L1011 start-up charter in Cardiff
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If it was such a great design why are no modern tri-jets being produced now?
Of course, the twin has operational restrictions that the trijet...or 4-engine airplane, does not.
At the time, the 'ole L1011 was the most modern, automated aeroplane in the skies, bar none.
It still is a viable performer in certain niche markets.
Comments to the contrary, not excepted.
IF it was soooo bad, the RAF would have eliminated the type, long ago.
Maybe.....
Many large international airlines made money with the TriStar, and yet...one quite large airline stands out amongst others, as having been a failure in this regard.
We know the reason...operational expertise.
IE: they simply could not cope.
Hardly surprising, now is it?
I must say however, that that lack of opertational expertise did NOT extend to the flight operationas department.
I personally know many of their former folks, and they rave about the TriStars performance, from a pilots perspective.
Apparently, the problems with the type at this one particular large airline was critically centered in the maintenance department.
Surprise, surprise.
IE: many there simply couldn't read (nor, apparently understand) the Lockheed supplied maintenance manual, or....had no comprehension of the maintenance required.
Other airlines...not so.
Among those were...
TWA
EAL
Saudia
AirLanka
Royal Jordanian
ANA
Gulf Air
Cathay Pacific
Delta (the larget operator with over sixty L10 aircraft)
The list goes on.
All quite satisfied operators.
Amazing...sour grapes from only one source.
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Please don't try to ban dear old 411A. Every website in the world needs at least one 411A. Life would be so boring if we were all the same.
He obviously loves his dear old Tripestar and I can understand that, since my mates who have flown it tell me that it was the best and most comfortable over-engineered crew transport that was ever built.
It's just such a shame that it runs out of fuel after five and a half hours with max payload (otherwise Fedex would be flying at least 100 of them instead of DC-10s).
He obviously loves his dear old Tripestar and I can understand that, since my mates who have flown it tell me that it was the best and most comfortable over-engineered crew transport that was ever built.
It's just such a shame that it runs out of fuel after five and a half hours with max payload (otherwise Fedex would be flying at least 100 of them instead of DC-10s).
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Please don't try to ban dear old 411A.
I (rarely) personally insult contributors...only their misguided, disconnected, off the wall....ideas.
There is a very large difference.
Having been in the airline business for over forty years gives me quite a unique perspective...pilots...bit@hing and moaning all the time, ground engineers, the same bit@hing and wailing...but many miss the program altogether.
You MUST cooperate to graduate, simply because aircraft and maintenance decisions are made at the board level, which (few appreciate) are made rather above their pay grade.
Don't like it....quit, and find another job.
These folks who actually DO quit, will find that no one cares.
Nobody.
Next question?
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The same could be said about the Nimrod....
The P3 is (was) far superior, yet the UK presseed on with a totally outdated design.
The actual reason that the UK MoD cannot afford a TriStar replacement...TriStar does the job at a fraction of the cost of a new(er) design*.
Fact.
*Except.
IF some jack@ss commander decides to try an autoland from too low a selected height (never read the AFM, apparently
) and prangs the beast beyond repair.
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Quote:
I (rarely) personally insult contributors
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IF some jack@ss commander
And you were doing so well.........
I (rarely) personally insult contributors
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IF some jack@ss commander
And you were doing so well.........
In short, and this applies to every type...RTFB.
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411A, I've got you on my "must read" list, so one fan, but then I'm same generation more or less. Wonder what that says about me?
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Sorry 411A, but I have to disagree with you on this one. The Tristar is costing the RAF (British taxpayer) loads of money as they are on the ground most of the time. How do I know? Because we do a lot of MOD flights because the RAF can't operate these flights themselves due to tech aircraft.
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...due to tech aircraft.
Penny-wise, pound foolish with the MoD....apparently.
Lockheed still has a rep there, I believe....wonder if he is even listened to?
IE: Keep what you have and properly maintain it...far less expensive than purchasing new.
Provided, of course, that the airplanes are flown properly, to begin with....
Trying to engage A/L at too low an altitude, ain't good.
RTFB.
Perhaps a new concept to the RAF?
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The RAF moves troops to and from the UK mainly using Tristar jets, some of which are 30 years old.
The figures showed 27% of the fleet was regularly out of action between April 2007 and March 2008.
The figures showed 27% of the fleet was regularly out of action between April 2007 and March 2008.
It would seem that the RAF has about as much expertise as did BA in the operation of the type....must be something in the local water supply.
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Heard the airline was "Fly for Beans" and they have 2 EASA L1011 500 series located ready to go.
There's a good demand for charter work presently as both Luzair & Euro Atlantic are down having C Checks and engine AD done.
There's a good demand for charter work presently as both Luzair & Euro Atlantic are down having C Checks and engine AD done.