BA58L blocks taxiway at Cape Town
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What a bunch of sad, BA-hating gits and whingers on this thread! BA operate CLC and ACARs loadsheets. Delays to others are rare. Live with it. It works. Some of you are trying to teach BA how to run an airline- they don't seem to be doing too bad! Worry about your own jobs! There are far bigger problems out there- the thickhead slow taxiers who delay turning off the runway with another aeroplane screaming down on them 3 miles away, because they are 'uncertain'! If I had a day off for every go-around I've had to do in a 747 because of those saddos, I'd have a very quiet month! THAT costs, not sitting waiting at idle for a couple of minutes, once in a blue moon! Get real folks!
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I would grill the BA crew ahead of me via the radio if they wouldn't be ready for departure within a minute or two.
Some in KLM obviously haven't learnt anything about RT procedures following their last hurried attempt at a departure!
"You would grill"...you pompous @rse!
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This isn't a once in a while event - it is so common that the SAA freighter pilots who operate from the freight ramp at CPT prepare intersection figures and include a brief on what to do if BA blocks the taxiway. Perhaps it's time for South Africa to include the UK "advise when FULLY ready" phrase before calling for pushback?? 
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Last minute changes ( LMCs ) which can mean pax number changes ie no shows , VERY late loading / confirmation of Staff pax etc , if very close to MTOW , some cargo might be offloaded , literally a last minute decision as to which cargo / what it weighs etc . This might involve counting of boxes etc if cargo holds 'Bulk Out ' ie just will not fit in the hold
The answer is very simple really. The flight should not be cleared to dispatch and commence pushback until the final paperwork is received by the cockpit crew. If everyone worked to this, then all would have an equal chance.
Who do we think we are fooling if we go for an on-time pushback and then sit on a taxi-way somewhere waiting for a loadsheet?
No final paperwork, no pushback.
Who do we think we are fooling if we go for an on-time pushback and then sit on a taxi-way somewhere waiting for a loadsheet?
No final paperwork, no pushback.
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What aeroplane pushes back ready for take-off? It takes a 747 10-15 minutes minimum to get checks and cabin briefing completed?
Let´s ban ALL pushbacks until ALL pre-take-off checks and briefings have been completed ON STAND! Then nobody would wait for anybody!
Let´s ban ALL pushbacks until ALL pre-take-off checks and briefings have been completed ON STAND! Then nobody would wait for anybody!
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I couldn't agree more, apart from inconveniencing other operators, there is also a chance that being pushed for time in the lane with other jets waiting behind, there is a chance of making an input error like EK in Aus. I am surprised that BA allows such a policy.
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No need to get smart rainboe. I have read the posts and fully understand. You dont seem to understand what I'm getting at. If you are receiving your final loadsheet in the lane with LMC's needed to be made to the FMC or MCDU, having irate jets waiting for taxi behind you just adds to the pressure which could in turn could lead to mistakes being made.
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Your post is exaggerated rubbish and you know it. 99.9% of BA ops get out of CPT with no delays on taxiways due to loadsheet problems. 20 minutes wait for takeoff to fit in with CPTs allegedly busy traffic system is a much more usual reason for delays.
Your post is exaggerated rubbish and you know it. 99.9% of BA ops get out of CPT with no delays on taxiways due to loadsheet problems. 20 minutes wait for takeoff to fit in with CPTs allegedly busy traffic system is a much more usual reason for delays.
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If you are receiving your final loadsheet in the lane with LMC's needed to be made to the FMC
Perhaps it's time for South Africa to include the UK "advise when FULLY ready" phrase before calling for pushback??
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Whilst the said procedure does cause a blockage due to the layout of an airport-e.g CPT I don't believe it was anywhere near 20 minutes!
3-5 minutes at most.
3-5 minutes at most.
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Rainboe, I can see from the name calling that you have used on numerous other posts what sort of character you are. I refuse to get involved in any mud slinging with you because in your mind you are obviously always right.
"Just occasionally you have to enter higher weights, which is done in seconds"
You said it my man, just a few seconds is all it takes. Please accept my humble apologies for daring to question BA's SOPS. I bow before you.
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"Just occasionally you have to enter higher weights, which is done in seconds"
You said it my man, just a few seconds is all it takes. Please accept my humble apologies for daring to question BA's SOPS. I bow before you.
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I refuse to get involved in any mud slinging with you because in your mind you are obviously always right.
What a wicked and completely unfounded thing to say about Rainboe
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He has to sign a Provisional Loadsheet which is used for all calculations. As long as the final ACARs loadsheet is within strict parameters, just an acknowledgement is sent by the crew before take-off on receipt of the final weights.
Maybe you are not familiar with large aeroplane airline operations. 'Discretion' over weights is not used to the same degree, certainly not at 747 level. Any possible discretion is usually in discussion between the Captain and ops staff long before this stage.
Maybe you are not familiar with large aeroplane airline operations. 'Discretion' over weights is not used to the same degree, certainly not at 747 level. Any possible discretion is usually in discussion between the Captain and ops staff long before this stage.
