watch out for Goldwings Flight Academy from Poland
 

Hello Board,

I am writing this to warn everyone about the scandalous treatment I have got during and after my training with Goldwings Flight Academy in Poland. FTOs based here use to have good reputation, the economical conditions are favorable, weather is acceptable etc. However not all schools are the same.

Goldwings FA is based on EPBC / Babice airfield pretty much in the city limits of Warsaw - the capital city of Poland. It is run by Arkadiusz Jesionek, who is a Head of Training there, together with his spouse Malgorzata Goralska (Head of Ground Administration and Head of Ground Traning).

I have done my PPL and ATPL theory through this school. All started with signing a standard PPL contract, like everywhere else in EU. The agreement included 5hrs of training on c172 and the rest was supposed to be done on the c152. My training finished successfully with 63hrs TT. Obviously, I have been charged for the additional hours, but there haven't been any flights done on the c172. Finally, after my multiple asking for any kind of correction to the invoice I was given a reply from the HoT himself that there was nothing to correct and that the case is over now.

The FTO's bureau is disorganized and the guy running it has been personally booking my training slots every time. Never have I had a chance to verify the roster for the upcoming week or to look back and see former dates. Finally I have had my student e-account set up about a year later, when it was needed for me to book my refreshment flight. BTW, that flight has not taken place anyway, as the instructor responsible for it (Mrs Goralska) left the school earlier that day without informing her own employees about the open slot. I have basically traveled on Friday afternoon to the airfield just to hear from the staff that "she has left and is not coming back any more".

Another sample from the PPL training (there are more, believe me) - my instructor and I have been waiting for the plane returning from a solo flight. All right, the plane got back, all checks and paperwork done, we start up, taxi to the holding point, do the ignition checks and the engine is running rough. After several attempts we had to head back, the reason - fouled spark plugs. Plane will be ready on the following morning. About half an hour later the Head of Training has been joking, suggesting publicly my wrong handling of the engine during taxiing.

My student folder, including the training roster and flight records has never been shown to me. After ending my training I have asked for accessing it to log down my own flights. The folder became "temporarily unavailable" and remained like that until today. The newest explanation I've got from the HoT is - "we do not feel obliged to grant you access to your folder Sir after the completion of your training".


ATPL Theory
This course was starting at the end of the same year. We were supposed to receive the Bristol GS DVDs after wiring the money. That almost worked out :) after payment I was told to wait - the school did not have the materials in stock although they have been promising something else before. Finally, after getting them, it turned out the materials couldn't be shipped with a tracked delivery. It didn't matter, if you're leaving abroad or in the next town down the road, they just could not. The reason - the staff does not have time to visit the drop off shop. The only possibility was to come and pick it up by yourself. Eventually I've managed to organize my friends leaving in Warsaw to come over and do that for me and even that has been coldly agreed to.

After completing the brush-up course we have been handed out a list of essay topics, after which our exam clearances would have been issued. The list came up with a delay, but checking of the essay works took two months more! Finally, after 75 days from the brush up ending I was cleared for my exams with the FAA.


If you're ever considering a school in Poland, I recommend to think twice before ending in my shoes. Poland is a great area for training and there are at least several of good training centres there, but Goldwings Flight Academy definately doesn't count amongst them!

Maybe this is the start of an awful thread like the Ventum Air one?...

EPWW Thanks for the info, apparently Eastern Europe is the worst place to do your flight training...

I think the moral of this story is that you fully research the ATO before you part with your hard earned cash. You speak to previous customers, and most importantly you visit all those ATOs on your short list.

Just looking at their fleet, a handful of SEP, and only ONE MEP. I think this might tell you that there is no redundancy if the Seneca goes tech?

I just wonder how many full time staff members they have.

So the attraction to the unsuspecting inexperienced customer, is the smooth sales patter, and an attractive price.

As for not being able to see your training records, I am having difficulty "joining up the dots".........

