A380 is supposed to fly at Le Bourget next month?
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I was at Toulouse to report on the "opening". The facts are that the Le Bourget organisers and Airbus marketeers would dearly love the A380 to be there, and preferably to be in the flying display - for obvious reasons.
The Airbus people who actually build the beast are saying "fine.....but..." depends how the schedule is going and what the impact on flight-test would be.
A personal bet: unless the programme has gone badly pear-shaped it'll be there. So will I
The Airbus people who actually build the beast are saying "fine.....but..." depends how the schedule is going and what the impact on flight-test would be.
A personal bet: unless the programme has gone badly pear-shaped it'll be there. So will I
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I assume that you work for Airbus.
As for people knocking Airbus aircraft, take no notice, Americans are just upset that Boeing is no longer the world leader in civil aircraft production. As far as the the A380 is concerned it's just p***s envy!!!
I fly the A330 at present and believe that it's the best aircraft flying today.
Keep up the good work.
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PS. Could you give the DGAC a call and get them to approve my application to fly in France over age 60?
I assume that you work for Airbus.
As for people knocking Airbus aircraft, take no notice, Americans are just upset that Boeing is no longer the world leader in civil aircraft production. As far as the the A380 is concerned it's just p***s envy!!!
I fly the A330 at present and believe that it's the best aircraft flying today.
Keep up the good work.
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PS. Could you give the DGAC a call and get them to approve my application to fly in France over age 60?
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The thought of a stand-up bar and shops is a hoot! Let's have an aeronautical Lounge-Lizard sitting at the Steinway. It would almost be like the luxurious days of the Zeppelins!
No. I think the B.O.S. (bums-on-seats) theory wins through here. Too much to resist.
Also the possibly huge potential for liability claims the first time a bit of CAT is encountered and the piano goes hurtling along the Grand Salon, along with the hot contents of the on-board MacBurgerChickenNchips outlet!
No. I think the B.O.S. (bums-on-seats) theory wins through here. Too much to resist.
Also the possibly huge potential for liability claims the first time a bit of CAT is encountered and the piano goes hurtling along the Grand Salon, along with the hot contents of the on-board MacBurgerChickenNchips outlet!
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Packsonflite:
I think you just summed it all up... envy. I'm probable more of a fool myself for letting it get me wound up.
To be honest with you, I don't actually work for Airbus, yet I do live just a few kilometres from their main offices here in Toulouse. My wife works for them and I have lots of friends their, so I'll certainly pass on your compliments as an A330 pilot!
I think you just summed it all up... envy. I'm probable more of a fool myself for letting it get me wound up.
To be honest with you, I don't actually work for Airbus, yet I do live just a few kilometres from their main offices here in Toulouse. My wife works for them and I have lots of friends their, so I'll certainly pass on your compliments as an A330 pilot!
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Actually the difference in window height would be higly appreiciated for people with my height. When I fly as a passenger, I always wondered why the engeneirs placed the cabin windows at my elbow. Especially the Bombardier and Embraer regional jet windows are ridiculously low placed.
And finally, I am of pretty normal height for a Scandihooligan.
Actually the difference in window height would be higly appreiciated for people with my height. When I fly as a passenger, I always wondered why the engeneirs placed the cabin windows at my elbow. Especially the Bombardier and Embraer regional jet windows are ridiculously low placed.
And finally, I am of pretty normal height for a Scandihooligan.
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At the risk of getting off-topic... should there be accusations that this time Boeing is receiving unfair government subsidies?
Or is it ok because it is the Japanese government that seems to be offering the money?
Or is it ok because it is the Japanese government that seems to be offering the money?
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Stand-up bars:
Don't Virgin have a bar in their 747s? And their A340s, for that matter (don't know, never flown with them, just heard it "on the grapevine").
I do know that Singapore have a stand up lounge on their A340-500s, though. And targetted at economy pax as well. So popular, apparently, that business pax are joining their erstwhile colleagues in the back.
Not such a dumb concept after all....
