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In 1972 a DHC Beaver onto Colonsay golf course. When it landed 1 + 2 the population trebled. Runway discounting large rock and natural sand traps might've been 211ft 5in or the wingspan of an unrefuelled 744. Captain (and he was a captain, light blue beret and an awfully tarnished gold-wire REME cap badge). When he took off he had to wait until the tide was out and Decca who were carrying out a survey at the time in co-operation with HMS Hecla had to move their caravan. Entire population of 2 then adjourned to the Scalasaig Hotel to marvel at the ways of the modern world. I have always wanted to do same but the ruddy Royal Engineers went and built a runway so that giant twin Otters could do the same.
I seem to remember seeing video of a US special forces flight test of a C130 with JATO bottles fitted in reverse, the intention being to stop very short - but on the flight test they somehow fired them just too early, while still airborne, and aircraft landed very heavily with quite bad damage. Don't know details of when or where.....
Anyone know any more on that one...??
Anyone know any more on that one...??
Farsouth, I've seen this as well. It was how the US had originally planned to conduct a rescue during the Iranian Embassy siege (looked straight out of a far-fetched movie to me)
They planned to land the Herc on a nearby footy field, using retro rockets
Our course, they eventually used helicopters (CH53's, I think) and that didn't go too well either
They planned to land the Herc on a nearby footy field, using retro rockets
Our course, they eventually used helicopters (CH53's, I think) and that didn't go too well either
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The_Flying_Cop,
You jest surely sir? An Islander into Bembridge hairy? I've taken a bog standard (i.e. knackered!) para club Islander in and out of a 500m uphill farmers strip with 10 parachutists on board, Noo probs!
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we fly our islander into their (Bembridge) on a semi-regular basis and it always seems a little hairy, even with a 10kt headwind.
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farsouth,
Here's a video of the C130 crash landing in question:
http://www.theaviationzone.com/media...ible_sport.mpg
The accident occured in 1980:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1980/801029-0.htm
Three aircraft were involved in modification/testing:
http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/v08.n097
Here's a video of the C130 crash landing in question:
http://www.theaviationzone.com/media...ible_sport.mpg
The accident occured in 1980:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1980/801029-0.htm
Three aircraft were involved in modification/testing:
Credible Sport Phase I: modified to YMC-130H configuration, Lockheed Model 382-41C, #4658, A.F. Serial Number 74-1683, Airframe #1, Assigned to the 463 Tactical Air Wing Oct 1977 to Sept 1980. Modified to a YMC-130H configuration for a rescue operation in Iran. With a C-141 in-flight refueling pod, DC-130 type radome. 30 Rockets total (ASROC engines provided by the Navy) pointing forward and downward on the forward and rear fuselage. This was the first airframe modified. It was tested at Duke field Eglin AFB. It flew approximately 4 test flights there. This airplane crashed at a demonstration on Oct 29, 1980. The airframe was buried at Duke field Eglin AFB after the crash.
Credible Sport Phase II: modified to YMC-130H configuration, Lockheed Model 382-41C, #4669, A.F. Serial Number 74-1686, Airframe #2, Assigned to the 463 TAW September 1976 to 1980. Modified to YMC-130H, 4950 Tactical Air Wing November 1982 to October 1987. Modified for a rescue operation in Iran. Modified same as 74-1683. This airframe was used for experimental testing purposes at Warner Robins AFB. These test provided the foundation and prototype testing for the Combat Talon II aircraft. This airframe was de-modified and given to the Warner Robins museum in March 1988.
Credible Sport Phase III: modified to YMC-130H configuration, Lockheed Model 382-41C, #4667, A.F. Serial Number 74-2065; Airframe #3 was assigned to the 463 TAW Oct 1977 to Sept 1980. This airframe was never completely modified to YMC-130H configuration and was used as a test platform for form fit and function of parts. The Rockets were never fitted. This airframe was de-modified in November 1984 at Lockheed Ontario. Painted in lizard camouflage scheme February 1988. Oct. 1991 assigned to the 773AS to present day.