My friend had similar experience with Goldwings and he didn't continue his training there. He immediately left the school after he got his PPL. They have become same as ventum air. They only care about taking your money and their flight training is definitely not professional

I must agree with above, avoid this place. They seem really attractive and promising at the beginning, but don't get fooled, been there done that.

Yeah... for sure blame half of the continent for one school.....

Sounds a tad bit racist too.. The same argument was used against Spanish schools. Yet the airlines have no issue hiring Pilots trained at Eastern European or Spanish schools..

We should all train in the UK, huh?:hmm:

Goldwing waste of money and time
 

I don`t recommend this flight academy to anyone. Just a waste of time. Instructor did not teach properly, wanted to benefit my money. Instructor also falsified my lesson information in school training log website. As soon as I informed school management about problems in my training, I was kicked out from the school training log website. And after that the school management was not available for contact. After termination of contract, I did not get my certificate of flied hours and the right amount of money back.

I will not comment upon what the thread starter have written (I was not there in 2016 and the fleet is much bigger today, planes are waiting for students at least SEPs) other than the school got a free atmosphere (maybe very stiff people will not like it) and joking is common and never meant in bad faith. I have been at the school since January 2018 and I have never seen anyone being unhappy except for one foreign student who probably expected to finish the PPL(A) course within 45 mandatory hours and probably did not understand it depends on how quickly the student can learn to fly. The student was angry because the school did not let him fly solo cross country when having to land on a difficult grass runway (students and hour builders could go for 5 days to Kikity when airspace above EPBC was closed, there are also some trips there for those who wish to learn more difficult landings etc.) and that the instructor took over the controls during the landing. He got actually lessons with the best instructor (in my opinion) who lets you do almost every possible mistake just not crash the aircraft and I did actually happen to see it (I was going on a trip with AT3 to experience the new aircraft) from the "holding point" that the plane was almost in the flare far to the left outside of the runway when the instructor had to take over.

Other than the case described above I have not met unsatisfied students at Goldwings, only some frustrated ones who did not put an effort into learning the theory. Since there is a theory check both before first solo traffic pattern and before first solo cross country flight but I believe everyone I met understood that knowing the emergency procedures or other theory relevant to practical flying is for their own benefit and safety. I also have to add I did not meet absolutely every student at the school but everyone get to hear about it if someone was really unsatisfied and not just frustrated about being asked some hard but relevant questions.

As for the flight training it is up to everyone how fast he/she can progress and EPBC got an extended traffic pattern that takes 9 minutes to complete and it is a well known fact, so when requiring more flight training it is because of individual progress and for most people (including me when I was doing my PPL(A) ) learning to land is what takes most extra time beyond the mandatory 45 hours. The instructors have absolutely no personal interest in saying someone makes mistakes and notes in the system are for the other instructors to know what the student need to work more with. It is also possible to change instructors if someone do not like a particular instructor and no reason have to be given for the first change. The instructor can not say that the student fly well if it is not the case because before the solo flight another instructor have to perform an exam before the solo flight and he will not pass a student who might crash the plane it is the instructors responsibility and no one is taking a risk because someone is in a hurry and do not wish to use more time if he/she need it.

Goldwings Flight Academy is a school that require certain theoretical knowledge that require from the student to spend time learning, it also does not take chances with safety so people have to learn to fly before they can fly solo and they have to pass one exercise before they can move to more demanding exercises. It is for the benefit of the student and of course there have been students who learned extremely quickly and finished inside the mandatory 45 hours, one even did his whole PPL(A) training and passed the CAA exam in one month recently in March. It is up to the student how fast he/she learns to fly. No instructor can be a magician making the student learn quicker than the student can learn, or can magically make the student learn for example the procedures, communication or the symbols on the map if the student do not memorize them on his/her own. The instructor can explain and will explain but the student have to memorize him/herself.

