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Just looking for answers concerning Pan Pan call !
Declaring Pan call to ATC for whatsoever reason, shall I still use my actual call-sign with present/next controller or change it to something below?
ex; XYZ123P to Pan123P ?
not pretty sure about correct R/T in that specific case!
thanks folks!
Declaring Pan call to ATC for whatsoever reason, shall I still use my actual call-sign with present/next controller or change it to something below?
ex; XYZ123P to Pan123P ?
not pretty sure about correct R/T in that specific case!
thanks folks!
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According to CAP 413, the initial emergency message contains the following information:
However, I am not sure if medical urgency flights use PAN in their callsign
I know that they present themselves as PAN PAN MEDICAL.
Maybe somebody else could fill you in on that
Hope this helps.
C-T
- PAN PAN/PAN PAN/PAN PAN
- Name of the station being addressed
- Your callsign
- Type of aircraft
- Nature of the urgency
- Your intentions
- A position report
- Your qualifications (PIC, PUT, what rating you have,etc)
- Any other useful information
However, I am not sure if medical urgency flights use PAN in their callsign
I know that they present themselves as PAN PAN MEDICAL.
Maybe somebody else could fill you in on that
Hope this helps.
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There's a commonly held belief that having declared urgency or distress, you should adopt a modified callsign. So, If you are 'Birdseed 123', and you declare a Pan, you should adopt the callsign 'Pan Birdseed 123'. However, despite lengthy searching, I can't find a reference for this. Perhaps someone else can assist?
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I had the dubious honour of making one myself not long ago (a Pan call, that is).
I had already informed ATC we had a problem which we were trying to resolve, so he was aware something might be in the offing. After a few minutes we decided we could not resolve the problem, and diverted. ATC asked if I was declaring an emergency, to which the reply was, "Affirm, Pan Pan," etc.
Normal callsign was used from then, and when I called the diversion airfield. On first contact with them, about 10 minutes after the Pan call, they informed us the emergency services were on the way, the adjacent road would be closed for our approach, and a neighboring airfield was standing by just in case we needed to go there. When we arrived, a short time later, there were dozens of professional people waiting, all with the sole purpose of helping us out of our difficulty.
The word "Pan" is absolutely magic. It performs miracles, as does "Mayday". Either word instantly removes any doubt or confusion regarding the seriousness of the situation. Any pilot who does not use the word when the situation demands is an idiot.
I had already informed ATC we had a problem which we were trying to resolve, so he was aware something might be in the offing. After a few minutes we decided we could not resolve the problem, and diverted. ATC asked if I was declaring an emergency, to which the reply was, "Affirm, Pan Pan," etc.
Normal callsign was used from then, and when I called the diversion airfield. On first contact with them, about 10 minutes after the Pan call, they informed us the emergency services were on the way, the adjacent road would be closed for our approach, and a neighboring airfield was standing by just in case we needed to go there. When we arrived, a short time later, there were dozens of professional people waiting, all with the sole purpose of helping us out of our difficulty.
The word "Pan" is absolutely magic. It performs miracles, as does "Mayday". Either word instantly removes any doubt or confusion regarding the seriousness of the situation. Any pilot who does not use the word when the situation demands is an idiot.
Mistrust in Management
Pan, Pan
Tried this in the Far East a couple of years ago whilst experiencing a problem with the pressurisation. I think ATC thought I was trying to sell kitchenware!
The MAYDAY during the emergency descent did finally get their attention.
A PAN call is great in principle, but I fear not all ATCers worldwide recognise what it means.
Regards
Exeng
The MAYDAY during the emergency descent did finally get their attention.
A PAN call is great in principle, but I fear not all ATCers worldwide recognise what it means.
Regards
Exeng