Time Limit on modular?
 

Could anyone tell me... how long do you have to get the CPL + IR flying done after finishing the ground exams? Is there a time limit?

Can't seem to find much on the search.

I think you have 36 months to complete the CPL/IR training after the ATPL examinations. I can't say if the time starts when you complete the first exam, the last one or whatever...

From the last pass, I believe. Then it becomes 7 years from the last renewal, so if your IR lapses by 6 years you ahve to the buggers again :ouch:

depends really you should go to all of them and take a look around and choose which one you want to go to

None of those!

OK, so I used to work for a competitor of theirs, but to be honest when I chose I had perfectly good reasons for rejecting 2 of those. There are many other schools in the UK, several of them advertise here on PPRuNe. Why not broaden your choice?

Try Aeros in Gloucester or Bristol Flying Centre . Both good, dedicated modular schools. You will, I imagaine, get lots of replies giving good/bad comments on several schools. Your best bet is to make a shortlist, visit them all and come to your own conclusion. There are also numerous threads on this topic here.

Having been through the system the only advice I would give would be wary of very small schools whose financial stability could change quickly, or very large schools who also offer integrated courses.

This page of the CAA website contains a link to a pdf file with a list of all FTOs approved by the CAA. They are listed under different categories.

As I said, many of them advertise here so you can very quickly link to their websites. Just click on any advert that comes up for a school - good for PPRuNe too as it keeps their stats up for advertising revenue!

Don't worry about your English here. Work on it before your groundschool though - my old employer can put you in touch with a company near here that can help you. The groundschool itself will finally sort out any language problems! If it isn't good enough you won't pass all the exams and you'll have to resit until it is.

The Flight Centre at Wolverhampton Airport offers excellent commercial training. They have just got a new DA42 Twinstar and are taking delivery of a Arrow IV in the coming days, along with reconed PA28's in the spring.

Believe you can get them on 01384 221456 and website is www.hgfc.co.uk

I'm currently doing my commercial training with Aeros at Gloucestershire Airport and am very happy with them. Maximum of two students per instructor which means you get to fly everyday and to backseat your buddy's trip too which is very beneficial.

The only snag is the English weather!!

Jekz - look - there is no "best" school for modular training in the UK.

Different people have different requirements! What is the "best car"? The "best laptop"? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU NEED! Different schools offer different advantages.

Problem with the wannabes forum on PPruNe is, most people here, who consider themselves experts, have only seen a few schools first-hand and reckon where they did the training must be the best school, and you read crap like the training there was "second to none" and soforth. It's rubbish, because they have no way of actually comparing all the different schools in-depth and first-hand. Even if you've done modular training at three different schools, you can't make those statements with authority.

As a previous post said, get the list of approved FTOs from the CAA web site, then have a look at the individual schools and ring up the ones that appeal to you for more information. THEN, when you have a shortlist, you can consider asking about those on this forum.

Good luck,

KK

I would highly recommend Aeros at Gloucester Airport!!

I completed my CPL/IR a couple of years ago, good professional setup, good approachable instructors and the a/c are very well equipped.

Check these guys out before you commit any money to your training.

I believe Aeros to be a very good school for modular training but as has been pointed out the good old English weather is a draw back.

If you're looking to do the UK CPL/IR it might be worth looking into FTE's modular course. Good value for money, good training and V good weather.

do not go in a school asking for maximum perfection.

perfection= more money= stress = check rides failure.

Also take a very serious look at PAT at Bournemouth..superb.
www.pat.uk.com

Pat
 

I remember seen a very positive thread about PAT in Bournemouth, for some unknown reason it seems to have disappeared, but as JB007 PAT are worth a serious look especially as in the Bournemouth area there are only two worth while schools going to (BCFT/PAT), EPTA as someone pointed out recentley would have problems organising a good drinking session in a brewery!!!

Financing the Modular route
 

Hi, I am looking into the integrated vs modular debate and it strikes me that it would be a lot easier to secure a bank loan when doing an integrated course than when doing a modular one.

So my question is, how do most people choosing the modular route finance it? I know some will already have jobs and savings, but as a soon-to-graduate student I do not.

Is it possible to get loans for the modular route and if so would they cover most or all of it?

If they don't I suppose my best option would be an integrated course with a loan, or perhaps something like the CTC bond scheme.

Any advice will be much appreciated.

Well I think you answered the question yourself, you'll have to get a job and work for a few years to fund some of the training. Once you have had a few years in industry you'll build up the credit rating to obtain the loans for completion of training.
Remember you can do a ppl at weekends, then ATPL theory by distance learning while still remaining in employment.
You imply that you are a graduate, therefore if you have done a decent degree you should be able to get a job that in three years could raise the money to do a PPL and the ATPL theory.
Then you should only need to give up work and take a loan out for the CPL, ME IR (which can be completed in three to four months). With a good credit rating you should be able to get a personal loan with a three month deferment on the payments. Consequently, if you have a few years experience in industry it will give you a job to go back to after the training to pay back the loans/ raise the money for an instructors rating.
In a nutshell that is how I funded the training.

