What would the Captains out there do?
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What would the Captains out there do?
I should of put this on PPRUNE when it happened, but over dinner with Friends this evening I told them the story and thought why not put it to the Captains.
In early 2004 I was leaving Mumbai, India to fly back to the London after a two week trip. Whilst queing to go through security, ahead of us, were a group of about 8 or 10 chaps in the 28 - 40 age group. I don't know what country they were from or what religous belief if any they held. But they did look of Asian/Middle eastern origin.
As a group of failry well built men, they looked a bit intimidating and one of them was wearing a white t-shirt with a very large photo gloryfying the 9/11 attack on the World Trade centre, with one of the buildings on fire and the second plane hitting the other building with arabic writing below.
I looked the guy in the eye (thinking who the
are you and how do you have the ordascity to wear that) and he completelty staired me out and I felt quite threatend.
A minute later I looked over to the group to see what boarding passes they were holding. To my relief they were travelling on Lufthansa and we were with BA. But I thought, surely this guy won't get through secuirty, but to my amazement the two or three rather small Indian security guys just let him through without saying anyting. I later saw the group walking around in the departure lounge. I never found out if they were alowed to fly at the gate/entrance to plane.
Now if you wre the purser or Captain of the flight- what action would you take with this?
Surely this type of behaviour would of made large numbers of fellow passengers very uncomfortable. They would never have gotton away with soemthing like this in the UK or US. Probably in the US, you would kop a beating for such antics..
In early 2004 I was leaving Mumbai, India to fly back to the London after a two week trip. Whilst queing to go through security, ahead of us, were a group of about 8 or 10 chaps in the 28 - 40 age group. I don't know what country they were from or what religous belief if any they held. But they did look of Asian/Middle eastern origin.
As a group of failry well built men, they looked a bit intimidating and one of them was wearing a white t-shirt with a very large photo gloryfying the 9/11 attack on the World Trade centre, with one of the buildings on fire and the second plane hitting the other building with arabic writing below.
I looked the guy in the eye (thinking who the
are you and how do you have the ordascity to wear that) and he completelty staired me out and I felt quite threatend. A minute later I looked over to the group to see what boarding passes they were holding. To my relief they were travelling on Lufthansa and we were with BA. But I thought, surely this guy won't get through secuirty, but to my amazement the two or three rather small Indian security guys just let him through without saying anyting. I later saw the group walking around in the departure lounge. I never found out if they were alowed to fly at the gate/entrance to plane.
Now if you wre the purser or Captain of the flight- what action would you take with this?
Surely this type of behaviour would of made large numbers of fellow passengers very uncomfortable. They would never have gotton away with soemthing like this in the UK or US. Probably in the US, you would kop a beating for such antics..
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I am going to take a gamble and say this thread will have a number of comments saying what Captains would like and have the authority to do but know they can't because of the repercussions from team politial correctness!
Simply google "the muslim brotherhood the project" and you'll find a scarily well laid plan that we are victims (culturally) of yet nobody is doing anything about and certainly in this case I'm sure would compromise the ethical duties of the Captain.
Simply google "the muslim brotherhood the project" and you'll find a scarily well laid plan that we are victims (culturally) of yet nobody is doing anything about and certainly in this case I'm sure would compromise the ethical duties of the Captain.
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should of put this
I should have, not should of
should of (done something), derives from the misunderstood abbreviation, should've which 'sounds like' should of... which error is very common these days.
PS. I think you should have photographed them... and sent the photos to Lufthansa, the FBI and the Sun newspaper as well.
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Good point with the grammer HarryMann and I'm always happy to learn. Will not make that mistake again. I remember my mum correcting me on that one sometime ago. It always takes a couple of exsposures with me for my mind to get it!
The incident I wrote about also got me thinking, what other offensive things you could have on a t-shirt? (e.g. holocaust, pornogaphy etc) and how that would be tolerated- probably not very. But the thing with the 9/11 images was the direct link to the flying environment and how most people on the fligh would be in fear for ten hours.
The incident I wrote about also got me thinking, what other offensive things you could have on a t-shirt? (e.g. holocaust, pornogaphy etc) and how that would be tolerated- probably not very. But the thing with the 9/11 images was the direct link to the flying environment and how most people on the fligh would be in fear for ten hours.
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[I looked the guy in the eye (thinking who the are you and how do you have the ordascity to wear that) and he completelty staired me out and I felt quite threatend.]
So you gave the guy a look and he didn't like it? He was wearing a shirt with arabic writing but you don't know what it said?
If it were my flight, your comments would be noted and mentioned to the cabin crew. However it certainly is not evidence alone to deny a passenger access to the aircraft.
People talk about 'freedom' and then suggest that we ban from our flights passengers like the ones you mention based on the weakest of suspicion.