Goldwings Warsaw - Feedback
 

Hello aviators, is there anyone recently completed the cpl ir mep with this flight school ? Any feedback is really appreciated

I am a student at this school since January 2018 on the 0-ATPL+FI program, I have done my PPL(A), hour building and currently I am passing my ATPL(A) exams aiming to get done in June. So I can not tell you much about the MEP(L)+IR/ME+CPL(A) program other than there is Piper III Seneca and DA-42 available for the MEP part (you are free too choose) and that the instructors are very good almost all of them airline pilots and even airline captains instructing in their free time. The sim for IR and pre MEP(L) training is DA-42 FNTP II. For the planned MCC/JOC there is Airbus 320 sim. For the CPL(A) SEP you have Cessna 172s and AT-3s available and you are free to choose which aircraft you prefer. The AT-3 got glass cockpit, the Cessnas have not but according to me its bigger more comfortable and more easy/stable to fly. There is no waiting time on SEP as for MEP there may sometimes be short waiting times when the DA-42 is at maintenance (no longer than a week).

Other than that the school got a very free and friendly atmosphere and people like to joke etc. so you have to see if you like it (it may not be perfect for very "stiff" persons). Also the school require certain level of theory knowledge from the students so you have to do your homework and learn what you need to learn if you do not learn your theory your lesson might even be postponed (happens very seldom only if someone does not have a clue about what is going to be done in the exercise). The same goes for flying if you wish to get done inside the mandatory time given by CAA you need a steep learning curve. The instructors are very helpful in explaining anything you wish but it is up to you how fast you progress the school require a certain level of performance and it is not being lowered because someone wish to be done quickly or do not wish to redo a failed exercise. You are also free to once change the instructor without giving any reason for it.

Thanks KT1988 for the report.

Any CPL ME IR students on here please?

cheers,
j

@inabw: Did you send a question to the school and they did not answer? That is strange, try writing to Goldwings Flight Academy on facebook there they tend to answer quickly (unless the people in administration are sick or on holiday but then normally someone else perform their task) if not feel free to write to me on facebook (Krzysztof Thor) and I will give you direct contact to the CFI and owner of the school.

How many hours per day can you fly in average when weather is OK? Is there any issue with instructor and airplane availability for the ME-IR part?

Hello
Everybody who consider to become Goldwings student should check out all the websites about this school. There is a lot of bad feedback about this school. Check also how this fellow KT1988 has been posting on this site, 124 times. Goldwings needs badly new students, so they probably pay this fellow to advertise their school. Most probably he is related to the director of the Goldwings academy.

Hmm Deja vu.

@fly8ma: I did only answer here because the person writing 22.05.2019 had a nick just like the name of a real student. Those on google reviews are names of people who have never ever been at the school, so its so obvious those feedback is from other schools competing about students, so no one cares to reply. And your nick, having just 1 post on the forum + the fact I can not remember any student from Bulgaria nor see any in flightlogger makes me think it is another opinion of an another flight school and not someone who have actually visited the school.

Also instead of telling others to do so do check my posts yourself, then you will see that most of them are a discussion about self employment vs. employment + questions about APS MCC programs. And just to clarify I am not related to anyone at Goldwings, and I am not employed or self employed there (in the future I will be an instructor). But building on my own experience at the school I believe in the school so I decided to join the success in October 2018. And as I wrote before I do own a Cessna 172 that fly for the school and it is no secret I write about it openly. And if you think about it then you might guess I decided to do it because the school was very good and I believe in its future and not because something was bad.

Reason persons use pseudonym is that, putting real name one gets revenge from the school and the persons who are financially related to Goldwings. Just like this fellow KT1988.

I sent them an email requesting some details about their MCC course and no reply at all..

@Jolax: Try writing to the school on facebook there they are replying frequently.

@fly8ma: The reason is those are not real persons but other schools trying to compete to get more students themselves. A real not satisfied student (sadly people have to put effort into their own learning) just as you saw in this thread had no problem signing with own name..... every student at Goldwings can express his/hers opinion. The only ones who do not sign with their names are those who never even visited the school most probably other schools believing in this old fashioned mud throwing. And of course not every other school does this just some of them and they managed on the Polish forum the feat that every school got mud thrown at it except for Bartolini because they are full so no point in mud throwing.

