Dear,
look carefully on the screenshots AGAIN AND AGAIN FLIGHTS WERE BEING CANCELLED WE ARE BOT TALKING ABOUT AVAILABILITY HERE. FLIGHTS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED MORE THAN TEN TIMES with lot of excuses THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!
IM not an isolated guy who have been scammed if you go up in this thread there are others who have the same version.

So stop denying and putting the problem on the others.
Instead fix your organisation and put some discipline on it. Maybe if you need I can ask my colleagues from the military to show you how to be disciplined and how to talk to people!

By the way I’m waiting your reply in private message this week I’ll find you wherever you are ;)

@Flyingsailor93: I have already replied to your PM, I can prove you that you never sent the mail to the correct address and once again as I said people like Instructors can book and cancel lessons but if the mail is not sent to the correct address I have no possibility to know about it. The other guy in the thread is claiming he completed the training but was unhappy about Captain Jesionek being his instructor and that he had to wait (it was before October 2022) for the UPRT aircraft. After October no one else than you have waited for UPRT training at least no one who sent mail to the correct address and who I do know about.

The only previous real student was unhappy with the Instructor trying to learn her how to fly and got a reply from the Instructor. No one else for 1000s of trained students as you can see......

You have a serious situational awareness and a serious understanding abilities as an “investor” .
The UPRT training I have been charged 1600€ proof (by the way till the end of this day if you don’t give me back my money I’ll seize a prosecutor and the Polish Authorities).

Last, it’s not my problem the other guy you made pass as being a fake account and a “flight school” competing with goldwings.
im pointing out the way you are conducting you UPRT training! And as I told you I didn’t only use one email to communicate with the school.
it’s called redundancy. I called you too by the way should teach Bartek to listen and be polite on the phone. (Oh do you want a record wait I’ll provide you one yeah I’m a person of proof) Again in the military there is some drill to teach people how to behave with integrity and honesty. And TAKE RESPONSIBILITY instead of blaming a shadow enemy.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e583c6d31.jpeg

@Flyingsailor93: I have no idea what the administration have done and why, but the only place I can monitor and where you should send your availability you have not sent it and information about it is in flightlogger. I will contact the other people to explain this stuff because its totally pointless to not schedule one person when everyone else is performing the training. The other guy did too perform it looks like just was unhappy with times BEFORE October 2022 and that his instructor was Captain Jesionek. Also that other person failed to send the mail to the proper address to get scheduled with the regular Instructors.

Just reminding that there are over 1000 students who completed the full training at Goldwings and 200 UPRT students who completed only the UPRT.... only one person did not get the training so there must be some reason to it and someone will for sure explain it.

PS. I just called the school and recieved the reply from the person you were dealing with. So 1. they say you got the theory course for UPRT and JOC. 2. The cancellations were due to weather. 3. You got your practical flight and it was supposed to be with Captain Jesionek. BUT before the flight with spin recovery lesson in it you were unable to answer the instructor how you are going to recover from the spin. So the instructor told you that you have to know this before you can fly since its pointless if you do not even know in theory how to recover from spin. Then they say that you felt offended with the feedback that you do not know your theory and refused to continue the training with the school.

So there you can see everyone it was a reason behind it I just had no idea about this students existence and why he did not get his training.

Flyingsailor93 your posts have been allowed to date but if you persist with your bad language and aggressive tone, this thread will be closed.

My bad.

Spin recovery in basic trainers isn't rocket science. Chair fly PARE a few times and you're good to go (with FI). Can understand that someone would get frustrated if a hard to schedule flight would get cancelled over this.

Your cancellation due to weather during 3 months??
I remind you that there have been even week in Warsaw where it was CAVOK weather was ok you were flying. It’s really a pity o can’t upload a voice record here by the end of the day I’ll manage to and you will see that I did refuse to fly that day because I called you asking to cancel then you offered me a flight in precipitation without briefing.

You don’t do a briefing on a car on the way to the plane.

what I said was it was not professional to do it this way. I’m here for a training not a discovery flight once again this you unprofessional behaviour I’m pointing. But please patience I’ll manage to upload this record and it was not Jesionek it was Bartek for your information.

use Vocaroo

https://we.tl/t-5046nYBV67

Dont worry everybody will be served… ;)
Proof of what I said since the beginning are here so now I’ll let the costumers judge.