I thought ANA had ordered the 7E7? It's not listed on Boeing orders and deliveries on their website. Anybody know what's going on? Have they ordered it or not? If not, the surely scores are 129 to nil (so far, and probably not for long).
747Focal, how many orders for the 747 did you guys have 6 months before first flight? It's before my time, I'm afraid, so I don't know what one should expect in terms of orders at this stage.
Don't Virgin have a bar in their 747s? And their A340s, for that matter (don't know, never flown with them, just heard it "on the grapevine").
I do know that Singapore have a stand up lounge on their A340-500s, though. And targetted at economy pax as well. So popular, apparently, that business pax are joining their erstwhile colleagues in the back.
Not such a dumb concept after all....
I thought ANA had ordered the 7E7? It's not listed on Boeing orders and deliveries on their website. Anybody know what's going on? Have they ordered it or not? If not, the surely scores are 129 to nil (so far, and probably not for long).
747Focal, how many orders for the 747 did you guys have 6 months before first flight? It's before my time, I'm afraid, so I don't know what one should expect in terms of orders at this stage.
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Must admit I watched with some amuzement a docu on TV about the A380, showing the stand-up bar and dining tables comparable with a cruise ship.
Sadly most passengers just look at the ticket price, not the quality of the commodity they're buying, as AA have found out after a few years of "extra legroom for all".
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Stand up bars...
Ah ! the good old days when Gulf Air had one -precious wood and flowers and a dedicated hostie (remember the nicest looking uniform with tight trousers and a fitting tunic?)- on their Tristars.
They did it for years.
I would welcome the same -along with a similar uniform- any time.
And why not on the A-380?
Ah ! the good old days when Gulf Air had one -precious wood and flowers and a dedicated hostie (remember the nicest looking uniform with tight trousers and a fitting tunic?)- on their Tristars.
They did it for years.
I would welcome the same -along with a similar uniform- any time.
And why not on the A-380?
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411A Me too and there is little doubt that very quickly these facilities will be replaced by more seats. As for the spat between 747 v Airbus I am sure many of you will agree that it is vital for the business to have at least two airline producers whatever the outcome for the time being. Can we assume that in the fullness of time they will amalgamate.
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Toulouse, it depends.......please remember why Airbus was built!.
If you like it go for it. I have my point of view and I resided long
enough in CCF to have some insight view. For me it is still valid:
If it`s not a Boeing I`am not going. I am a guy of the old days
and the concept of the Boing fly by wire is the one I prefer. You
may be a Atari Kid and grown with a side stick. Mine is in the
middle and remains there. I never enjoyed the rides in the AB sim
because of the diffrent philosophy. Our company has orded A380
as well but I am not interested. I look foreward to the grow of
our B777 fleet. That secures me until I retire.
NG
If you like it go for it. I have my point of view and I resided long
enough in CCF to have some insight view. For me it is still valid:
If it`s not a Boeing I`am not going. I am a guy of the old days
and the concept of the Boing fly by wire is the one I prefer. You
may be a Atari Kid and grown with a side stick. Mine is in the
middle and remains there. I never enjoyed the rides in the AB sim
because of the diffrent philosophy. Our company has orded A380
as well but I am not interested. I look foreward to the grow of
our B777 fleet. That secures me until I retire.
NG
Do not want to continue Airbus vs Boeing argument but had to chuckle when I saw your comment "if its not a boeing i'm not going" and then your username "737 NG".
It is probably the worst built aircraft I have had the displeasure to fly, and it really drags down the good name of Boeing.
It is probably the worst built aircraft I have had the displeasure to fly, and it really drags down the good name of Boeing.
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B737NG... Enjoyed reading you're point of view. Glad to hear you prefer flying Boeing. And why not? If that's what you're used to, stick with it if you want and you can.
An Atari Kid?
Anyway, digressing on the "old" Airbus V. Boeing debate, and for any of you interested in the A380, I just saw an A340 taking off from Toulouse Airport this morning testing the new RR Trent 900 engines for the 380. Impressive seeing such large engines on the 340!
An Atari Kid?
