That’s why you are acting butt hurted…

It’s all written in the Section 4 ANNEX A of the TSA. It states that the student will get a refund if they’re lacking aptitude. You won’t get a refund if you exceed certain conditions (stated in the contract) or if the student is lacking efforts.

You won't like this Duca I was an instructor at one of the first ATOs to introduce so called training protection/guarantees back in 2000. It's like most insurance policies full of get-out clauses to avoid paying out. Who gets to decide aptitude or effort a very fine line & you won't be making the decision. In all my time (over 20 years) at a couple of the major ATOs I can count on one hand the number of refunds given. It looks good on paper but different in reality as any student who appears to be a potential problem normally gets warned that their 'protection' will be revoked if they fail to reach certain standards, this was much more common than refunds.

I’ll ask further details about the method to evaluate the lack of aptitude or effort. However I didn’t understand what you meant with protection revocation.

Simple - you no longer have any refund protection in place.

I don’t know how it could happen. It’s written that First officer insurance is included in the contract and it doesn’t state about the possibility of revoking the insurance.

I can assure you it has happened, I suspect somewhere hidden in it will mention minimum performance requirements. Think about it for a minute no company is going to put itself at risk of a major financial loss because somebody isn't up to standard and all the aptitude tests in the world won't necessarily show that until they start. On a course of say 18 there used to be at least 1 or 2 students I often wondered how they ever passed 'selection', usually they failed several progress tests/exams before being re-coursed it is here that the 'protection' would be cancelled and they proceeded at their own financial risk.

Referring to your previous posts you need to make your mind up as to who to trust, somebody selling you an expensive dream or several pilots/instructors with years of real-world experience offering free advice.

What made you wonder how they have been able to pass the selection? In your experience what do you think are major indicators of a student who won’t make it?

1. They were obvious in the first week of ground school.
2. Always behind the course/class speed.
3. Didn't take very good notes (girls are always best at note taking) or were generally badly organised.
4. Even after several times explaining a topic in different ways (even with another instructor) still didn't get it.
5. Poor at maths, shouldn't need a calculator to work out 10% of 200. That's what the aptitude tests are supposed to sort out.
6. When several instructors covering the different subjects all noticed the same thing was real cause for concern.
7. Had the rabbit caught in the car headlight look.
8. Failed to put in the 110% effort & commitment required (including evening work).
9. Occasionally they failed to connect socially with other course students. Your course mates will often help each other out & also a key skill for later.
10. Didn't ask for extra assistance soon enough or failed to listen to advice.
11. Difficulty in being away from home for the first time.
12. Very occasionally a bad attitude.

I appreciate it can be a shock to the system and the first week might be difficult but if the above can't be sorted within a couple of weeks & certainly by the usual week 4 progress (of lack of) tests were red flags.

So if you’re going to fail it will probably be during ground school?

Not necessarily but it's usually the first part of the course and there is supposed to be (I am not convinced) a correlation between ground & flying pass/failure rates.

The flying is going to test other aspects such as co-ordination in handling & instrument flying skills & later on CRM. There are some who sail through ground school but just can't fly the aircraft to the required standards in the time allocated, this now starts to become expensive. Some even eventually realise they just don't like flying & it's not for them, one reason you should have at least one trial lesson before committing to an integrated course.

Wow, you’ll make an excellent addition to the aviation industry… a little humility will do you well

we had a meeting last week with EZY and CAE. To sum up they said lots of things without saying anything, still theres 3 to 4 months delay and no compensation. We got the news of 4 months delay in september and 4 months later it is still 4 months delay. Feels so sluggish from their side imagine you have 4 months to solve something or come up with a solution or atleast minimise the delay and all you can come up with "we are doing our best". Doubt that

What stage of training are you delayed at?

I think they’re delaying the core phase, flight phase.