Goldwings Flight academy Unprofessionalism Proof
 

https://voca.ro/11uyhtRh4dMV

who in the world wants to do a UPRT training about spins and do a briefing IN A CAR??

Yes I’m a student not a top gun and I was here to LEARN ABOUT SPINS!!!

To precise this was the 17th of January when I called them to cancel my training with them due to 3 months cancellation and more and more excuses.

Goldwings unprofessionalism proof record part 2
 

https://voca.ro/16TlHrbMIJDA

Here is one of the thousands of call I have maid to have a 2 day training! It was the last Calll since I asked for reimbursement and cancel the training with them. Once again Bartek is always on the phone but we’re silent because he knew they didn’t do their job.

This is again another proof that the costumer can judge by itself. Do you want more so we can continue underlining the bad treatment you do on your students? If the UPRT training a 2 day training is like this I can’t imagine doing the CPL IR ME with you guys.

For me this is the last message on this thread I have some things to do. But don’t worry I’ll be sure that these proof goes everywhere and up to date.By the way I’m waiting for my reimbursement otherwise I’ll seize a prosecutor as simple as is it.

Recording just shows bad attitude from both sides

Bad attitude there is no bad attitude here if you see I have been WAAAAY more calm than Bartek Shouting at people ;) .

And recording are not showing bad attitude recording are proof of YOUR unprofessional behaviour. By the way Bartek did you got a new pseudo mate? :)

Again let me resume you have passed from “You are a school who wants to mud throwing “
to “I don’t have any idea of who you are” to “Oh you are a bad student who doesn’t know about spin” to “recording is showing bad attitude on other sides” be coherent please.

Since the beginning I did what I said and said what I did with proof. What did you bring here certainly a non constructive argument instead it’s denying denying and denying and denying.

let me give you a commercial advice: Acountability.

you have to take into account what costumers says. Not trying to discredit the costumer.
Even with proof in front of you you will continue denying.

Goldwings unprofessional
 

At the end of the day you are the one who loses costumers. And I’m telling you I assure you that the behaviour at Goldwings will be known in the aviation sphere and I’m the military sphere in Spain and in France.
As we say in the Navy

Fair winds, and following seas ;)

Sure mate. Sounds like you're an integral part of the problem. goodluck

The difference between you and me is I assume “my problems” and there is no problem here( The simple task is getting refunded and it’s all. ). The difference between you and me is I do take responsibility and integrity and honesty words that Goldwings don’t know in it’s vocabulary ;)

Watchout for goldwings
 

Last why goldwings doesn’t make training contract for the UPRT training? ;)

The response is up.

Hahaha are you reflecting your own personal issues here? Mate we are talking about your school… by the you should advise Bartek that too ;)
I’ll add you this.

https://www.verywellmind.com/is-someone-gaslighting-you-4147470

the only way to tackle people like you is stop replying. So I’m going to stop replying good luck with your scamming issues. ;) auf Wiedersehen;) as the German say ;)

There is nothing to talk about someone’s attitude if he is paying for training and instructor doesn’t even know his name. That’s shame.

Are you always this butthurt?

@Flyingsailor93: First of all recording someone without informing that you are going to do it is against the Polish law but that is not my problem its yours and Captain Jesionek problem. And yes Bartek is Captain Jesionek first name.

Furthermore its just "epic" to hear you did not even wish to take part in refueling the aircraft, maybe preflight check is also something Instructor should do because the student does not need to know how to preflight check the aircraft?

1. The cancellations as we can see on your e-mails to the wrong address happened back in November you have the dates its no problem to check awiacja.imgw what weather it was those days and what kind of ceiling. Just remember for the spin training its not enough that the ceiling is BKN018 that is ok for a traffic pattern on EPBC since a spin to be safe have to be performed at high altitude. Hopefully you know it from theory and did not expect low altitude spin. Precipitation is not making VFR flights impossible, low visibility and ceiling is.

2. You were not having a briefing in the car (it was supposed to be performed before the preflight check) and you omitted the part where you got questions about how you go out of a spin. How do anyone think a lesson is going to go in practice if the student does not learn his memory items for spin recovery. When the aircraft is in a spin its no time to take out the checklist and read what should I do now, you must know what to do in theory from the theory lessons..... You are in the practical lesson flying to learn how to perform it manually but you have to know the theory and memory items before its any point to perform the practical lesson.

