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Old 6th Sep 2005, 18:04
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The Policy on how many people can travel together is the norm to many a major organisation including mine. What gets me is that 2 of the main board are worth 24 of the plebs including moi.
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If I want to get to Spain I am going to travel by air. Their is no way I am going to consider Coach Car or Train because one form of travel is statisticly safer than another. I want to get to my destination as fast as possible and the only way is to fly.
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I HAVE THE ANSWER
On the road there are more stupid people around speeding and causing accidents and if they weren't on the road it would be safe.

Now in planes there are pretty much no idiots up there but intead there are idiot management taking shortcuts for money.
Does anyone agree.
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Who is this person (PP "on" Yourself) and what's he doing here with this drivel in R & N ?
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Old 7th Sep 2005, 06:13
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Hey DownIn3,

I am a frequent flyer and an aviation enthusiast. My post was related to a news article and also related to recent discussions about air disasters. If you don't like it don't read it, better yet go read your own lame drivel.

Its amazing that even after putting a disclaimer to avoid such unpleasentness there are still people out there who seem to get some perverted pleasure from flaming people.

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Old 7th Sep 2005, 06:44
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99.99% of statistics are made up on the spot....

Just as 21.78% of you will diagree with this statement, the rest simply dont care.

On an interesting note, 78.63% of those people think that the 21.78% of people that disagree with the statement are statistically kiwis
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Old 7th Sep 2005, 08:02
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Assuming I can still do maths, if air travel killed as many as the 750,000 road deaths a year, would it not be the equivelent of a full 747 crashing every 6 hours.

(I know its a meaningless statistic but useful to quote to those who worry about flying)
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Old 7th Sep 2005, 08:51
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Philip 2004 has just won the prize for the most stupid post yet. It's also in the wrong place.

I HAVE THE ANSWER
On the road there are more stupid people around speeding and causing accidents and if they weren't on the road it would be safe.

Now in planes there are pretty much no idiots up there but intead there are idiot management taking shortcuts for money.
Does anyone agree.

I for one, philip, do not! Please tell us who these managers are and which airlines you refer to.
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Old 7th Sep 2005, 15:31
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O.K there are accidents that happen due to weather sometimes but alot of accidents have been by low cost airlines and you can't deny that.
Plus the air france accident wouldn't have happened if they had built that bridge that someone asked for when it happenned the first time.
does anyone agree.
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Old 7th Sep 2005, 15:47
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Just guessing, I'd say horses and hang-gliders are the best way to not get there.
I think you'd guess right!

There is a surprising lack of hard data about deaths from falls from horses, but from anecdotal evidence from 'remembered' newspaper articles I'd say it's a pretty risky activity, especially if you're engaging in any form of competition.

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Old 7th Sep 2005, 16:23
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Speaking as an actuary, it's very difficult to produce a single number than encapsulates the statistics of very rare events, such as aircraft accidents. Because they're so rare, we need to capture the statistics over a very long period (at a guess >20 years?) in order to eliminate short-term fluctuations such as the very bad run that has sadly affected aviation over the last few months. But over such a long period, the nature of flying has changed - the fleets are different, the mix of journeys are different, operations are different (2-man rather than 3-man cockpits).

In reality, the destination determines the mode of transport. Living in England, if I want to go to central London, I take the train - if I want to go to New York, I fly. The only exception I can think of is a few routes in Europe where high-speed trains offer an alternative to flying.
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Old 7th Sep 2005, 17:20
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You can still see that alot of low cost airlines are having accidents which and things coming to light about management taking short-cuts. i'm not saying all are like that just some.
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Old 7th Sep 2005, 21:09
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Philip...you funny...ha...ha...
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Old 7th Sep 2005, 22:51
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Someone once claimed Hot air balloons were the safest form I can't see it myself too many recently have gone into power cables, I hear frequently, of the basket full of punters being dragged through hedges drystone walls, landing in trees on water during the land phase
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Old 9th Sep 2005, 09:52
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Whats the crack with bashing loco again Philip.

No one's mentiioned overladen ferries in India, they seem to sink with alarming regularity.
Horses would be a pretty safe bet, because I don't own one. They're more dangerous to other road users, so, go to work in your car, on your motorbike or bike, and still get killed by a horse when it falls on you. (though you do have to drive into it first)
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Old 11th Sep 2005, 19:01
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alot of low cost airlines are having accidents which and things coming to light about management taking short-cuts.
But throwing money at a problem is not the answer either. Attention to detail, good analysis of incident reports and squawks, and some reasonable relief from time pressures, is probably the best route to safe ops.

There's nothing new here; wing flutter in the Fokker F-10 was reported by pilots time after time, but only after a 1931 TWA accident at Bazaar, Kansas did management (including government) take action.
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Old 13th Sep 2005, 13:07
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Safest Mode of Travel is: drum roll please

Some years ago the safest mode of travel was an elevator (lift to those in UK). #2 was walking. #3 was a comercial airliner. #20 of 20 categories was an automobile.
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Old 14th Sep 2005, 08:01
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O.k i did say alot of lowcos are good i wouldn't mind going on easyjet. I guess it's more of a reputation thing.
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