Your school will not get better because you throw mud at other schools if you lack students then try improving yours instead of throwing mud at others. And real students can sign with their names as you saw in this thread....

I wasted all the money I used in this school, because they didn´t give me certification of flown hours. And I have asked for it many times.

I can´t transfer my flight hours without certificate, which I flew at Goldwings, to other flight school. Do you want to experience the same?

Always visit any establishment before any training course.
Spend at least a day talking to the staff and just as importantly the customers (students).

Any reputable ATO will actively encourage you to speak with the customers as they are entirely confident about the product they are supplying.

If their attitude is similar to visiting North Korea then avoid it like the plague.......

@parkfell: And that is why I encourage people to visit Goldwings Flight Academy or any other school in Poland personally instead of reading google reviews made by other schools with "pseudonyms". At Goldwings HQ recently anyone will meet a lot of students because some students rent rooms at the HQ for the time of their training. Plus they will meet a lot of students and instructors in the briefing room.

Another piece of advice, don't believe anything they promise you.
Regarding Google reviews, they are very unreliable, also the good ones.
It seems many posting on these forums, do have a certain amount of self-interest in various schools /FTO's, so take any advice given here with a pinch of salt.
Every school will try to sell you their courses, never forget this. They are a business trying to capture your money.

A couple of the biggest lies around for all flight schools is the myth of "pilot shortage" There is NO pilot shortage of inexperienced 200 - 400 hours pilots.

FTOs are very good at creating cycles of spin, that makes people part with more money than they need, so they can get that first job. The flight schools are similar Used Car sales men, they will say whatever it takes to make you spend your money with them.
For wannabe pilots it's a minefield of BS out there.
Remember when you have spent your money, it's not their problem anymore. Many promise more than they can keep, but when you discover this it's already to late.

The airlines do check training records, and they do care where you have trained. This might sound unfair, but this is based on experience where they see some schools don't meet the same training standards for the pilots they train as others.
So always be aware where you train, the cheapest is not always the best, equally as the most expensive does not guarantee you anything either.

@2unlimited: There is no pilot shortage still if you work for it you get to the airlines, all 3 of my instructors got an airline job within 1 year from when they were done with their training and they did not even need to do the APS MCC. Its a totally different market depending on where you wish to work. Its all up to the persons level of performance, probably everyone who do an APS MCC will be called by Ryanair for example if doing their official APS MCC program.... so when you get the chance its up to you. The difference between now and past time is that now you actually get the chance and some airlines call you (I know this for real by talking with my instructors) what you do with your chance is up to you. In the past if you did not even get a call then where could you prove what you can? So this is the big difference.

What did surprise me was that people willingly put like 2x the amount necessary to complete their training in other nations than Poland and afterwards make a an eternally long thread about how few aircraft are available and with real student names too.... and then I see that aircraft are waiting for students in Poland.... and sadly some schools in Poland are 'helping" themselves by creating a mud throwing competition that hurt the opinion about the whole nation for no reason..... That is why so many "pseudonyms" bomb google reviews of almost every Polish school except the one that is already full.

People should visit the schools, not only Goldwings that I am student at, visit also the other ones in Poland and see yourself the reality and what suits you best. Then you will notice at once that anonymous google reviews are mud throwing b*****it.

@LauraTahvanainen01: First of all you should write down the hours you did as part of PPL(A) training in your logbook. And the school will for sure write a confirmation for you that you did those hours at the school. Oh and when at another flight school I hope you will write an honest opinion about your new instructors there. Because from what I heard most of your training was done with the very best instructor (in my opinion) at the school and students are actually waiting to get this instructor because he got a passion for instructing, he does let the student make mistakes to learn from them, he does encourage the student to not give up and try harder plus he is never ever angry at the student no matter how hard the student is failing. I wish to get this instructor for the SEP part of my CPL(A) training and my FI(A) training. Some students wish to fly only with this instructor..... So I do really, really hope you will tell us your experience at another flight school.