3. The user hamburgerboy have nothing to do with me or the flightschool I guess. Its just some other pprune user.

@hamburgerboy: You said: "Spin recovery in basic trainers isn't rocket science. Chair fly PARE a few times and you're good to go (with FI). Can understand that someone would get frustrated if a hard to schedule flight would get cancelled over this."

Well the point is that if someone does not know by memory the emergency procedure to recover a spin how on earth is the person supposed to perform it practically in the aircraft if the person have not memorized the procedure. Actually at Goldwings no one is allowed to fly solo traffic pattern without being able to tell spin and stall recovery procedures from memory. Not to even mention PIC flight. This is PPL(A) stuff and its kind of "wtf" when a person with CPL(A) comes and do not know how to recover from a spin. This person would be dead if some accidental spin happened to him.........

At Goldwings students do fly solo without Instructor and people do fly PIC alone not safety pilot for every flight like in many other flight schools. There is a reason for it its called students are required to do minimum effort, people who do not really wish to learn to fly please choose another school where you get quick license only. I can just imagine those people going a for a typerating and telling the TRI its no problem they do not remember the memory items before the flight cause they gonna learn it in the 737 while doing traffic patterns :E

I know a guy who spent 2 years on that, e.g. full course CPL ME IR, with the mentioned above "academy"
And another one who spent a month on MEP, 1 f****ng month on a training, which consists of 6 hours!!!
Once again, to warn everyone, consider twice or even more times before you apply to this "flight academy", unless you are from Poland and have the same xenophobic, careless, impolite and arrogant attitude to people like it is done in goldwings, then maybe you will feel great in this kind of environment.

Goldwings Flight Academy-AVOID at all costs.
 

I am not the type of person to write reviews about every negative experience I encounter, but I had to make an exception for this so-called "ATO' Simply put, stay far far far away from this school because they will not fulfill your needs. First of all, Bartek Jesionek (who somehow holds the title of Head of Training), runs the flight school like a dictator. The man is verbally abusive to students who voice their concerns and is very manipulative. Zero class, arrogant, conceded, and got fired from an air carrier so I've heard. Second of all, the school does not prepare any kind of written contract for your flight training which is a major red flag on its own; they have a reason for this that benefits their shady interests. Third of all, and probably the worst thing of them all, you will pay, and then be grounded for a very long, unknown period of time, completely unrelated to weather reasons. They simply lie about aircraft availability, giving you false timelines about "maintenance" updates, and students suffer waiting for many months, unable to complete their multi-rating because of a lack of aircraft availability. They possess only one multi-engine aircraft (SP-WFA). Business ethics and customer service are virtually nonexistent. I could not sound the alarm any louder, this is literally the worst scam I've ever encountered and you seriously can't make this stuff up. You pay lots of money upfront, fly a few hours, and then you're done. You will blindly wait many many weeks, asking for updates, calling them, emailing them not getting a single response, and getting nowhere while your friends at other schools are completing all their training in a matter of weeks when the weather is fine.

In conclusion, this is a gangster school, and I strongly discourage anyone from even considering this circus show. This is a perfect example of how you can get yourself into serious trouble when you don't do your research and due diligence when choosing a flight school. Please, learn from my mistakes so that you don't make them. I strongly advise everyone when choosing a flight school to do the following things:

1. Make sure the ATO signs a contract with you before any bank transfers are made (Contracts are industry standard in flight training and legitimate, reputable schools will always prepare one to protect you and themselves from liability).
2. Always do your research and talk to current and former students of the schools you are looking into, and get their honest opinions and reviews. I cannot stress how extremely important this step is.
3. Read forums such as this one, but be very careful about particular users who go above and beyond to defend a certain school that is met with negative reviews. In most cases, they are employees or owners hiding behind fake accounts, denying any criticism to defend their company's image. (Yes, I'm talking about you Bartek aka "Gruby" )
4. Do not get fooled by very attractive prices( that's how they get you)
3. Anywhere but Goldwings (their enterprise name is "Aviation Atsm Sp. z o.o. S.K.A." which is the real legal name of the school registered with the civil aviation authority in Poland)

If you got this far to the end, thank you for reading my post, and I hope this was helpful.


Yours Truly,

Just another guy who got scammed by Goldwings