what facilities they need in the interests of good CRM. To have the privilege of commanding the operation as a whole means to embrace the concept of offering respect and assistance to those on board with other responsibilities.
I've lost count of the amount of times a Purser has instructed the dispatcher to board passengers and sent him away without notifying his presence to the Captain. Red faces all round when the Captain then notifies the cabin crew the aeroplane has a tech fault.
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Love the lawyers?!
The whole thing boils down to someone has to be in command thus the term Pilot In Command. The legal types have to know who to go after in the event an untoward event happens. Usually in air carrier operations this is spelled out in the paperwork for the flight. Unfortunately, in general aviation it is not spelled out and sometimes you can become PIC and not realize it. Happened to a friend many years ago. Robert was a CFI and was asked to just right around the pattern a couple of times with another mutual friend. Turned out the guy who asked Robert to ride with him was not current and lost control of the aircraft on the 2nd circuit striking several taxi lights. Since Robert was the only pilot who was current and qualified he was the PIC and caught a bunch of grief.
Just be careful!
Jon
Just be careful!
Jon