Hi guys,

Just a little inside scoop on the EZY MPL. I’m at the end of phase 1, so this is still subject to change. For the core flight phase, CAE have now changed how they’re doing it. So the 2/3 courses ahead of me are now going to Spain for the core flight phase, which will massively reduce the hold pool waiting times in Phoenix. They are still sending my course, the 1 ahead, and the 1 behind to Phoenix, which they expect to have no or very minimal delay as a result of sending the few courses ahead to Spain.

The MPL itself, personally, is a great prospect and becoming a much more validated way into the right seat, just as the integrated ATPL did a few decades ago. The conditional offer is just that, conditional. You have to achieve the correct standard throughout the course, which is a completely understandable requirement, in my opinion. Someone mentioned on this forum (I can’t remember who), that the MPL is a huge risk if the airline goes under, which is completely correct, as shown by the Monarch and FlyBe MPL schemes. Being aware of the financials of the airline that you’re applying to is a vital bit of information to base your decision on (easyJet has very little risk of going under, but it’s never 0 risk, nothing ever is).

There is also a pilot liaison team who are in regular (minimum once a month) contact with each course, and are situated within the same building that we are doing the course in, and it’s heavily emphasised that you can go and chat to them whenever you like, especially if you’re having issues and want to directly talk to easyJet.

No course is zero risk, what happens if you finish the end of the integrated/modular course and you don’t get employed? It’s all about finding out the course that is the most right for you, and the appeal of the easyJet MPL seemed right for me.

If you would like any more information, my DMs are open. 😊

Hey thanks for the update, where are they sending you to in Spain? Madrid?

They’re trying to get Malaga EASA approved.

Nice spot, ok thanks for the response!

No problem, btw keep in mind that there’s Montpellier and Oxford between the “options”, actually it’s up to CAE’s discretion deciding where you are going to train unless you have some kind of problem with USA Visa or Family issues therefore you might need to be closer to home. In that case the core phase would be in Europe (Malaga most probably). At the same time CAE’s goal sending you to train Phoenix because of lower costs (for them not for you)

Those students coming to Malaga are up for a bad surprise. Aerodynamics operates out of LEAX, non controlled, Spanish only communications type of aerodrome. 2 flight schools and one aero club operating there and its a chaos to do any kind of circuits with 7-8 planes operating at the same time! “Maximum 4 planes in the circuit” they say but no control mechanism. The owners of the fields attitude: if you don’t like it, go away!

EasyJet are now hiring ATPLs directly from ATOs like Leading Edge. EasyJet was contractually bound to first hire from CAE MPLs, then CAE Integrated, then other ATOs. So, if EZY is hiring from other ATOs, it tells you how bad the training situation is at CAE. Even integrated ATPL is a clear step better than EZY MPL, as you can apply to any airline (including EZY if EZY is partnered with the ATO).

With the EZY MPL you will be offered line training and TR by ezy. And the fact that they are hiring doesn’t mean that cae’s situation is bad. It just means that they need to hire more than 200 pilots per year.

And if they don’t offer you line training, have delays due to lack of LTCs, have slower growth than anticipated - you’ll be left with a worthless MPL, all for the sake of saving £15k vs integrated + type rating or spending an additional £25k vs modular.

If they have slower growth in case of hiring they would be hiring MPLs first. And there’s a big turnover of FOs at ezy so it won’t be a problem.
Besides that the integrated costs €15k more

Hi guys , any of you done the stage 2 easyJet assessment? Do you know if you’re allowed a calculator for any of the tests, including maths and physics?

You’re not allowed.

Hello mate, starting the process to
apply for the scheme but can’t DM you as I haven’t posted enough. Any chance you could try to
DM me if you don’t mind answering some questions.

thank you!

For any of you who have done the stage 2 assessment, how did you find it. Were the questions okay and what sort of prep did you do?

Hi everyone,

I hope you're all doing well. I'm seeking some opinions on whether I should proceed with the MPL program at EasyJet or opt for a regular fATPL at a Portuguese flight school.
Is there anyone here who knows if the current classes are experiencing significant delays or issues with anything?

