L1011 start-up charter in Cardiff
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From: Cardiff
It just gets better!
FlyforBeans is supposed to be a new lo-cost airline flying from Cardiff throughout Europe. They were due to start well over a year ago, but nothing materialised, but still occasionally pop up in the press saying they are still there and waiting for the right time!
There's currently no long haul from CWL, so there is a market. But not for a startup with an elderly Tristar!
FlyforBeans is supposed to be a new lo-cost airline flying from Cardiff throughout Europe. They were due to start well over a year ago, but nothing materialised, but still occasionally pop up in the press saying they are still there and waiting for the right time!
There's currently no long haul from CWL, so there is a market. But not for a startup with an elderly Tristar!
Pilots' Pal
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From: USA
Hey 411A,
Have you got extra-wide doors in your house? If not, with a head like yours, you must live outside.
Why do you throw so many stones? I cannot believe the other operators of L1011s to which you refer were paragons of operational efficiency.
Have you got extra-wide doors in your house? If not, with a head like yours, you must live outside.
Why do you throw so many stones? I cannot believe the other operators of L1011s to which you refer were paragons of operational efficiency.
Last edited by Bus429; 17th February 2009 at 13:04.
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From: Dunstable, Beds UK
Gorilla,
Three engines ??
You have obviously never had to ship a big fan engine to delightful out of the way holiday island to get a twin with an engine out rescued
Plus of course much improved dispatch capability
BTW some tristars had 4 engines
Three engines ??
You have obviously never had to ship a big fan engine to delightful out of the way holiday island to get a twin with an engine out rescued
Plus of course much improved dispatch capability
BTW some tristars had 4 engines
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From: Arizona USA
Jeez, please remind me to not ever, ever, open another thread with the words L1011 in it...
The one seemingly common demominator amongst operators that had 'problems'?
Brits.
All others?
The 'ole L10 worked OK, and made a handsome profit for their operators.
Delta
ANA
Royal Jordanian
Gulf Air
TWA
Eastern
Many more.
Perhaps it was that there were no Brits involved, to any great extent?
A blessing, it would appear.
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From: bogota
why all the animosity against 411A?
Leave him alone, while I may not agree with some of his views and ways, I respect his knowledge and expertise, if some of you don´t like what he says then don´t stalk him, he has a lot of patience, but I would hate to see him leave pprune because of some of you and your outright hatred.
Maybe it is just that some of you envy him?.
Leave him alone, while I may not agree with some of his views and ways, I respect his knowledge and expertise, if some of you don´t like what he says then don´t stalk him, he has a lot of patience, but I would hate to see him leave pprune because of some of you and your outright hatred.
Maybe it is just that some of you envy him?.
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From: Arizona USA
...if some of you don´t like what he says then don´t stalk him,
This is maintenance folks, especially.
UK pilots, on the other hand, quite liked the 'ole L1011, and its superb handling qualities.
The RAF is especially challanged, it appears, having these types in 'charge' of their aircraft servicing.
Outsourcing might be the answer...certainly it might tend to improve their dispatch reliability.
UL had, at one time, the highest daily utilisation of all TriStar operators...17 hours, and up.
I never had a tech delay in over five years there.
Zero, nada, none.
Good old fashioned maintenance, properly applied.
It certainly can be done, provided certain folks are kept firmly at arms length...
and not allowed to muck up the works.
Pilots' Pal
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From: USA
You know, 411A, under the current regime in the UK, we Brits could claim that you are rather racist. However, rather than stifle your right to free speech, I hope the moderators keep you going.
You must be a very bitter person or a very good wind-up merchant. Nobody could possibly envy you.
You must be a very bitter person or a very good wind-up merchant. Nobody could possibly envy you.
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From: Arizona USA
Nobody could possibly envy you.
Both of these were in the UK.
It would appear to me that although the type is old, it certainly can be maintained reasonably, if primarily two conditions are met....
Sufficient funding is provided.
Sufficient technical expertise is available.
In regards to the RAF, I rather suspect funding is the issue.
If, on the other hand, technical expertise is the problem, outsourcing is clearly the answer.
One would hope that from a flight operations perspective, the very necessary lessons have been learned regarding how to properly fly the aeroplane, as it really is quite simple...RTFB.
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From: the twilight zone
If you're retired 411, your a lucky guy cuz you won't have to sit beside the likes of ASSKAP and listen to his pointless drivel for hours on end, or maybe at his 9 to 5 office job he's boring his co workers to tears with his holier than thou baloney
, or maybe at his 9 to 5 office job he's boring his co workers to tears with his holier than thou baloney
