Questions about GIB
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Hi All -
Wonder if you could help with some questions about GIB? It's one place where I'm finding it hard to separate fact from fiction!..
(a) Is it true it's one of the few airports in the world where aircaft will use full thrust on take-off owing to the short length of the runway?
(b) Go-arounds and divertions to AGP are very common in GIB owing to the unusual nature on the winds. Is that correct?
(c) Pilots have to be specially trained to fly into GIB.
TIA for ur help,
ojs.
Wonder if you could help with some questions about GIB? It's one place where I'm finding it hard to separate fact from fiction!..
(a) Is it true it's one of the few airports in the world where aircaft will use full thrust on take-off owing to the short length of the runway?
(b) Go-arounds and divertions to AGP are very common in GIB owing to the unusual nature on the winds. Is that correct?
(c) Pilots have to be specially trained to fly into GIB.
TIA for ur help,
ojs.
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(a) Don't know as I only operated props out of Gib.
(b) True. Depending on the wind direction and strength (in the region of 12-15kts from certain directions if memory serves), no approaches are allowed due to the turbulence the rock will create. It is not unusual that the wind socks on either end of the runway are facing each other.
(c) Depending on the company you work for, but generally yes - maybe someone currently operating out of Gib will post a reply. At least a couple of approaches as an observer, then under supervision, some companies possibly Captains handling only (the approach itself is a lot of fun as well).
Happy flying,
des
(b) True. Depending on the wind direction and strength (in the region of 12-15kts from certain directions if memory serves), no approaches are allowed due to the turbulence the rock will create. It is not unusual that the wind socks on either end of the runway are facing each other.
(c) Depending on the company you work for, but generally yes - maybe someone currently operating out of Gib will post a reply. At least a couple of approaches as an observer, then under supervision, some companies possibly Captains handling only (the approach itself is a lot of fun as well).
Happy flying,
des
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(a) Is it true it's one of the few airports in the world where aircaft will use full thrust on take-off owing to the short length of the runway?
Not necessarily -- You can de-rate out of GIB if you have got the performance to do it. Usually means either a Flap 15 on the B737 or CONFIG 3 on the A320.
(b) Go-arounds and divertions to AGP are very common in GIB owing to the unusual nature on the winds. Is that correct?
GIB has strict wind limits which mainly affect RWY27 operations and that prevents the 'Have-a-go' types. In my mob you are allowed 2 attempts only then divert. You also need 5000m visibility and a 1000' cloudbase before you can even start an approach.
If you do have to divert you are not allowed to enter Spanish airspace due to political reasons. Therefore you can need to divert either to Tangier (Morocco) or Faro (Portugal). Then you file a flight plan to Malaga (AGP) from there. Then wait for the pax at AGP.(Not too bad now around 2hrs - with the new motorway)
(c) Pilots have to be specially trained to fly into GIB.
Both Captains and F/O's can land at GIB. Capt's are checked out prior to being allowed to operate with a line F/O. Not specific training for F/O's apart from written brief. Capt just need to make sure F/O lands before the road crossing otherwise Go Around !
Not necessarily -- You can de-rate out of GIB if you have got the performance to do it. Usually means either a Flap 15 on the B737 or CONFIG 3 on the A320.
(b) Go-arounds and divertions to AGP are very common in GIB owing to the unusual nature on the winds. Is that correct?
GIB has strict wind limits which mainly affect RWY27 operations and that prevents the 'Have-a-go' types. In my mob you are allowed 2 attempts only then divert. You also need 5000m visibility and a 1000' cloudbase before you can even start an approach.
If you do have to divert you are not allowed to enter Spanish airspace due to political reasons. Therefore you can need to divert either to Tangier (Morocco) or Faro (Portugal). Then you file a flight plan to Malaga (AGP) from there. Then wait for the pax at AGP.(Not too bad now around 2hrs - with the new motorway)
(c) Pilots have to be specially trained to fly into GIB.
Both Captains and F/O's can land at GIB. Capt's are checked out prior to being allowed to operate with a line F/O. Not specific training for F/O's apart from written brief. Capt just need to make sure F/O lands before the road crossing otherwise Go Around !