Thank you!

So far everything is on time. Apparently they even solved the delays in Phoenix and they are applying to get MALAGA EASA Approved for flight training.

No delays? You must be joking 🤣 as someone who is in Phoenix now I’m sorry to inform you that you have once again shown your gullibility and swallowed the CAE lies. The situation in Phoenix is worse than when cadets were returned to the U.K. to give them a chance to ‘fix’ the problems. More and more cadets are being sent from Brussels and Madrid with no instructors to teach them. We have sat in our US accommodation for months without a single flight or any update from CAE when we can expect to start training. As for Madrid the first batch of cadets were delayed and we will have to wait and see to determine if it has been successful or not.

Some of the U.K. cadets here in Phoenix were meant to induct with easyJet this month and they still haven’t even finished their core phase flight training, let alone the sims!

I see from previous posts someone has already warned you about spreading misinformation. What are your exact motivations for encouraging people so enthusiastically to part with their hard earned cash? CAE employee or naive 18 year old bank rolled by mum and dad?

Why is it always people like you that talk the most 🤦

Hi Johnny,

sent you a private message.

To give the people who are considering CAE as an option, I will give you one piece of advise, DON'T.

While I have to give them credit for the theory (which was relatively decent), the current CPL part of the course is an absolute nightmare for my class. The MPL part of my class (after a 3 month delay) is finally flying to Phoenix. However, the ATPL part (since we're a mixed class) is going to Montpellier. What I heard is absolutely crazy! Some of them, packed up, drove around 16 hours to Montpellier just to hear on the day of arrival that there's no training capacity there at the moment and that they have to go back home without any reimbursements for their hotel or gas :ouch:. They had been sending emails that whole week and NO ONE from CAE even bothered to reply to them or tell them what's going on until they were already there...

In Phoenix you have the same issue. My MPL part doesn't get to fly because CAE does not have the instructors to provide flight sessions so we're expecting to be in Phoenix for around 9 months (while we should be there for only 6). So that means we're getting an additional 3 month delay on top of the 3 we already had.

For the ATPL's that finished I heard that their MEIR phase in Montpellier apparently was also delayed by 4 months (making it a total of 6 months) because there were no instructors and the whole flight school that they subcontracted had to temporarily shut down operations and change management until they were able to begin with training again. We had some people coming to train for their last phase (APS MCC) and they reported to have been following the course for 34 months up until that point which is insaneeee.

So unless you're prepared to pay around €116,000 (excluding rent, gas, food, etc.) and do your ATPL for approximately 30 months, then I heavily recommend you to look for another flight school or MPL program!

The above take seems like the only correct one.

Why would you shell out integrated-level prices for a license that ties you to one airline for two years that doesn't have to hire you, and ties you to an ATO, when you can, if you insist, do an Integrated ATPL for a similar price, apply for any airline, and apply for easyJet?

Boom Operator Which Montpellier flight school closed down?

It depends, because doing an MPL for a reduced price is actually quite an appealing idea considering an ATPL would usually cost you around 30k-40k more. However, currently EasyJet is offering the MPL for €100k and then gives you a salary that is worth almost nothing. So I agree that doing an MPL that bounds you to an employer that overworks you for close to minimum wage is not a bright idea to do as a cadet.

But then again, other companies offer MPL's for much lower prices with higher initial salaries in which case it would be more beneficial to start there as you are "guaranteed" a job if you can pass the training nominally.

[ EasyJet is offering the MPL for €100k and then gives you a salary that is worth almost nothing./QUOTE]

Thanks for your valuable input... you're very well up to speed on the pro's and con's...
So how much is the almost minimum wage that easyJet pay to cadets after completing the MPL course?
Many thanks 👍

I emailed the recruitment team. The starting wage for an easyJet second officer is £49,000 annually.

How long after stage 2 assessments did you hear back?