Credible Sport Phase II: modified to YMC-130H configuration, Lockheed Model 382-41C, #4669, A.F. Serial Number 74-1686, Airframe #2, Assigned to the 463 TAW September 1976 to 1980. Modified to YMC-130H, 4950 Tactical Air Wing November 1982 to October 1987. Modified for a rescue operation in Iran. Modified same as 74-1683. This airframe was used for experimental testing purposes at Warner Robins AFB. These test provided the foundation and prototype testing for the Combat Talon II aircraft. This airframe was de-modified and given to the Warner Robins museum in March 1988.
Credible Sport Phase III: modified to YMC-130H configuration, Lockheed Model 382-41C, #4667, A.F. Serial Number 74-2065; Airframe #3 was assigned to the 463 TAW Oct 1977 to Sept 1980. This airframe was never completely modified to YMC-130H configuration and was used as a test platform for form fit and function of parts. The Rockets were never fitted. This airframe was de-modified in November 1984 at Lockheed Ontario. Painted in lizard camouflage scheme February 1988. Oct. 1991 assigned to the 773AS to present day.
Seem to remember a pioneer from Altrincham, Cheshire, landed a light aicraft on top of Helvelyn, in the Lake District, back in the 30's
edit - it was an Avro Alpha in 1924. Some guy landed it here
edit - it was an Avro Alpha in 1924. Some guy landed it here
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Had a school trip to Cosford Aerospace Museum in about 1979 (roughly). On arrival an RAF type, seemingly oblivious to any stereotypes, and with a handlebar moustache greeted us with the phrase 'come this way, we've a bit of a flap on', and shepherded us outside to witness the arrival of VC10 G-ARVM on its last flight. It did a go-around to assess things, and then skimmed over the trees near the threshold to do a full stop landing towards the railway embankment. Not sure of the dimensions involved, but we were told that it was the shortest runway a VC10 had ever landed on, and (memory is a bit more hazy about this) it was the VC10 chief pilot's last flight. Impressive sight.
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Flew into and out and out of Belfast City on the A321 recently.. Are there any special operational procedures or restrictions for that aircraft at Belfast City??
Found the City Airport ( to my surprise) to be better and more convenient than Belfast Internatinal even though I was going to the north west of Ireland (Derry ) !!!
Found the City Airport ( to my surprise) to be better and more convenient than Belfast Internatinal even though I was going to the north west of Ireland (Derry ) !!!
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Speaking of Cosford, getting the 707 G-APFJ was a bit of a bottom tightener, as it were....
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/118798/L/
I guess that a VC10 would have a lower landing speed than a 707 thanks to those massive flaps?
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/118798/L/
I guess that a VC10 would have a lower landing speed than a 707 thanks to those massive flaps?
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Probably Some of you remember TACA 737-300
Landing on a grass field 6000 feet.......Dual engine Flame out.
"During descent from FL350 for an IFR arrival to New Orleans, the flight crew noted green and yellow returns on the weather radar with some isolated red cells, left and right of the intended flight path. Before entering clouds at FL300, the captain selected continuous engine ignition and activated engine anti-ice systems. The crew selected a route between the 2 cells, displayed as red on the weather radar. Heavy rain, hail and turbulence were encountered. At about FL165, both engines flamed out. The APU was started and aircraft electrical power was restored while descending through abou FL106. Attempts to wind-mill restart the engines were unsuccessful. Both engines lit-off by using starters, but neither would accelerate to idle; advancing the thrust levers increased the EGT beyond limits. The engines were shut down to avoid a catastrophic failure. An emergency landing was made on a 6060 feetx120 feet grass strip next to a levee without further damage to the aircraft. Investigation revealed that the aircraft encountered a level 4 thunderstorm but engines flamed out, though they had met the FAA specs for water ingestion. The aircraft had minor hail damage; the #2 engine was damaged from overtemperature.
PROBABLE CAUSE: "A double engine flameout due to water ingestion which occurred as a result of an inflight encounter with an area of very heavy rain and hail. A contributing cause of the incident was the inadequate design of the engines and the FAA water ingestion certification standards which did not reflect the waterfall rates that can be expected in moderate or higher intensity thunderstorms."
Any One with any pictures of it?
Landing on a grass field 6000 feet.......Dual engine Flame out.