With correct planning you could in three years have a frozen ATPL and only about 20000, pounds of debt via the modular route.

Getting a large loan doing an integrated course; if you are one of the lucky ones you may get a job at low hours, otherwise you will have a 65000 debt, no work experience; you will be trying to pay back a 65000 loan on minimum wage. Normally banks backing integrated courses may offer the loan with a 7-10 year pay back period, calculate the interest charge in this time and you will see that it is significantly more than the 65000 you initially needed to borrow.

Modular course CPL/IR & job
 

hello everybody!

Do you think that is possible getting Job (bar, pub...) during the course ?

How many hours by week there are for the training ?

many thanks!

sam :)

I worked half days then studied/flew the other half when I was doing my exams and CPL (modular). Didn't find it a problem, just make sure work doesn't get in the way of training.

The Modular Course
 

Hi,

I have a JAA PPL and would like to get the JAA ATPL with CPL/IR.

How am I to go for it via the modular route? what comes first, second etc?


Thanks,
PPL152

Try the search function!

OR, the READ BEFORE YOU POST A QUESTION thread located right at the top.

You should first do your 14 ATPL theory subjects either fulltime or distance learning.Once having passed them and having 150 hours,of which a 100 as PIC and having completed your x-country qualifying flight,your next step would be to get your CPL preferably with a multi engine rating.
You will then have to do your instrument rating and an MCC course .
Regards

Anyone can thus, suggest a renowned school for modular courses?

CABAIR Modular through OFT at Orlando Florida or Sebastian Florida looks like a good starting point

I have done all my anti PPL training at Oxford and have no problem in recommending them.Like any school its got its -ve's & +ve's.However if i had to do it all over again(if i was a Masochist:\ ) i would go there again.

Just so we don't incur the wrath of the moderator (ello scroggs), take a look at the following handy reference guide he spent some time producing

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649

I see you are in Malta? The first thing you should so is get a JAR CLass 1 medical and pass it. Then the ATPL theory comes next. What to do , i.e. full-time vs distance learning, depends on your circumstances. Will go overseas and study full-time, or stay at home and distance-learn?

something i made for my website, load it and zoom in: http://www.wbryce.co.uk/ATPL.jpg - This should give the general idea....note that FI rating isn't needed but there to show the route im taking! :-)

Nice one brycey :ok:

Modular
 

When going modular is it better to complete all training with one provider a la Waypoint and Pathfinder or are there any downsides to picking and choosing along the way?

I would quite like to do the Bristol GS but obviously that wouldn't fit in with the structured programmes where theory is included and I think they [OAT/CCAT] expect payment per module up front which is quite a sum and I believe I'll be able to complete my training quicker by paying as I go.

Any views appreciated.

I suggest you read the pilot shortage thread on the "interviews, jobs and sponsorship" thread. Under no circumstances should you aspire to having a training record that is fragmented over many training providers, as it is key to gaining employement that you have one, easily-determined training record with a provider with a strong reputation on producing a quality end product.

My advice is to do training with one provider, and ensure that you go through the training at a speed that demonstrates that you can learn under pressure.

Piffle,
Lucifer are you fishing?
Do your training where it suits you and do not believe the spin, Bristol GS are very good, I know that first hand. My classmates now fly for BA, Easy and many others.
Gaz

At the BALPA conference recently, I spoke to Ian Cheese, who I think is the aircrew manager for Flybe, and he stated that he looked for no more than 2 different training providers in his presentation, although I had three (one for my PPL, another for the ATPL groundstudies and one for the CPL/IR/MEP) he was OK with that too - he himself went to the mighty BGS for his ATPL groundstudies.

I already had a ppl and did hours on my own. Then one provider for ATPL distance learning, and a single provider for CPL / IR / ME. I would suggest that you look at least at a single provider for the post hour building flight training (I.e CPL / IR and MEP), if for no other reason than its alot less hassle and you get a continuity of training. It is also alot easier to plan and is likely to be completed alot quicker.

No Gaz - your experience is however one of experienced ex-AAC crew, which is hardly the same as ab-initio.

BGS for example, and then flying at one school only for everything above PPL - fine, but don't start using multiple flying training providers for every element of CPL, IR, ME etc.

Lucifer,
you're going to have to demote some of your imps a few levels for duff gen,
I was not or ever have been AAC, or experienced military aircrew for that matter, I was effectively an ab-initio fATPL when I got got employed.
Don't get me wrong I am not necessarily advocating modular over integrated, horses for courses but a lot of mis-information is out there.
Gaz

Apologies, I browsed your past posts, and that was what it implied. I obviously mis-read something.

so are we saying that ATPL distance learning at say BGS, CPL done overseas at fully approved CAA/JAR provider because weather allows it to be completed in 4 weeks, and then IR and MEP at another school equals no chance of a job?.:bored:

It means it makes it extremely hard.

Read this: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=244158