Dear All. I am one of the above instructors, looking for the best possible training of Miss Laura. I am also experienced instructor and airline pilot performing First Officer duty. I am fully disappointed and disagree with Miss Laura's feedback. In my opinion she was one of the quickest growing student, having typical problems but nicely correcting everything and making significant progress. Due to that we decided to give Miss Laura more complex exercises giving her a chance to have more experience and knowledge, leading quick and efficient training. Unfortunately, Miss Laura did not recognize it and started blaming me as her instructor and our organisation. Without any reasons, knowlage and experience, she wants to prove that my or our way of her training was wrong, and it gave her a loss. I.e. According to the training program, she got an exercise during that, she could fly to different airport which is popular as PPL(A) exam airport. Many other students would like to have this kind of bonus on this stage of training. Again, it was significant disappointment for all of us, especially when we wanted to give even more to young and perspective student. I would like to wish Miss Laura all the best.

I don't believe in spending lots of money on a APS MCC, for reasons I have explained on another thread. Not going to repeat it here.

As for Ryanair, generally everybody who applies gets a chance, I never heard anyone applying for Ryanair not getting an interview at some stage. As a first job, they are ok, after not so much in my opinion.

I would hope a FTO have more than 1 good instructor to rely on.
I would say one general advice though, never agree to put all the money up front, pay in stages as you progress. This to ensure you do get trough the different parts in a timely manner, and if you later discover you are not happy with the FTO, you can leave at any time. Never pay large amounts up front for a full course.
I have seen guys get burnt with this before when they paid for a TR course up front, and during their training the company went bankrupt.

@2unlimited: I saw what you wrote in APS MCC thread but I still do believe it cannot hurt to get it done. And if you look at the Ryanair topic some people are waiting for months and do not get the call (in Poland salary wise its the best you can get and the 164,5 per blockhour for captains is real I got it confirmed).... Still what I experienced at my school is that people get multiple chances at different airlines today so its the big difference, today you get a chance and if you do it well you get the job. 5 years ago you had almost to like pay2fly to get a chance at a job, or as one instructor who now fly for Ryanair for example fly AN-2 some years before getting an interview with an airline.

As for Goldwings Flight Academy there are many good instructors who got both time to explain everything outside of the flying blockhour and who are also very patient, some with extraordinary great flying skill. Its only that the instructor who wrote above in this topic is just totally extraordinary and in my opinion above what is considered a very good instructor. Borys is just the most perfect instructor you can imagine in everything you can expect from an instructor especially when it comes to mentally building student confidence, almost all instructors of course let the student learn from his/hers mistake and do not take control before it is really necessary but not everyone got that pedagogical talent to help the student learn from the mistake and quickly improve. That is why I could not believe my own eyes, when I saw someone who actually was at the school being not satisfied after getting Borys as instructor, and I do also wish all the best to Laura. But I hope she will tell us on the forum about how satisfied she will be with instructors wherever she choose to go to flight school. Because I am pretty sure there are not very many so exceptionally good instructors as Borys all around the world.

If you want to waste your money, and money is no object, than sure APS MCC is helpful to a certain degree. But I don't believe it increases your chances to get a job that much, just that you like to part with more money than you have to.
In 2010 - 2012 the average time from you applied with Ryanair to you used to get confirmation of an interview was around 1 - 3 months. But there would be around 2000 - 5000 people who applied, so most got rejected. And that time you also had to pay for the interview with RYR, I am not sure if they still do this now.
But paying £6000 - 8000 for some APS course, vow.... I am lost for words of how newbies are being exploited.
It's good that Ryanair still have sheep ready to come to their muck, but each to their own.
You have many years to go before you become a Captain with RYR, and by the time you arrive at that stage, you will most likely have a different view of them.

I am curious who have made you believe you will get so many airline interviews when you are ready with your 200 hours SEP?
I know one guy with couple of thousands hours on jet, ATPL score average 97%, already 700 hours PIC, and still waiting for a full interview. As I said, FTO's are very good to tell you the airlines will be lined up to interview when you are finish, reality however can change very quickly in short time in this industry. All it takes is major economic downturn, NAS or another big airline to go bankrupt, and life for newbies becomes a nightmare for many years ahead.