"During descent from FL350 for an IFR arrival to New Orleans, the flight crew noted green and yellow returns on the weather radar with some isolated red cells, left and right of the intended flight path. Before entering clouds at FL300, the captain selected continuous engine ignition and activated engine anti-ice systems. The crew selected a route between the 2 cells, displayed as red on the weather radar. Heavy rain, hail and turbulence were encountered. At about FL165, both engines flamed out. The APU was started and aircraft electrical power was restored while descending through abou FL106. Attempts to wind-mill restart the engines were unsuccessful. Both engines lit-off by using starters, but neither would accelerate to idle; advancing the thrust levers increased the EGT beyond limits. The engines were shut down to avoid a catastrophic failure. An emergency landing was made on a 6060 feetx120 feet grass strip next to a levee without further damage to the aircraft. Investigation revealed that the aircraft encountered a level 4 thunderstorm but engines flamed out, though they had met the FAA specs for water ingestion. The aircraft had minor hail damage; the #2 engine was damaged from overtemperature.
PROBABLE CAUSE: "A double engine flameout due to water ingestion which occurred as a result of an inflight encounter with an area of very heavy rain and hail. A contributing cause of the incident was the inadequate design of the engines and the FAA water ingestion certification standards which did not reflect the waterfall rates that can be expected in moderate or higher intensity thunderstorms."
Any One with any pictures of it?
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There is a promotional film made by De-Havilland of a DHC-5 Buffalo landing and then taking off (not a touch and go) from a baseball field in a city. Very impressive! The DHC-5 also does a mean short landing at Farnborough! "Bit late on the round out, Hoskins!"
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2FLYEU, I seem remember an issue of Flight Intl where that incident was fetured on front page. Maybe your local library can help you.
Most remarkable thing was that they flew it out of the field afterwards.
Most remarkable thing was that they flew it out of the field afterwards.
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DUSK 2 DAWN
...Dusk 2 dawn Well dude.. I think both of them are worth of reports and news,
Any way Imagine ur self flying no engines out of wx and flying to a grass strip ?
If u have flight Intntl mag copys mor than wl come !!!!!!!!!
Happy Landings!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any way Imagine ur self flying no engines out of wx and flying to a grass strip ?
If u have flight Intntl mag copys mor than wl come !!!!!!!!!
Happy Landings!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In the 1970's (I can't remember which year but it was one when everything froze solid) I was a pax in the Brymon from Newquay to Heathrow on my way to catch the overnight QANTAS to Bahrain where I then lived and worked.
On short final it started snowing heavilly and we diverted to Bournemouth. Bournemouth was the only major airfield left open in the south of England and just about everything was going there.
As we got out of the 'Hark the Herald' (it was a Christmas flight) a Laker DC10 arrived, smoke billowing from its brakes as they just made it in.
I believe that Bournemouth has never in its history had so many large aircraft on the ground at any one time. Airstairs were at a premium and some pax on larger aircraft had to wait for hours before they could disembark.
I heard a story (unconfirmed) that, in one case, ladders had been used to get people off.
I managed to get out of LHR the following day on an MEA via Beruit. We were de-iced right up until the last moment before pushback and when we took off it was down a corridor with snow banked either side of the runway higher than the cabin windows.
On short final it started snowing heavilly and we diverted to Bournemouth. Bournemouth was the only major airfield left open in the south of England and just about everything was going there.
As we got out of the 'Hark the Herald' (it was a Christmas flight) a Laker DC10 arrived, smoke billowing from its brakes as they just made it in.
I believe that Bournemouth has never in its history had so many large aircraft on the ground at any one time. Airstairs were at a premium and some pax on larger aircraft had to wait for hours before they could disembark.
I heard a story (unconfirmed) that, in one case, ladders had been used to get people off.
I managed to get out of LHR the following day on an MEA via Beruit. We were de-iced right up until the last moment before pushback and when we took off it was down a corridor with snow banked either side of the runway higher than the cabin windows.
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>>I have seen the video of the BAC1-11 arriving at Brooklands <<
Colleague of mine, Dick King, took the Omani VC10 into there. That must have been interesting to observe!
Colleague of mine, Dick King, took the Omani VC10 into there. That must have been interesting to observe!