Anyway, digressing on the "old" Airbus V. Boeing debate, and for any of you interested in the A380, I just saw an A340 taking off from Toulouse Airport this morning testing the new RR Trent 900 engines for the 380. Impressive seeing such large engines on the 340!
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Airbus has a bit to go yet to be compared to Boeing.
I guess the A380 will show the strength of Airbus as a manufacturer.
Boeing have accomplished alot more than Airbus and to think that the 747 was designed in the sixties and made such an impact on the commercial aviation industry and over 40 years later, Airbus are finally talking about an aircraft that can (possibly) rival the 747, Let's not forget, Airbus have hardly changed aviation as much as boeing or mcdonald douglas etc.
I admire Airbus, especially as a european for their innovation. I hope the 7E7 and the A380 are a huge success. They probably will as they will not be competing in the same market anyway.
But when Airbus HAVE accomplished or surpassed what Boeing have achieved, Then all the anti-boeing people can start bragging why there better than Boeing
I guess the A380 will show the strength of Airbus as a manufacturer.
Boeing have accomplished alot more than Airbus and to think that the 747 was designed in the sixties and made such an impact on the commercial aviation industry and over 40 years later, Airbus are finally talking about an aircraft that can (possibly) rival the 747, Let's not forget, Airbus have hardly changed aviation as much as boeing or mcdonald douglas etc.
I admire Airbus, especially as a european for their innovation. I hope the 7E7 and the A380 are a huge success. They probably will as they will not be competing in the same market anyway.
But when Airbus HAVE accomplished or surpassed what Boeing have achieved, Then all the anti-boeing people can start bragging why there better than Boeing
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Back to your favourite aviation history book,please.
1/-First wide body twin engined pax jet :the A-300
2/-First two-man crew concept on a large jet :the FFCC leading to the disappearance of the FE :the A-310 (Boeing reacted with the 767).
3/-First use of CRT's flight instruments:the A-310 again
4/-First use of electrical flight controls ,coupled with a side-stick controller :the A-320,then the 340,the 330 ...(Boeing answered 12 years later with the 777.)
There are probably a few more "firsts".in which you could include the use of advanced materials,cockpit commonality...etc...
As for bragging,you would notice that the pro boeing lobby is quite q lot more vocal than any other group on this forum.Un fortunately,facts and figures seem not to help them these days.
Sleep well
Let's not forget, Airbus have hardly changed aviation as much as boeing or mcdonald douglas etc.
Airbus has a bit to go yet to be compared to Boeing
1/-First wide body twin engined pax jet :the A-300
2/-First two-man crew concept on a large jet :the FFCC leading to the disappearance of the FE :the A-310 (Boeing reacted with the 767).
3/-First use of CRT's flight instruments:the A-310 again
4/-First use of electrical flight controls ,coupled with a side-stick controller :the A-320,then the 340,the 330 ...(Boeing answered 12 years later with the 777.)
There are probably a few more "firsts".in which you could include the use of advanced materials,cockpit commonality...etc...
As for bragging,you would notice that the pro boeing lobby is quite q lot more vocal than any other group on this forum.Un fortunately,facts and figures seem not to help them these days.
Sleep well
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I think the truth be known..... Airbus is still playing catch up eventually it will happen, but I think the Japenese will beat all of us eventually.
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I think the Japenese will beat your stupid a$$ first.
Anyway, if "facts" count for anything, I believe Airbus have already caught up with Boeing. More new aircraft delivered in 2003. More world airlines appear to be opting for Airbus aircraft at the moment.
From infor on current oders/delivereies of commercial aircraft, Boeing have 1.070 aircraft pending delivery while Airbus has 1.397 aircraft pending delivery. Total number of aircraft orederd is clearly still larger for Boeing yet the number of aircraft is closing in, with a difference of about 600 aircraft as of March 2004.
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From infor on current oders/delivereies of commercial aircraft, Boeing have 1.070 aircraft pending delivery while Airbus has 1.397 aircraft pending delivery. Total number of aircraft orederd is clearly still larger for Boeing yet the number of aircraft is closing in, with a difference of about 600 aircraft as of March 2004.