Personally I am less optimistic for the next 2 - 3 years ahead, as there might be some big casualties soon in the business.

P2F I would avoid as the plague, 3 guys I know 3-4 years ago, paid 65.000 Euros to an East European FTO, to include TR + 500 hours on type, shortly after TR, the company went bankrupt, but still pocketed 195.000 Euros from these 3 guys, criminal. That's why never pay any FTO up front, for more than the course you currently doing.

@2unlitmited: Everything that increase the chance of getting an airline job is good. As for the interviews it was not the flight school who talked about it, when I was choosing a school I actually picked Goldwings because I felt the CFI (who is also the owner) was most honest and realistic. What I know about getting to the interview is from my instructors and other students who finished their training. And since you are telling me everyone get Ryanair interview (or call at least) I can tell you that not everyone do get the call but from what I know every instructor got chances at LOT Polish Airlines, Wizz Air, Sprint Air, Enter Air.... And every instructor who was teaching me got a job before 1 year passed from when they had all the necessary licenses.

But if someone has an attitude like "Ryanair is bad" and that is what I can almost read from your post.... then chances are slim the CV got sent to less known airlines who pay less, and a lot also depend on where someone wish to be based I believe. Maybe airlines like Ryanair got a good enough HR to find out who is thinking like you "good for a first job" and they somehow manage to sort out many of those persons who do not wish to stay and give their best effort for the company.

What exactly does "most honest and realistic" mean?
If I am training, I want a company that can deliver a high quality training, and I would prefer someone who have a good track record of this. Everybody seems "honest" until their business does not have enough money, and they declare bankruptcy and go away to Bahamas with your money.
Most FTO's don't even own offices, aircraft or sims, they often lease them.
You might sign on to a program where they tell you they will give you an FI job, however if business is bad, what job can they offer you? Promises are worth very little in this industry.

As for RYR when I applied myself, I did get interview, but I got offered something else that I felt was better, and I never regretted this, however I have met plenty of ex RYR pilots telling me how relieved they are to have finally left RYR. However I have no issues admitting it's a good first job to gain experience, however eventually everybody grows tired of the RYR way of being treated.

As for spending nearly 10.000 Euros on APS MCC course, is fine if you have the spare cash to throw away, I am just telling all the others who don't have this money, don't sweat it, you will be fine. You will get interviews without spending this money, rather invest in a few Sim sessions targeting the actual assessment you will have when that time comes.

Than again what do I know, rather listen to people from FTO's on here trying to flog you their FTO's and courses, that might get you an airline interview. It's not like I havent already been trough this whole process the last 10 years.

I was lucky I got someone with years of experience to mentor me, and prepare me for the step up from having a CPL/IR to being ready for an airline. And it was nothing that I learned from an MCC or JOC.

@2unlimited: For me it meant no marketing and whatever is being asked the answer was not like : "yes everyone get to the airline", "everything is perfect, you can fly whole PPL(A) in 2 weeks" and stuff like that. I did not have a feeling of marketing but a more honest normal conversation. As for the rest of the school it have existed in over 10 years and through the big crisis (without problems) and I do happen to know the planes and sims are owned by the school except for one investment (my plane). And I decided to do it because I saw how good the school worked, if I did not think so I would never ever invest in it because why? As for "track record" feel free to check on the facebook page how many pilots trained in Goldwings got to the airlines, you can actually write to them too and ask. As for the quality of training, well as you can see in the sporadic real complaints (not those anonymous from other schools and a fired instructor) they are about the school demanding a high level of flying and theoretical knowledge to be obtained by the students. And that in most cases require more time than standard 45 hours for PPL(A) for example (some did it in the mandatory hours).

As for the APS MCC it is both to learn on a Boeing 737 sim (and they are actually targeting the assessment there) and get a shortcut to get the Ryanair call (as I told you not everyone got the call, but everyone got some assessment some even more than one at the other airlines) plus I will do of course train extra with Sim sessions to be even better. Flying is always about improving, so it will definitely not harm to do well in the SIM. And it will also probably not harm if the HR see I believe in their company and wish to do my best effort for it, instead of someone who come there thinking (its a good first job). And the HR know probably what other airlines with bases in Poland pay so they believe Polish pilots will stay.