The T-shirt you mention does sound inappropriate. But I don't read arabic- it may have read "Never Again" for all I know. Perhaps if it is causing 'fear' the gentleman could be asked to cover it?
are you and how do you have the ordascity to wear that) and he completelty staired me out and I felt quite threatend.]So you gave the guy a look and he didn't like it? He was wearing a shirt with arabic writing but you don't know what it said?
If it were my flight, your comments would be noted and mentioned to the cabin crew. However it certainly is not evidence alone to deny a passenger access to the aircraft.
People talk about 'freedom' and then suggest that we ban from our flights passengers like the ones you mention based on the weakest of suspicion.
The T-shirt you mention does sound inappropriate. But I don't read arabic- it may have read "Never Again" for all I know. Perhaps if it is causing 'fear' the gentleman could be asked to cover it?
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Yep, Dunbar I had considered (after the event) that it may say something like that.
But why wear it? what is the motive to do so? any sensible person should know it aint gonna make people comfortable.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing even if I don't.
There is a fine line between freedom to speak/express and being provocative.
I always think- what would of happend had there been a few US marines or a US college football team at the airport.
But why wear it? what is the motive to do so? any sensible person should know it aint gonna make people comfortable.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing even if I don't.
There is a fine line between freedom to speak/express and being provocative.
I always think- what would of happend had there been a few US marines or a US college football team at the airport.
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I always think- what would of happend had there been a few US marines or a US college football team at the airport.
jj - there you go again - "what would of happened" - it's what would have happened!! Yes, I know I'm being picky too but go back to your original posting and check the spelling.
Sorry, it's late.
Sorry, it's late.
Wearing such a thing here in the US?---
Juniour Jetset, You were right You'd get a 'beatdown' by other pax---Capt. would not have to do anything because the riot squad'l have to deal with it
As for me, NOT ON MY PLANE!!! keep that offensive material on the GROUND!
Juniour Jetset, You were right You'd get a 'beatdown' by other pax---Capt. would not have to do anything because the riot squad'l have to deal with it
As for me, NOT ON MY PLANE!!! keep that offensive material on the GROUND!
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Actually, "should have + past participle" is usually contracted to "should've", which is pronounced "shudof". I think that they pronounce many words different than normal in Britain, tho.
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However, on a more serious note, I do know for fact that a Captain in the U.S. walked onto the plane, saw a long-haired guy in a T-shirt sitting in first-class with his feet up on the other seat, and rather aggressively told him to get his feet off the seat or get off the plane. The pax put his feet on the floor.
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Scene: Rhodes, circa 1998.
Cabin Chief advises that (during boarding of pax) four loud females in back appear to be intoxicated and using foul language.
Commander (yours truly) walks back and says...'if you four don't behave yourselves, you will be sent back to the terminal.'
Smarta** female then says...'whose gonna make us?'
Commander then says...'The three policeman at the door, that's who.'
Complete silence from the smarta** females followed, for the entire flight.
They didn't get any adult beverages, either.
Cabin Chief advises that (during boarding of pax) four loud females in back appear to be intoxicated and using foul language.
Commander (yours truly) walks back and says...'if you four don't behave yourselves, you will be sent back to the terminal.'
Smarta** female then says...'whose gonna make us?'
Commander then says...'The three policeman at the door, that's who.'
Complete silence from the smarta** females followed, for the entire flight.
They didn't get any adult beverages, either.
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Interesting...
I would have talked to the guy with the T shirt...
Being in America, we have first Amendement right to speak our mind..why not talk to him...is he going to kick your butt in the airport lounge?....here comes security..problem solved...
No doubt half the Muslim world thought 9/11 was a good thing..and it's hard to see how the world thinks of us, when we live here, not there...
None the less, security should have been atleast on alert for this type of thing...and I suggest if they get on your plane, you keep the cockpit door locked.
Being in America, we have first Amendement right to speak our mind..why not talk to him...is he going to kick your butt in the airport lounge?....here comes security..problem solved...
No doubt half the Muslim world thought 9/11 was a good thing..and it's hard to see how the world thinks of us, when we live here, not there...
None the less, security should have been atleast on alert for this type of thing...and I suggest if they get on your plane, you keep the cockpit door locked.
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Whilst we are being pedantic:
A PLANE is a tool used for shaving off slivers of wood.
A fixed-wing mechanical invention for conveying people from one place to another by air is an AEROPLANE or (if you are from the tea-trashing side of the Atlantic) an AIRPLANE.
A PLANE is a tool used for shaving off slivers of wood.
A fixed-wing mechanical invention for conveying people from one place to another by air is an AEROPLANE or (if you are from the tea-trashing side of the Atlantic) an AIRPLANE.