Oh and there is no APS MCC at my school so the part about "flogging someone into their courses" its better to write it in the APS MCC topic.

@parkfell: Because I do not like the mud throwing contest between schools in Poland making the whole nation suffer and not helping anyone. And as I said openly and honestly I invested in my own Cessna 172 so of course it is also in my interest that the school will grow it will open the possibility for further investments and I believe in the school because it is very good. I would not have invested if I did not believe the school is very good.

As for my English well I am not good at grammar so I do not know what you mean by "c/s" and Google does not help.

I decided to write in topics where people ask about Goldwings so customers can also get some real info and visit the schools themselves instead of thinking everything must be bad in Poland if they watch the anonymous school vs school mud throwing contest in Google.

I am a current MEP/IR/CPL of this school and I can recommend visiting them. I finished my NVFR and MEP and waiting for IR/CPL training approvals from CAA. The school helped me a lot during my first stage and I assume the rest will be better.

So I can see Goldwings are connected to a P2F company Fly Nordica. I am not about bashing anyone regardless from where they come from, except if they run these Pay2Fly programs or work with Pay2Fly companies, then they deserve everything they get.

Very cagey in the description of the "job". I would be very curious to see what the "free" training contract with Nordica would look like.
Apparently EagleJet are using Nordica also, enough said. Garbage.

Let it be a warning, when 3 guys I met few years ago, lost 195.000 Euros to another Eastern European company, who was running a P2F program, and declared themselves bankrupt before the 3 guys got to fly one single hour P2F. Obviously the owners had left the country going on holiday, as their Limited Company went bankrupt. Not surprisingly, there was no funds left in the company as they was dissolved.

@2unlimited: Goldwings cooperation with Nordica have not even started yet and it will of course be a normal program just with an extra possibility to get an airline job. Same price same licenses as on the normal 0-ATPL program. Its an opportunity for students who pass Nordica assessment to continue the program with Nordica guidelines and in the end get a job there (no extra payment, not even for typerating I believe). A PAID job by Nordica. No paying just the normal cost of 0-ATPL program without an airline, so this is a "for free extra chance" A BONUS. And the program have not even started yet.

With your way of thinking it would be bad if Ryanair choose a school from which they wish to assess the students. Its Nordica who will pay the qualified pilots to fly for them not the other way around. And Goldwings are just training pilots up to the full IR/ME CPL(A) + for those who wish FI(A).

I do not know any EagleJet neither do Goldwings have any connection to it or probably have also not heard about it, so stop spreading misinformation like those "haters" who did not even visit the school, you have beaten those haters you did not even read what it was about and shouted that it is pay2fly while its an ordinary for free chance for students who already got their 0-ATPL program so its a bonus to have a chance to secure an airline job for those who wish to try. No extra cost.

You are just putting misleading information like people who never ever visited the school, you did not even read what the planned cooperation is about and that the student does not have to pay anything extra and got a chance at a PAID job. Seriously if you do not know something or understand something read it or call the school and ask then you will know what it is before you create fiction.

PS. As you see above we do also have fresh and satisfied students like youngretired who visited the school like I advised him when he asked, and he chose that Goldwings suited his needs and he is satisfied. The school value every student feedback both those fully satisfied and those who did not like something as long as they tell what it was (for example performing more exercises to improve the students flying skills as in the previous case). Feedback gives room for improvement for everyone can always improve (except instructors will never be able to magically teach the student with no effort from the student, the student must do his/her own effort to learn and also believe the program with different exercises was made for a reason (mandatory from the CAA).).

But being bombed by mud throwing from "pseudonyms" who have never ever visited the school (but most probably represent an another school) or reading people who create fiction out of a FREE bonus chance for the students.... ? Seriously its funny how people do not know but still comment like if they knew.